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Over 2 Weeks Not Pinning: Did I Mess Up?
    #25121642 - 04/07/18 07:19 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

Hi everyone.  Thank you for making this such an awesome resource.

I have grown three times from pre-made kits but this is my first PF Tek run.  I have been following the very detailed book Psilocybin Mushroom Bible  This was three jars of Hualta and three of Puerto Rico.  The mycelium took over six weeks to fully colonize and even then, two of the jars had some spots that hadn't been.  Since then I've made six more jars; three of Hawaiian and three of Penis Envy, growing in the same exact location and those fully colonized and even several pins, by one month exactly.

I dunked and rolled them nearly three weeks ago and what you see is what I have.  No pins, pretty much nothing different from when I rolled them. 

I have them in the shotgun terrarium next to the window which I keep open half the day.  Outdoor temperature ranges from low 50s to high 60s. I mostly kept them out of direct sunlight, although after a couple weeks of nothing, I did put the terrarium in direct sun several times.  I have been spraying daily.  At first was only several times a day but I have been spraying four or more times over the past week.  I have touched two and they do seem dry.

Wondering if I should dunk them again?  Ive read other posts of people waiting for several weeks, but havent read any that were as long as mine has been.

Does it happen that sometime mycelium just doesnt grow any pins or would that only happen if it was dead and be accompanied by a smell or visual rotting? (neither of which are present here). 

If pins dont appear, can I dry out the cakes and extract psilocybin from them as is discussed in the book?

Thank you in advance. 

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Re: Over 2 Weeks Not Pinning: Did I Mess Up? [Re: shroomad]
    #25121699 - 04/07/18 07:44 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

You need to cut that foil to the same size as the cakes. I’ve never grown PF tek cakes before but a couple of those don’t look so hot. Somebody else will chime in and help you, but you definitely need to have the foil cut down to size.


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Re: Over 2 Weeks Not Pinning: Did I Mess Up? [Re: Cybin_man]
    #25122270 - 04/08/18 01:41 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

Ah, I did not realize that the size was important.  I had been under the assumption the foil was just there to help the cakes stand upright on the perlite and the shrooms to not grow down into the perlite.  Sounds like I was wrong, what is the foil's purpose?


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Re: Over 2 Weeks Not Pinning: Did I Mess Up? [Re: shroomad]
    #25122506 - 04/08/18 07:28 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

A properly built sgfc provides its own fresh air 24/7 automatically.

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Re: Over 2 Weeks Not Pinning: Did I Mess Up? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #25122549 - 04/08/18 07:47 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

You foil should look like this...

And your pinning might have to do with your temps as well. My current temps is what I believe is stalling mine as it is around 64-66 when it should be between 68-70*f. Your foil is probably your biggest issue but your cakes are looking a little blueish from what I can see in your pics, and your verm looks kinda dark. Were you misting enough? Looks like they might have dried out at one put in time over the last couple of weeks? Other than that, patience is key!

Edited by Mush Hunter (04/08/18 07:48 AM)

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Re: Over 2 Weeks Not Pinning: Did I Mess Up? [Re: Mush Hunter]
    #25122929 - 04/08/18 10:44 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

Ahh haaa, good info I had not picked up in my reading before.  I shall trim them now. 

Fanning is another part that I missed out until a week ago and now fan for 10 or so seconds before / after I mist four or five times a day.

I was only misting once or twice in the first 10 days or so, so I may very well have let them dry out. 

Any thoughts on redunking for a few hours?  I have read other posts where people redunked when they were dried out.


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Re: Over 2 Weeks Not Pinning: Did I Mess Up? [Re: shroomad]
    #25122932 - 04/08/18 10:46 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

If your SGFC is built to spec. there is no need to fan. Old info.

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Re: Over 2 Weeks Not Pinning: Did I Mess Up? [Re: Mush Hunter]
    #25122937 - 04/08/18 10:48 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

You can re dunk your cakes for 12hrs to rehydrate if your cakes are to dry, but a good misting will do the trick most times.

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Re: Over 2 Weeks Not Pinning: Did I Mess Up? [Re: Mush Hunter]
    #25123046 - 04/08/18 11:24 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

Haha, mine is built to spec best as I learned from the different resources.  However, due to my living situation, I am only able to store it on the floor on the other side of my bed, next to the outside wall and window.  I know that floor is not preferred, but its all I have at the moment. 

