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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: applesmasher420] * 1
    #25132330 - 04/12/18 03:18 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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Im gonna be doing some controlled outdoor breeding this year too.




I'm sorry but "outdoor" and "breeding" don't belong in the same sentence, let alone controlled.

For doing any kind of serious breeding (and not seeding your whole crop) you'd need at the very least a dedicated air-sealed room where you flower your males and collect pollen in. Preferably with a second small room where you can change clothes when going out of it to prevent carrying pollen on you.

You could bring your males in and do it the ghetto way, but that means there is no selection of the males taking place and is basically just pollen chucking rather than actual breeding.

Here are some vids that might help, the 1st one shows how Subcool from TGA Seeds does it and keeps his males.







Also this playlist where Kevin Jodrey interviews many of the best breeders from Humboldt/Mendocino/NorCal, great insight into their selection process:
2017 Seed Series: Meet The Breeders: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLUI_g75VibO9vJTb--Wd8bHQQ1MTQzT4E


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: applesmasher420]
    #25133452 - 04/12/18 03:06 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

I have done quite a bit of home breeding too (see my trade list for the crosses I do), but I hardly consider that breeding given that neither of us sow thousands of seeds to select a male  and a female, nor do we keep clones of those for backcrossing and squaring to stabilize whichever trait or pheno you're going for.

Most actual breeders will keep their prized males alive for decades and will never share a cut of their best male with other breeders.

My point is not that breeding outdoors is gonna ruin your harvest, it's that making an F1 generation by just chucking pollen from whichever plant you got and seeing what comes out is not breeding. You're not breeding for a particular trait or characteristic, only for seeds.

Also by leaving the male around, even at the other side of your garden, you're not entirely sure every seed is the cross you intended. Pollen can easily travel several miles.

The only "breeding" I've done outdoor was just reversing some branches with colloidal silver to make fem seeds. That way I can mark the branches I treat, and once the sacks are close to opening (a couple days) I put a plastic bag around the branch and cut it once they start opening to collect the pollen, that ensure no pollen goes flying anywhere on my plants or any random grower's in the vicinity.

Don't take this the wrong way, not knocking what you're doing. It's just that I have a lot of respect for the work good breeders put in and I think we shouldn't get it mistaken. Without these people putting in the actual effort of going the Mendelian way about it we would not enjoy the quality of cannabis we have today.

Genetics are 90% of the job imo, give the best grower crappy genetics and he will get crappy results. On the other hand, give the worst grower good genetics and he's bound to get something decent.


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Lipa Kreepa] * 1
    #25239663 - 05/31/18 04:31 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)

I think most of the discussion is done on social medias now that it's more accepted and people in the US don't need/want to be anonymous anymore.

It's a shame really because the info is kinda lost and not centralized & searchable properly.
Youtube used to be a great place for cannabis culture but they've closed most of the good channels recently...

Got a nice little mutation on a plant this round where a node shoots 4 leaves instead of 2, and some leaves sprout growing tips on their stems which seems to be an almost stabilized trait on this strain (HSO Mango Sapphire). Will snap a pic and show y'all what I'm talking about.


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Humble Newcomer] * 1
    #25240294 - 05/31/18 10:52 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Nice setup man, looks like they're off to a good start :thumbup:

Here are a couple of (bad) pics of the mutation I was talking about, after taking a better look I think I might have a polyploid on my hands, the stem is flat and stacked with nodes coming out at sort of random places.

Here you can see one node that pushed 4 leaves instead of 2:


Another one:


Notice the flatness of the stem and the arrangement of the nodes, leaves & branches:


What's weird is it's just this branch which is actually a lower one (2 nodes up the stem) that looks like that. I think I'm gonna take a few cuttings from that baby, I have a good feeling about it.

And my canopy so far, fairly even except for the taller one at the back & right which is a cross I did last round using colloidal silver to reverse a branch of Green Crack. It's Mango Sapphire x Green Crack.
The rest are Mango Sapphire, Bubba Kush, Black D.O.G, homemade selfed Master Kush & selfed Ewe-2.


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Humble Newcomer] * 1
    #25243680 - 06/01/18 11:45 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

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And some people heavy feed and seeems like they stop feeding around week 6 of flower and let the fan leaves all yellow out and die and "flush" the plant. 

But with what i'm learning, that's literally starving your plant and its a heavy nitrogen deficiency (yellowing leaves, starting at bottom, because the top leaves have more access to light and nitrogen is prioritized there to keep the top green and photosyntheticly active)

The way many forums word it is "your girls are using up thier food storages and burning off the last bit of heavy ferts and its totally normal" but in reality, they are starving their girls to the point the leaves fall out.

It makes much more sense to me to back off on feeding to almost nothing, but continually give, i dunno 400-800ppm every other watering?




