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Is this shoe box done colonizing?
#25126131 - 04/09/18 03:35 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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I spawned this like 5 days ago. Is it ready to fruit? If so, should I be misting? Also do I need to case this? It is coir/verm.

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I doubt it is done, when it is it will start forming knots all on its own. No need to mist, open, or case.
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Re: Is this shoe box done colonizing? [Re: Failboat]
#25126201 - 04/09/18 04:07 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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All right, thanks for the response. I wont be opening or caseing then, but when I start noticing knots/pins should i give it some misting or jut leave it alone entirely?
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Leave it alone entirely. If it was at field capacity then it won't need more qater, and over misting can ruin the surface conditions and cause matting which will be no bueno
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Re: Is this shoe box done colonizing? [Re: Failboat]
#25126827 - 04/09/18 07:49 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Alright thanks very much. i might post some progress updates here if i have any more questions.
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Yayyyy! Don't trust midgets doin shoeboxes!! Good luck, please post updates!!
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Re: Is this shoe box done colonizing? [Re: Failboat]
#25127300 - 04/10/18 12:00 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quirkmeister92 said: Leave it alone entirely. If it was at field capacity then it won't need more qater, and over misting can ruin the surface conditions and cause matting which will be no bueno
For some reason this hasn't been the case with me, and I know my sub was definitely at field capacity because I made a post to check it. (This Post). My room stays around 31-35% humidity too so it's not crazy dry I dont think.
I opened them up around day 9-10 and they were definitely fully colonized, but had no beads of water on the surface. So for the past few days I've been misting every time I don't see droplets (2-3 times a day) and my pinset is coming in nicely. Now that the pins are in I'm noticing that I'm needing to mist much less because the beads of water stay there a lot longer now.
I guess it just depends on your environment. Personally I think if there's no droplets, even if it hasn't knotted or anything yet, you should mist to keep up surface conditions.
Here's a tub I've been misting since about day 9. It's on day 14 in the pictures. In the last picture you can kinda see how I've been keeping my surface conditions.
  
