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Re: Feds raid the office of Trump's personal lawyer [Re: qman]
    #25126248 - 04/09/18 04:32 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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Could be stormy daniels, although this kind of raid would not be approved for FEC violations. Apparently tax documents were seized in multiple locations. One thing to consider is that if evidence of money laundering by trump arose, this is the kind of action one might expect to see.

Everyone from fox to MSNBC seems to agree that this kind of raid (on a law office) would not be approved unless potentially serious crimes were supported by very significant evidence.

What seems to be clear is this doesn't have anything to do with Russia, but the evidence of the crimes were discovered during the Russian investIgation.

Trump is in trouble.




No, Mueller is in trouble, he's overstepping here. Trump can now fire his ass in the clear.




How, he passed all this off to the Southern Dist of NY Feds


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Re: Feds raid the office of Trump's personal lawyer [Re: sweeper54]
    #25126257 - 04/09/18 04:36 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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qman said:
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Could be stormy daniels, although this kind of raid would not be approved for FEC violations. Apparently tax documents were seized in multiple locations. One thing to consider is that if evidence of money laundering by trump arose, this is the kind of action one might expect to see.

Everyone from fox to MSNBC seems to agree that this kind of raid (on a law office) would not be approved unless potentially serious crimes were supported by very significant evidence.

What seems to be clear is this doesn't have anything to do with Russia, but the evidence of the crimes were discovered during the Russian investIgation.

Trump is in trouble.




No, Mueller is in trouble, he's overstepping here. Trump can now fire his ass in the clear.




How, he passed all this off to the Southern Dist of NY Feds




He's losing the integrity of the investigation at this point, this was a big blunder by Mueller and the gang.

This gives Trump the legal and ethical reason to fire Mueller, and now he will have the public support to do it.


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Re: Feds raid the office of Trump's personal lawyer [Re: qman] * 2
    #25126264 - 04/09/18 04:42 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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He's losing the integrity of the investigation at this point, this was a big blunder by Mueller and the gang.

This gives Trump the legal and ethical reason to fire Mueller, and now he will have the public support to do it.




How? Did Fox tell you so? :lol:

I don't think we can really say at this point as we don't know what they found, and what evidence they had to get the raid approved by a judge...

If anything this is the result of a series of big blunders from Trump and Cohen.

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Re: Feds raid the office of Trump's personal lawyer [Re: qman] * 1
    #25126274 - 04/09/18 04:46 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

I think the first firing is going to be liddle jeffey Sessions, tonight. The look on liddle dick's face during his incoherent rant was beautiful. His arms crossed tightly in front of him, he was steaming as he babbled on. Hopefully the fucker just blows a gasket and the find him in a pile of shit in the morning.


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Re: Feds raid the office of Trump's personal lawyer [Re: musiclover420]
    #25126275 - 04/09/18 04:47 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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He's losing the integrity of the investigation at this point, this was a big blunder by Mueller and the gang.

This gives Trump the legal and ethical reason to fire Mueller, and now he will have the public support to do it.




How? Did Fox tell you so? :lol:

I don't think we can really say at this point as we don't know what they found, and what evidence they had to get the raid approved by a judge...

If anything this is the result of a series of big blunders from Trump and Cohen.




I just saw Trump interviewed on TV, the firing of Mueller came up and it sounds like it's likely to happen. Rosenstein would also go in my opinion.  Those guys blew it bigtime.


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Re: Feds raid the office of Trump's personal lawyer [Re: qman] * 2
    #25126280 - 04/09/18 04:50 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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qman said:
He's losing the integrity of the investigation at this point, this was a big blunder by Mueller and the gang.

This gives Trump the legal and ethical reason to fire Mueller, and now he will have the public support to do it.




How? Did Fox tell you so? :lol:

I don't think we can really say at this point as we don't know what they found, and what evidence they had to get the raid approved by a judge...

If anything this is the result of a series of big blunders from Trump and Cohen.




I just saw Trump interviewed on TV, the firing of Mueller came up and it sounds like it's likely to happen. Rosenstein would also go in my opinion.  Those guys blew it bigtime.




You still haven't explained the how or why though... What about this justifies firing mueller in any way?

Also Trump already tried firing Mueller so it's not like this is anything new.

I will start worrying when he fires sessions and rosenstien.