Plants yellowing at the end is a completely natural proceas, it's called senescence. Cannabis that grows in the wild will experience that as well, as will cannabis grown in no-till with no flushing at the end.

Feeding water soluble, bottled nutrients is what's unnatural, and giving it nitrogen at the end would be silly and result in more harm than good (foxtailing, lack of denseness, etc...).

Many new growers try to feed as much as they can thinking they'll get a better harvest but more often than not they end-up with burned tips, stretchy plants and awful tasting smoke.

Flushing is a must if you feed bottled nutes, makes for a much cleaner, healthier and tastier smoke.


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: El Torcho] * 1
    #25243917 - 06/02/18 06:05 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Look up no-till gardening, basically you make a good healthy soil mix, grow cover crops such as crimson clover, mustard, alfalfa and continually mulch them over. You feed enzymes in the form of seed-sprout teas and make sure the soil never fully dries out. Add some earth worms too.

Within a couple cycles your soil will be full of life, teeming with mycelium, beneficial bacteria, microbes, worms and decomposing bugs.

All of that will take care of breaking down all the organic matter in the soil and make it directly available to your plants, which will tap into those nutrients as it needs. Think about it, the soil composition doesn't change from nitrogen rich to PK rich suddenly when plants start flowering in the wild. Never worry about PH, never have to buy new soil, and the only bottled thing you might wanna add is fulvic & humic acid.

I wish BrownGuy420's channel was still up so you could see how a commercial operation with 4 huge greenhouses and a large outdoor field performs using this style of growing. It performs outstanding, tests very clean obviously and tastes heavenly.

Here's one of the few vids left from the wealth of knowledge this guy put up on youtube :frown:


And one of the best threads on the subject: https://forum.grasscity.com/threads/no-till-gardening.1299862/


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: pur3bind] * 1
    #25248761 - 06/04/18 06:39 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

That depends on the size of pots you're gonna be using, and how much do they say to use per liter on the bottle. You can (and probably should) usually go a bit lower than what they recommend,
I think one bottle should be enough for 5 plants, you'll probably have some of the veg nutes left even.


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Lophosaurus]
    #25262009 - 06/11/18 05:16 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

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I think it is because I got the clones on an impulse and didn't have a light timer so they were on 24/7 for a month. Then I moved them outside in the beginning of May so there was a big change in light schedule so it was probably that and/or shock.

I'm not sure if they would try to veg again before flowering is done because they are getting used to living in the sun. I haven't been shading them at 12hrs so they are flowering while the days are still getting longer



That's very likely that this is what caused them to start flowering, and it's also more than likely that they will reveg imo.
Not necessarily a bad thing if the timing is right though, unintentional monstercropping ftw :smile:


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Humble Newcomer]
    #25263717 - 06/12/18 02:43 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Genetics can play a role too with purple stems, anyone who's grown DJ Short's Blueberry knows that.
But it's more of a striped purple than calmag ime.

@Humble I believe you're talking about the Volcano (the one with bags), if so do not believe you're gonna pass the bags around, there's hardly 4 or 5 draws in a 2 feet bag. You have to constantly refill it. The bowl is pretty big too, so it's not economical.

I also tried to switch to vaping a while back, I have a Mighty by the same company as the volcano. And while it's good I think I just eon't like vaping. The taste is great on the first couple hits but afterwards it's awful. It seems the effect is shorter too and I went through more herb as well. Cleaning it ain't fun either. I'm back to joints...


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Humble Newcomer]
    #25265581 - 06/13/18 12:29 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

The thing with GG#4, Skittles, and many other strains held in high regards is that they are clone only strains. In the case of Gorilla Glue it was only available privately if you knew the right people for like the first year or so, which really helps the hype.

Whether selfed seeds or crosses retain the high potency remains to be seen, and as you said light intensity and overall growing conditions are the main factor.

Also, I wouldn't rely on High Times cup winners, these cups are well known to be rigged and just given to the highest paying breeder. Hence all the subpar cup winners from Arjan/Greenhouse Seeds, Sensi Seeds etc...


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Lophosaurus]
    #25265634 - 06/13/18 12:50 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

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I wonder if anybody tries to find cannabis in the wild and mix them with other strains to get different effects whether it be growing or the amount of active chemicals. I would like to find some wild strains to experiment with.



Some breeders do indeed work with wild landraces, one example is Ace Seeds out of Spain. Haven't been too convinced with the one strain I grew from them though, the Violeta.

If you think about it, current strains obviously come from wild landraces at the beginning in the 60's.
Hippies would travel to Nepal, India, Afghanistan, Jamaica and bring seeds back. Soldiers would go to Vietnam and bring seeds back. With the Gulf War & Iraq too.

