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#25115600 - 04/05/18 10:30 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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I have done various mods to my cars over the years. I used to have an 08 Pontiac G8 GT. Awesome car I loved it. 361 horsepower and 386 pounds of torque stock. It wasnt enough for me so I decided to put a supercharger on it with inter cooler. I put headers and full exhaust. Tuned it myself. Replaced all bushings in the suspension with polyurethane ones. New front and rear sway bars, sub frame connectors, trailing arms, and toe rods. I also did the brakes and replaced the fluid with racing fluid. Had the alignment set up for the track but also decent for street driving. It made over 500 horsepower. It also would cut out 4 cylinders while cruising so I would get 31 mpg highway. Pretty good for a 500 horsepower car. It handled like a dream. It was so easy to control going sideways around turns like it was driving itself. I took it to the drag strip and it ran 11.8 on the stock tires. I was getting worse traction than on the street because tracks are prepped for slicks. With slicks it would have done 10s. I was going to take it to road courses but I moved to CA and sold it because I had a truck and boat and couldnt really take it with me. I miss that car so much. Great car.
I dont have as much money now as then so I picked up a 97 Trans AM. It has 117,000 miles and is in very good condition for its age. No rust and just a few little scrapes. Everything works on it. It has long tube headers, an off road y pipe and magnaflow exhaust. It also has a tune. Im not really planning on modding it at least not right now.
Have any sports cars? Have you modded any?
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Re: Anyone into modifying cars on here? [Re: ds442]
#25123173 - 04/08/18 11:58 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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I would like to mod my SUV in the future. But Ive never modded a race car. Thatd be sick. Love me some show cars. I would have a bad ass design and color scheme on my car.
Got any pics?
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#25123728 - 04/08/18 03:51 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Call me a ricer but I have a 1994 Acura Integra with a gsr engine and trans swap. Tannabe hyper medallion muffler, full 3" pipes,aem intake, sheep built header, test pipe. Slammed on coil overs, 17" rims on 215-45. Super nice paint job.. But my rockers are.rusting bad. I also have two e.g. civics with d16z6 ones one 6psi ebay turbo setup. The other is stock / bolt ons.
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Re: Anyone into modifying cars on here? [Re: Sofaking420]
#25123841 - 04/08/18 04:41 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Sofaking420 said: Call me a ricer but I have a 1994 Acura Integra with a gsr engine and trans swap. Tannabe hyper medallion muffler, full 3" pipes,aem intake, sheep built header, test pipe. Slammed on coil overs, 17" rims on 215-45. Super nice paint job.. But my rockers are.rusting bad. I also have two e.g. civics with d16z6 ones one 6psi ebay turbo setup. The other is stock / bolt ons.
I hate front wheel drive but can respect any fast car. How much power is that turbo civic making?
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Re: Anyone into modifying cars on here? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#25123857 - 04/08/18 04:46 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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LogicaL Chaos said: I would like to mod my SUV in the future. But Ive never modded a race car. Thatd be sick. Love me some show cars. I would have a bad ass design and color scheme on my car.
Got any pics?
I dont have any pics anymore. I literally lost everything I had.
what kind of SUV you got? What do you want to do to it?
I dig custom paint but that gets pricey.
It sucked that I never got to take my G8 on a road course. I had already paid to go to one but ended up selling it before I had the chance. I also had a hook up to get on a private track near me. I got to drive it on the street a bunch though.
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#25123878 - 04/08/18 04:53 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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The civic made 310hp /252 tq on 93 pump. Everyone says they hate fwd but I guarantee a properly set up car is much better then you'd expect. I've upset many people with my civic and integra and will continue to do so.
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Re: Anyone into modifying cars on here? [Re: Sofaking420]
#25124118 - 04/08/18 06:53 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thats some pretty good hp for a civic. About the same as my Trans Am. I wonder who would win. I got more torque and have wider tires than stock but you are lighter.
I raced some old guy in a 2018 Chrysler 300s a couple months ago. It was cold and I had the traction control off like always. I was spinning and fishtailing all the way to 40 when I let off. Beat him. I bet he was surprised with his brand new car.
Is your integra stick?
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#25124224 - 04/08/18 07:57 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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The turbo civic has 225-55-17 tires and weighs 2250 with me and half a tank of fuel. It's more of a roll racer, it doesn't like to hook on a dig on the streets and I've broken two trans and a few axles at the track grudge racing.
Yes the Integra is a 5 speed. The gsr option was never an automatic.
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Re: Anyone into modifying cars on here? [Re: Sofaking420]
#25124725 - 04/09/18 12:44 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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That sucks things keep breaking. Its an economy car not designed for power. Sports cars will have problems too when making serious power some more than others. GM vehicles are pretty good in that respect. The older ones the weakest link was the rear end. The newer ones are pretty good though.
My TA has 275s all around on corvette rims. The rims look nice on the car but are starting to get some bad spots.
The only problem Im having is the damn pop up headlight motor grinds when it lowers. Its embarrassing. I replaced the gear inside for $15 but its still doing it. Its just worn out. I can get a new motor for $125.
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Re: Anyone into modifying cars on here? [Re: ds442]
#25125149 - 04/09/18 08:35 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Im hoping to upgrade my SUV to make it make it offroad ready. Like lift it a couple inches, put accessories like a metal bumper guard and those offroad flood lights.
Wish i could go full on with the snorkle, an electric winch and shovel attachment but that would be very expensive.
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#25126082 - 04/09/18 03:14 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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LogicaL Chaos said: Im hoping to upgrade my SUV to make it make it offroad ready. Like lift it a couple inches, put accessories like a metal bumper guard and those offroad flood lights.
Wish i could go full on with the snorkle, an electric winch and shovel attachment but that would be very expensive.
Thats cool never really been off roading except one time. I was on vacation in Cali and I took my Ford Taurus rental car on a off road only desert trail. Good thing I didnt get stuck because I encountered some loose sand.
I was just thinking this morning. I was in Tennessee in 2009 when I had the G8. There is a bad ass road called tail of the dragon. Its 11 miles and 381 turns. Its the most popular driving road in the US. Anyway there is a photographer that takes pictures. So I found mine. There is 9 of them. I paid for my favorite one. I will post it as soon as I can download it. It looks so beautiful and bad ass.
I only had a tune at that time. After I had it set for racing I took it back but there was a rock slide and the road was closed. Bullshit.
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Re: Anyone into modifying cars on here? [Re: ds442]
#25131468 - 04/11/18 06:02 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'd like to join a driving school next time I move by a big city.
Houston had a school, MSR I think it was, high speed track with those 80mph go kart leagues on some days, all the car leagues on others. Have driving courses where it's half classroom and half in car instruction in your own car.
I want a 92 iroc to modify a little here and there, I'm so white trash, I wouldn't spend much money on it but I'd spend some time on it. I also want a Miata stick, I've always heard great things about them little cars on the track, affordable peppy and great dialy drivers.
I recently changed careers and don't make nearly as much either so a $5k car that's easy to work on and peppy with a stick, I'm sold.
I look forward to learning how to drive as a sport and then finding the limits of tbe car and then modifying it and seeing real time at the track how big of a difference it made.
I think I'd end up liking both fwd and rwd for their unique differences
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#25132669 - 04/12/18 08:10 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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ds442 said: There is a bad ass road called tail of the dragon.
I did that road on a Harley last year. It was fucking epic (that's my Harley in the foreground):

