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How slowly do you read philosophical literature?
    #25076175 - 03/19/18 06:40 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

I don't know whether I am losing my ability to comprehend what I read as readily as I once did, or whether I am having a higher expectation of myself these days, but I am noticing of late that, in regard to philosophy at least, I am really needing to take the text paragraph by paragraph and even sentence by sentence in some cases. Now this seems obvious if the goal is to fully comprehend and assimilate the thought (and then to digest and internal or external reiterate).. I guess I just wanted some opinions on how this community deals with the 'conflict' of there being so much rich, though also dense, material to read and the necessity of reading it slowly and meticulously.

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Re: How slowly do you read philosophical literature? [Re: WScott]
    #25076328 - 03/19/18 07:54 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

I love reading good writing,
more than once is great, back and forth,
I get more each time,
it may only resemble the author's intended idea transfer, but I like it.


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Re: How slowly do you read philosophical literature? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #25076610 - 03/19/18 10:41 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

i read slowly and i read philosophy extremely :turtle:

i remember a tutor once said you should read philosophy at least twice, once to get the general picture and then again to make sure it all connects and you understand.. and that sometimes it can take 4 or more times re reading to get it..

as for what to read, idk i guess it depends what interests and where you're at(?).. overviews and histories and commentaries are probably good starting points before rather than going straight to any primary text (also advice from a tutor)


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Re: How slowly do you read philosophical literature? [Re: quinn]
    #25076920 - 03/20/18 05:00 AM (5 years, 11 months ago)

I thought you meant you should read all philosophy once and then again
I believe you should that


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Re: How slowly do you read philosophical literature? [Re: WScott] * 1
    #25076925 - 03/20/18 05:07 AM (5 years, 11 months ago)

When I was young, I used to be really excited to read anything that would offer me a new perspective on the world, so I would gobble philosophy and metaphysics books up.

Now that I'm older, everything is kind of a rerun, or a remix of stuff I've already read before. Very few can innovate in this area, in fact the most innovative books on the subject I've read were Drunvalo's books. But what I'm really sick of is superficial Western misinterpretations of Hindu, Buddhist, and Taoist philosophies, because those are everywhere, and they have been used to rationalize all kinds of first-world laziness, decadence, and superficiality.

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    #25077016 - 03/20/18 06:17 AM (5 years, 11 months ago)

maybe it's time to write a book on First World Taoist Lazinism.
you could be the leader of Newddhism!
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Re: T.E.T. [Re: redgreenvines]
    #25077567 - 03/20/18 12:00 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

I read quickly and usually miss the intended meaning the author tries to convey, often substituting my own. I've had to re read too many books since I realized this. :smile:


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Re: T.E.T. [Re: Blue Wrench]
    #25078796 - 03/20/18 08:35 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

I do free reading scans on any object text which is a rudimentry form of speed readihg.. other wise I can only pay attention when a text is very drawing. And mostly interesting as an on..

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Re: How slowly do you read philosophical literature? [Re: WScott]
    #25088509 - 03/24/18 11:41 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

I also read philosophy books very slowly, asked myself the same question a few months ago. I felt a little guilt almost, like I was worried maybe I'm just not picking up the message at an "average" pace (whatever that means). I heard a tedtalk about someone else's journey towards higher understanding, and something he said resonated with me. The actual phrase escapes me but it was along the lines of how many people "think they're pressed for time to learn, but there really is no rush" and "the more you understand, to more you realize there is no end to understanding".

I don't claim to know anything, I'm just a guy like you or anyone else, but this is how I view it. There probably is a "too slow", but short of brain damage or mental disability, It's probably just fine to take our time. I gain more from reading a few paragraphs every few days, observing and applying what I read (if it suits me) in my daily life, and reflecting on it than I probably would if I speed through a whole book without grasping every concept. All the best, and goodluck. Dont bite that doubt hook, no matter how real the bait looks.

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Re: How slowly do you read philosophical literature? [Re: WScott]
    #25103649 - 03/31/18 02:37 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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WScott said:
I don't know whether I am losing my ability to comprehend what I read as readily as I once did, or whether I am having a higher expectation of myself these days, but I am noticing of late that, in regard to philosophy at least, I am really needing to take the text paragraph by paragraph and even sentence by sentence in some cases. Now this seems obvious if the goal is to fully comprehend and assimilate the thought (and then to digest and internal or external reiterate).. I guess I just wanted some opinions on how this community deals with the 'conflict' of there being so much rich, though also dense, material to read and the necessity of reading it slowly and meticulously.

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Re: How slowly do you read philosophical literature? [Re: My Elysium Trips]
    #25108083 - 04/02/18 09:15 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Like a tree ent.

You can read things in a book and believe you understand it and then years later an experience which holds the lesson of what you read unfolds, and then you realize you didn't understand the words, their meaning is now different to you, but then in time that can change again...

We have only our own experience to use to judge and understand the message of the words, sometimes it's not enough ...

Only our limited skew of perception and thought which may not hold what the writers held.

Then again, no way to ever truly know if you received the intended message, or it was lost in translation and you received something else.

The only true way is direct experience of the lesson which is trying to be conveyed, and the personal revelation to the truth which it holds.

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    #25114988 - 04/05/18 02:32 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: How slowly do you read philosophical literature? [Re: AgarPilgrim]
    #25116567 - 04/05/18 06:10 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

I needed this

It can be DENSE

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Re: How slowly do you read philosophical literature? [Re: AgarPilgrim]
    #25116608 - 04/05/18 06:25 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

I don't read them slowly. I just think quite a bit and deeply about that which I am reading. In order to begin understanding how one can begin a path of philosophical ideas like that you have to do your best to put yourself in those shoes. You can read each sentence 27 times throughout the entire book and still not understand. My process is basically asking questions, with said philosophy in mind, until I don't have any answers and that's where I make my starting point. I've found most philosophies don't go beyond things that are, at least to me, self evident. 

Much of the dense and meticulous material is going to have tons of overlapping archetypal themes, so I would start there instead of torturing yourself.


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Re: How slowly do you read philosophical literature? [Re: LRG]
    #25124471 - 04/08/18 09:54 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

I can totally relate OP. I used to cruise through philosophical texts and books, but struggle through them these days. I usually can’t even get half before I give up these days.

I think some of it comes from me being out of the educations realm for years now. I used to read a lot of these books when I was still in college, but since leaving I don’t have as many relevant conversations. I think that has a lot to do with why I struggle through them now.


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Re: How slowly do you read philosophical literature? [Re: dodgem]
    #25124741 - 04/09/18 01:08 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Its so high to exist, i barely relate to the most common texts.. other than religious texts which I can apreciate..but only specific focused verses do I actually read..out of most books I read..

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