Also do you really still Take trumps words seriously? :rofldrunk: He constantly talks out his ass and backpedals, his word is worth nothing at this point :shrug:


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Re: Feds raid the office of Trump's personal lawyer [Re: musiclover420]
    #25126287 - 04/09/18 04:52 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Mueller has nothing and wants to get fired is also another potential reality, we'll see if Trump takes the bait.


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Re: Feds raid the office of Trump's personal lawyer [Re: qman] * 2
    #25126303 - 04/09/18 04:58 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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Mueller has nothing




According to who? I assume you have clearance for classified FBI intel then otherwise how would you know? :lol:

Also if he had nothing how did he get a no knock raid approved on not 1 but 3 locations simultaneously?

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and wants to get fired is also another potential reality, we'll see if Trump takes the bait.




Can I have some of what you're smoking? :crazy2:

Trump is the one who seems like he's trying to get fired :lol: He's hired all sorts of corrupt and incompetent people and made a ton of ridiculous statements...

Trump Said Probing His Finances Would Be A ‘Red Line.’

If trump is so innocent how come he's so worried about anyone looking into his finances?

:wellidunno:

Also didn't Trump say he would release his tax returns? Yet another unfulfilled promise. If he is so innocent maybe he should finally release all that info before the FBI dig it all up...


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Re: Feds raid the office of Trump's personal lawyer [Re: qman] * 4
    #25126315 - 04/09/18 05:05 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

qman a Republican investigator took evidence to a Republican appointed ADA who referred the case to a Republican appoint Federal Prosecutor in the Southern Dist of NY who took this evidence to a EDIT: ( Republican appointed) judge who said Kick the Fucking Door in on the Republican attorney of the President of the United States four days after said President told the press pool on Air Force 1 "You'll have to ask my attorney about that."

And the president blames the dems

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Re: Feds raid the office of Trump's personal lawyer [Re: sweeper54]
    #25126331 - 04/09/18 05:13 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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qman a Republican investigator took evidence to a Republican appointed ADA who referred the case to a Republican appoint Federal Prosecutor in the Southern Dist of NY who took this evidence to a judge who said Kick the Fucking Door in on the Republican attorney of the President of the United States four days after said President told the press pool on Air Force 1 "You'll have to ask my attorney about that."

And the president blames the dems

Brillant




Just a nothing burger witch hunt!

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Re: Feds raid the office of Trump's personal lawyer [Re: musiclover420]
    #25126363 - 04/09/18 05:25 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

I think this is a great opportunity for The President. He can finally prove his competence by firing all those useless lawyers and representing himself from now on. I'm sure he'll do a great job.


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Re: Feds raid the office of Trump's personal lawyer [Re: sweeper54] * 1
    #25126388 - 04/09/18 05:33 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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Mueller's has HAD trump's taxes for a long time. They also have the emails between Cohen and trump. This is not about the porn star NDA, this is something bigger and far more important.

Who is liddle dick going to fire tonight?




The emails are under attorney client privilege. You do realize that right? Unless it is about covering something up everything will be inadmissible and completely void. An intelligent person would assume a lawyer like Cohen would never compromise his client through emails even if his client did tell him to cover something up. It's a Hail Mary from your own 5 yard line, probability of success almost 0. If I were Trump I would at the very least appoint a second special counsel at this point. The bold move would be appoint a second and then fire Mueller.


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Re: Feds raid the office of Trump's personal lawyer [Re: musiclover420]
    #25126463 - 04/09/18 05:58 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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Mueller has nothing




According to who? I assume you have clearance for classified FBI intel then otherwise how would you know? :lol:

Also if he had nothing how did he get a no knock raid approved on not 1 but 3 locations simultaneously?

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and wants to get fired is also another potential reality, we'll see if Trump takes the bait.




Can I have some of what you're smoking? :crazy2:

Trump is the one who seems like he's trying to get fired :lol: He's hired all sorts of corrupt and incompetent people and made a ton of ridiculous statements...

Trump Said Probing His Finances Would Be A ‘Red Line.’

If trump is so innocent how come he's so worried about anyone looking into his finances?

:wellidunno:

Also didn't Trump say he would release his tax returns? Yet another unfulfilled promise. If he is so innocent maybe he should finally release all that info before the FBI dig it all up...




The investigation has lost its focus, it's a witch hunt gone bad for all to see. They blew it.