I've modified the fuck out of many cars and have conquered many race tracks (including the Nurburgring) in my youth but I'm over all that now. It's way too expensive and I wanna cruise slow and in comfort when driving. Two wheels are much better for going fast anyway:

There's not much out there on four wheels that could beat me on that thing....
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#25134544 - 04/13/18 12:19 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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I go pretty hard into the modding cars thing. I'm also a diehard VAG enthusiast. I've always been into cars but I didn't start modding them until a lot later.. the mod bug really hit me about 10 years or so ago. and basically each of my past 3 cars have been progressively more modded. Current ride is a sleeper Stage 3, 2016 VW Golf R here she was when I first got it

Picked it up from my good (car) friend at ~20k miles, after he had already dumped like 25k worth of mods into it. (He goes through cars like toilet paper, so he's a good resource lol) Engine rebuilt with forged IE internals, Big Turbo, ALL the bolt ons, suspension fully done.. almost everything on the car was modded/upgraded before I even got it. The mod list is fucking long. Which... to most people that would be a bad thing. But this is my good friend.. he's a hardcore enthusiast.. and he only gets top notch parts and does everything PROPERLY. This was the car that I really wanted... and he pretty much took care of almost all the modding for me (that I would have done myself anyway... eventually....), and I got it with a new turbo and freshly rebuilt and upgraded engine. He saved me a shitton of time and money. So it was a fucking score and a half.
 I've since taken off most of the stickers and put a ridiculous amount more into it.. bigger turbo, custom tune, water/meth setup, big brake kit, forged wheels, ceramic coating, etc.. next is adding Multi-Port injection, upgrading fueling.. E85 kit and upgraded head/springs, UM tuning..