Cannabis is so good today because so many people have been breeding all these wild strains from around the world for over 50 years, and then breeding what others bred and so on. Starting back from scratch is sort of counter productive imo.

Check-out Strain Hunters on youtube, cool documentaries.


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: pur3bind]
    #25281353 - 06/20/18 04:00 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

I would leave them in the ground, you'll get the same pests in pot and you'd risk damaging the roots while digging them up.

On the other hand I think your spacing is a bit tight, they might be a little cramped by the end of the season when they're big in-ground monsters.

Looks like probably week 3. They look slightly pale to me, they could use a bit of food. If you have some horse manure I would top-dress the soil around the plants with some and water it in, or mix some in a watering can and use that to water them. If you have veg nutrients you can use that as well, anything rich in nitrogen.

Your soil mix sounds great. Best of luck.


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Lipa Kreepa] * 1
    #25282576 - 06/21/18 06:07 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Healthy roots :smile:


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Lipa Kreepa]
    #25283525 - 06/21/18 02:52 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

They're Mango Sapphire (Bubba's Gift x (OG Kush x Afghan)) from HSO, been a favourite of mine ever since I first grew it like 4 years ago maybe. It is seriously tasty as fuck, super loud with exotic terps. Not really mango though, more like earthy coconut type of taste.
Very indica-dominant which I like, it makes super sturdy branches I've never had to stake or trellis it it just holds its own weight like a champ.

The particular plant I took these cuttings from seems to have some sort of polyploid mutation going on with one of the branches, would love to see some crested buds.


I'll take better pics in natural light.


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Humble Newcomer] * 1
    #25284544 - 06/22/18 03:55 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Here are better pics of the mutant Mango Sapphire branch & plant:
 

Note that I haven't topped this plant at all, only pinched the main stem until it cracks at every new node. I've been using this technique for a few years,  it really helps bush out a plant.


Good thing I took it out of the tent to take pics looks like it has a bit of mag deficiency I didn't catch under the leds.


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: MoonFarmer] * 2
    #25287207 - 06/23/18 12:05 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

To avoid the green hay smell all you need to do is not trim your buds wet.
Basically, remove all the fan leaves a couple days before harvest. Then just cut the branches and hang to dry, once dry do your dry trimming.

The scientific reason for the hay smell are GLV's (Green Leaf Volatiles).
They're a variety of compounds with that green smell (alcohols, aldehydes and fatty acid esters) that plants release when their leaves are cut or eaten by bugs in order to either repel the bugs, warn surrounding plants of an attack, or help tissue heal faster depending on the GLV.

That's why I recommend to remove all fan leaves a couple days before harvest, it gives the plant time to heal and stop producing those compounds. And dry trimming because obviously the plant won't release those once it's dry and dead. But it definitely does when wet trimming.

If you don't believe me do a side by side, wet trim one branch and dry trim a similar branch, you'll see the difference in taste & smell is tremendous.

A lot less trichome loss when dry trimming too, no gummy scissors and you can trim over a screen and have a nice bit of dry sift to enjoy as a reward for your trimming work.


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Lipa Kreepa] * 1
    #25287459 - 06/23/18 02:19 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Like I said it's the act itself of cutting the plant that makes it produce this smell. Generally if you just cut the branches and hang it's not noticeable but as soon as you start pulling leaves while the plant is fresh you're fucked.


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Ran-D] * 1
    #25289340 - 06/24/18 01:53 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

I'd say it's probably overkill. It is expensive, somewhat dangerous and definitely not the ecologically minded thing to do.
I mean in the long run for the same price you can setup a 2nd tent and get much more weight than the co2 would add.


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: El Torcho]
    #25290379 - 06/25/18 05:15 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)

Any of you guys followed the recent developments of the Rosin tek and tried making solventless crystalline THCA?

If you haven't, basically you can press buddered rosin at low temp & low pressure to squeeze out the terps and be left with relatively pure THCA in white crystalline powder form.

The logic seems pretty spot on to me, basically ghetto column chromatography if you think about it. The filter bag is the silica gel and the terp fraction melts at a lower point and travels through filter while the THCA stays inside the bag.

I'm gonna be trying this very soon, would be interested to hear other people's experiences.

Here's a video showing the process and end product:


And a good reddit thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/CannabisExtracts/comments/7qg4ys/how_does_solventless_rosin_diamonds_work/


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Re: Cannabis Growers [Re: Ran-D]
    #25290624 - 06/25/18 09:15 AM (5 years, 7 months ago)

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Call me old fashioned, but I prefer old school hashish to all this isolated stuff. I don't want pure THC, I want full spectrum.

Just preference though...



I agree too, it's just for the novelty kinda. But isolates aren't available in my country, I'd like to at least give it a go once.
Although it has its place I guess, for people who need high levels of thc and cant'/don't want to inhale any carcinogens.


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