I had totally forgotten about the perlite giving moisture from when I initially soaked it.  I think that the times I left the SGFC in direct sunlight may have dried it out, as I just checked the perlite and it is bone dry.  Just poured a few quarts of water in the perlite and currently soaking the cakes, and trimmed the aluminum foil to size We shall see if that does the trick. 

Also put my next six cakes in the SGFC.  Lets see if this new knowledge helps them grow better.

Isnt the internet great?  Just imagine how literally impossible it used to be even 30 years ago to get this kind of first hand feedback and insight in the majority of places we live.  Awesome.


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Re: Over 2 Weeks Not Pinning: Did I Mess Up? [Re: shroomad]
    #25123166 - 04/08/18 11:56 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

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Haha, mine is built to spec best as I learned from the different resources.  However, due to my living situation, I am only able to store it on the floor on the other side of my bed, next to the outside wall and window.  I know that floor is not preferred, but its all I have at the moment. 

I had totally forgotten about the perlite giving moisture from when I initially soaked it.  I think that the times I left the SGFC in direct sunlight may have dried it out, as I just checked the perlite and it is bone dry.  Just poured a few quarts of water in the perlite and currently soaking the cakes, and trimmed the aluminum foil to size We shall see if that does the trick. 

Also put my next six cakes in the SGFC.  Lets see if this new knowledge helps them grow better.

Isnt the internet great?  Just imagine how literally impossible it used to be even 30 years ago to get this kind of first hand feedback and insight in the majority of places we live.  Awesome.



Do you have it directly sitting on the floor or is it at least raised up a little bit? If its sitting directly on the floor and blocking the bottom holes then the sgfc wont work properly. The sgfc needs to be raised at least an inch or two so that air can flow through the bottom holes. When i used one id set it ontop of 4 jars to keep it raised up.


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Re: Over 2 Weeks Not Pinning: Did I Mess Up? [Re: flyhighfunguy]
    #25123255 - 04/08/18 12:27 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)





Do you have it directly sitting on the floor or is it at least raised up a little bit? If its sitting directly on the floor and blocking the bottom holes then the sgfc wont work properly. The sgfc needs to be raised at least an inch or two so that air can flow through the bottom holes. When i used one id set it ontop of 4 jars to keep it raised up.




Ahh, this is what I was initially concerned about, but forgot about that as well.  I will put something under it to raise it as you suggest.  Thank you.


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Re: Over 2 Weeks Not Pinning: Did I Mess Up? [Re: shroomad]
    #25123318 - 04/08/18 12:50 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

It’s good that you are putting more cakes in there too, that will help your moisture out with more cakes packed in there.


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Re: Over 2 Weeks Not Pinning: Did I Mess Up? [Re: shroomad]
    #25123331 - 04/08/18 12:52 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

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Haha, mine is built to spec best as I learned from the different resources.




1/8inch or whatever holes drilled in a 2"x2" grid pattern on all 6 sides. 3-5inchees damp perlite(covering multiple rows of vertical holes)
thats all the 'resource' should say about the sgfc. so i hope those resources were short and sweet.

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Re: Over 2 Weeks Not Pinning: Did I Mess Up? [Re: mushboy]
    #25123642 - 04/08/18 03:09 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)






1/8inch or whatever holes drilled in a 2"x2" grid pattern on all 6 sides. 3-5inchees damp perlite(covering multiple rows of vertical holes)
thats all the 'resource' should say about the sgfc. so i hope those resources were short and sweet.




You just became another resource, excellent.


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Re: Over 2 Weeks Not Pinning: Did I Mess Up? [Re: shroomad]
    #25147799 - 04/18/18 10:55 AM (6 years, 8 months ago)

In response to the messages, I soaked all the cakes for half a day as well as pouring a good amount of water into the perlite, which was very dry.  I also raised the box four inches off the ground for airflow. 
Within two days of the changes, I saw pins from two of the older cakes and another pin from the newer cakes.  Was quite excited and thought we were on a roll....and then things slowed down again. 
As you can see in the pictures, I have pinning, but no large growth after these last nine days.  The second picture is of the first pins, which had pinned this amount in the jar, and the dont appear to have really grown at all since then.  The third picture is of the second group that pinned and those two have already torn their veil even though they are tiny.
I’m wondering if this has to do with oscilating temperature during the day?  Even though I live in a warm climate, the way the house is set up, this area receives sun in the morning but is shaded and even cool in the afternoon and evening.
I’ve only ever grow with kits before, in a different area, and my grows wer much much larger both in number and in size than these.







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