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Re: Feds raid the office of Trump's personal lawyer [Re: qman] * 1
    #25126491 - 04/09/18 06:10 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Whatever the investigation has lost in focus has been regained in scope. I don't think the president knows what a witch hunt really is anyway. It almost seems like the prez is a witch though, so I can see why people are confused; BY the presidents own accounts it does seem like that money must have made it's way to Stormy Daniels by black magic. Don't worry though. I'm sure the FBI will be able to prove he's not a witch sometime soon, hopefully close to midterms so people don't get the wrong idea.


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Re: Feds raid the office of Trump's personal lawyer [Re: qman] * 1
    #25126498 - 04/09/18 06:13 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

What a truly sad and divided time for our country.

I am all for persecution of criminals in Washington however I fear the true implications of this.

An investigation was opened with no crime committed, that investigation has no boundaries.

Obama allowed the Russian factor, and come on every government fucks with other countries elections.

The incestuous involvement of muller and his cronies is mind blowing.

I guess if you are ignorant and don’t care about law and only your personal vendetta towards someone you don’t like then this is good.

Think for a moment....Rubio...Cruz...Palin...doesn’t matter if they had won we would be listening to the same news.

Liberals are dishonest.

I can accept that the possibility trump is a criminal. However I find it more likely the swamp is attacking him from every angle.

I wonder how it would be if he ran as a democrat, as he had been registered his whole life.

I’m sad for liberals for being ignorant and acting like children, and I’m sad for conservatives for being bitches and not slapping those ignorant bitches back into their safe space.


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Re: Feds raid the office of Trump's personal lawyer [Re: Doalrite]
    #25126506 - 04/09/18 06:14 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

I should say the conservatives in Washington support this investigation and are all apart of the swamp.


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Re: Feds raid the office of Trump's personal lawyer [Re: LRG]
    #25126519 - 04/09/18 06:19 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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Mueller's has HAD trump's taxes for a long time. They also have the emails between Cohen and trump. This is not about the porn star NDA, this is something bigger and far more important.

Who is liddle dick going to fire tonight?




The emails are under attorney client privilege. You do realize that right? Unless it is about covering something up everything will be inadmissible and completely void. An intelligent person would assume a lawyer like Cohen would never compromise his client through emails even if his client did tell him to cover something up. It's a Hail Mary from your own 5 yard line, probability of success almost 0. If I were Trump I would at the very least appoint a second special counsel at this point. The bold move would be appoint a second and then fire Mueller.




Which makes it seem likely the FBI already had evidence that Cohen had been doing illegal things for trump, which would void the attorney client privilege.

Trump supporters better start sending their thoughts and prayers that he is innocent :grin:


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    #25126531 - 04/09/18 06:22 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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Mueller's has HAD trump's taxes for a long time. They also have the emails between Cohen and trump. This is not about the porn star NDA, this is something bigger and far more important.

Who is liddle dick going to fire tonight?




The emails are under attorney client privilege. You do realize that right? Unless it is about covering something up everything will be inadmissible and completely void. An intelligent person would assume a lawyer like Cohen would never compromise his client through emails even if his client did tell him to cover something up. It's a Hail Mary from your own 5 yard line, probability of success almost 0. If I were Trump I would at the very least appoint a second special counsel at this point. The bold move would be appoint a second and then fire Mueller.





Do YOU realize the if the attorney and the client are attempting to cover up a crime then A/C privilege doesn't apply?

There is a Special Team of independent investigators looking at the evidence to determine whether there is A/C P or it's cover up of a crime.


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Re: Feds raid the office of Trump's personal lawyer [Re: Doalrite] * 1
    #25126550 - 04/09/18 06:26 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Trump has never released his tax returns. He was the first presidential nominee in 40 years to not release his tax returns.

Obviously he has things to hide.

It was/is only a matter of time before they found/find something.

I don't know if this is going to be the thing that bites him in the ass or not, but it's definitely inevitable.

The guy is a notoriously sketchy.


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Re: Feds raid the office of Trump's personal lawyer [Re: sweeper54]
    #25126557 - 04/09/18 06:28 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Here's a SWEET point.

The Fed attorney in the Southern Dist of NY Geoffery Berman took the job after the firing of Preet Bharara used to work in Rudolph Giuliani's Law Firm


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