I still have a few side pins too so I feel like I could have maybe even misted a little more 
This quote from munchauzen is why I decided it was alright to mist:
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Munchauzen said: Misting is for keeping the surface conditions perfect in a shoebox. Without misting, you will be hard pressed to keep them correct without the aid of a greenhouse. Even in a monotub, they still need misting. Misting, however, will not replenish the extensive amount of water lost from the fruits that have grown. After harvesting, you need to dunk your substrate to force the mycelium cells to hydrate again. This is accomplished by weighing down your substrate and covering it with as much water as possible, preferably in a large sink.
Personally I'd at least pop it open to check if there's moisture on the surface, or try to look through the side of the tub or something.
Edited by flyhighfunguy (04/10/18 12:25 AM)
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Re: Is this shoe box done colonizing? [Re: flyhighfunguy]
#25127653 - 04/10/18 07:01 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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I will have to experiment then, i may have been misting with windex tainted water so my experience is questionable
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Re: Is this shoe box done colonizing? [Re: flyhighfunguy]
#25127742 - 04/10/18 07:56 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Alright thanks for your input. In your shoe boxes do you do a caseing layer if its CVG substrate? I have not yet opened my shoebox, but just by looking in the sides I can see there is no water droplets on the surface of the sub. There is however, a lot of condensation on the sides of the tub. I plan on opening it up in about 3 or 4 days to get a look at it. I think it is very close to 100% colonization. I am just at loss for what to do when it reaches the fruiting stage.
I will post picture updates in a couple days or if I notice anything happening.
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Edited by dont trust midgets (04/10/18 07:58 AM)
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When I do my shoebox's I leave some coir unmixed for a top layer. Just add a layer of the pure coir mix on top, enough to cover the spawn and coir mixed in the tub. Seems to work well.
Usually I see full colon ization in the 1-2 week range. I personally usually leave the lids on until I see pins, then once I see a nice pinset and mush growing I pop the lid, mist, and dub. 1 week later or so for mushies to harvest.
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dont trust midgets said: Alright thanks for your input. In your shoe boxes do you do a caseing layer if its CVG substrate? I have not yet opened my shoebox, but just by looking in the sides I can see there is no water droplets on the surface of the sub. There is however, a lot of condensation on the sides of the tub. I plan on opening it up in about 3 or 4 days to get a look at it. I think it is very close to 100% colonization. I am just at loss for what to do when it reaches the fruiting stage.
I will post picture updates in a couple days or if I notice anything happening.
No problem. Yea when I spawn I add a very thin top layer of the cvg. Just enough to cover all exposed substrate/spawn mix.
I've seen people say that they can leave their shoeboxes closed all the way until they see pins, like Enkidu said above me, but I feel like it must be that their environment is different or their sub is wetter or something. Somehow some people have a glistening surface without misting but I know I definitely didn't. Personally if you can tell that your surface isn't glistening I would open it up at 100% and start misting. I mist just until there is a small layer of beads ontop and then stop, you can see in the last pic I posted in my first comment. Then when you can tell that the water has pretty much completely evaporated from the last misting, mist again. Once your pins start coming in you'll notice that you can mist way less.
Also, don't quote me on this cause I've never actually seen it anywhere, but in some of my shoeboxes the 2 Short sides of the tub seem to dry out much quicker than the middle. So sometimes I'll just aim my mister at the sides of the surface and try not to get so much in the middle.my tubs are really level too so it must just be the way the airflow is in the box. Like I said I've never seen anyone else do this but it seems to be working well for me.
Edited by flyhighfunguy (04/10/18 09:16 AM)
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Re: Is this shoe box done colonizing? [Re: flyhighfunguy]
#25127893 - 04/10/18 09:17 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: Is this shoe box done colonizing? [Re: Enkidu]
#25128195 - 04/10/18 11:33 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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It's been almost a week since i spawned this ( a week will be on the 12th). I guess I will wait until this weekend then post some picture updates here to get some more opinions.
Also, do you guys add the casing layer after 100% colonization? Or do you do it as you are spawning the tub, like before the box has even started colonizing?
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dont trust midgets said: It's been almost a week since i spawned this ( a week will be on the 12th). I guess I will wait until this weekend then post some picture updates here to get some more opinions.
Also, do you guys add the casing layer after 100% colonization? Or do you do it as you are spawning the tub, like before the box has even started colonizing?
I do it as I spawn the tub. Some people do it after its 100% tho. It's whatever works best for u
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Re: Is this shoe box done colonizing? [Re: flyhighfunguy]
#25128644 - 04/10/18 02:36 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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I dont use a casing layer I use a top layer. Which I apply at spawn.
Also its been a while since I have done shoebox's and I made a mistake...
I realized today upon popping my lids and looking with sub at full colonization, what I in fact do is wait for full colonization of top layer, then I open and mist and flip the lid, then I wait for my pinset and fruits, then dub...
Fuck...
I've been saying it wrong for like 2 weeks now and telling other people how I do my box's forgetting the step of flipping the lid and misting, as opposed to waiting and misting at dub and never flipping lid....
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Re: Is this shoe box done colonizing? [Re: Enkidu]
#25128778 - 04/10/18 03:23 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Alright cool I will do a thin layer of CVG on top of the sub in a couple days most likely. Once the new layer is done I will go ahead and start misting I guess.
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So I opened up my shoebox today, gave a light misting, and this is what it looks like. What do you think, does is look alright? After re-reading the tek, I realized that I forgot my top layer of cvg entirely. Is this going to mess with my grow?


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Looks good to me bro. I'm not sure how much the top layer will impact growth or not, I've always used one at spawn.
Looks good though
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Re: Is this shoe box done colonizing? [Re: Enkidu]
#25133917 - 04/12/18 07:05 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah i should have done a top leyer, but i got carried away and forgot it completely. Glad it is looking alright though. I will post some updates when I start seeing some pins.
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Looking at what I have growing right meow a top layer is incredibly beneficial
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