Here it is now.. much more subtle... it looks like just a Golf from a distance.. until you hear it rumbling in Sport mode


I haven't hit a dyno since upgrading the turbo and adding w/m, but it was sitting at around ~430 WHP @ 24psi before I started messing with it. Once I get everything dialed in I want to get dynoed and see what kind of times it can hit at the strip. I'm expecting around 470-500whp. I have little doubt it can be a 10s car with the right setup. Thing is a fucking beast and handles like a dream. That AWD combined with all the suspension upgrades, thing stays planted as a motherfucker around the bends.
But this thing is a fucking DEMON. On cold start, it sounds like a fucking diesel truck, I know it pisses my neighbors off in the morning lol. With the exhaust valves open and in Sport mode, it is LOUD as FUCK. Almost too loud for me. I have a button though, that I can electronically open or close the exhaust valves, so that's cool. So when I pass a cop and want to go into stealth mode I just go into normal mode and close the exhaust valves to go into super quiet stealth mode.
But it's not a track car...even though it's basically fully set up for the track (minus a giant ass wing and some aero shit). I do track sometimes but this is just my daily driver and canyon cruiser demon and destroyer of V8 dreams who think they are super hot shit 
But yeah.. after upgrading head, adding MPI and upgrading fueling... I am literally out of things I can mod lol. Aside from other cosmetic or aero shit.. which probably isn't far off. lol. Or going to an even bigger turbo after upgrading the head, lol. The bug is insatiable.
I'm at a 50k miles now, so that's 30k at Stage 3 power levels, and so far everything has been A-ok.. no major failures.. I'm definitely keeping up on all my maintenance. Even though the car is insane, I want it to last hopefully a long time. It's not TOO insane.
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#25134581 - 04/13/18 12:55 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Didn't you total that thing and almost like, die? RIP.. it looked beautiful
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#25134587 - 04/13/18 01:02 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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yap.  
then after that I had an audi TT quattro convertable and totaled that.  
And also a kawi ninja and totaled that and almost died.
um then I got an old camaro z28 with a factory 4 speed big bored out v8. I sold that one 
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#25134598 - 04/13/18 01:08 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Stop totaling vehicles and almost dying  I noticed you didnt say you almost died when you total the Audi though.. dat German Engineering. It saved my life before
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#25134874 - 04/13/18 05:53 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Jesus Christ Spinkles, what the fuck....
How many vehicles do u have to total? U a speed demon or something?
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Re: Anyone into modifying cars on here? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#25137254 - 04/13/18 11:19 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Here's the old G8
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Quote:
Humble Newcomer said: I'd like to join a driving school next time I move by a big city.
Houston had a school, MSR I think it was, high speed track with those 80mph go kart leagues on some days, all the car leagues on others. Have driving courses where it's half classroom and half in car instruction in your own car.
I want a 92 iroc to modify a little here and there, I'm so white trash, I wouldn't spend much money on it but I'd spend some time on it. I also want a Miata stick, I've always heard great things about them little cars on the track, affordable peppy and great dialy drivers.
I recently changed careers and don't make nearly as much either so a $5k car that's easy to work on and peppy with a stick, I'm sold.
I look forward to learning how to drive as a sport and then finding the limits of tbe car and then modifying it and seeing real time at the track how big of a difference it made.
I think I'd end up liking both fwd and rwd for their unique differences
I had an 87 Iroc. I bought it for $700 off my friend. I changed the runners on the TPI. Polished the TPI. It looked sick. The best looking intake ever. Installed 7.1 roller rockers. Headers and exhaust. Shift kit in the trans. A few other mods. It ran a 13.5. I sold it with 240,000 miles still running great. I beat the hell out of that car for 5 years.
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#25137275 - 04/13/18 11:32 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Shroomism that is one fast VW. Nice.
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Re: Anyone into modifying cars on here? [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#25137295 - 04/13/18 11:49 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Jokeshopbeard I like that CBR. I was going to buy a VTX 1800 when they first came out. They wouldn't finance me even though I had $10,000 down. Then my best friend died on his Harley and I thought maybe it wasn't a good idea.
I would love to drive the Nurburgring. That track is sick!
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#25137345 - 04/14/18 12:37 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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1999 R34 GTT Skyline, got it pretty much stock as a fresh import from japan about 8 years ago.

I've upgraded the exhaust, intake, turbo, ecu, fuel pump as well as several other little things. It currently has 292 horsepower at the wheels @ 12 psi.
I took Jokeshopbeard for a little spin when he was over here ;p
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#25137512 - 04/14/18 02:53 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Damn that is tight.
I havent seen a Skyline in forever! Since high school days. Glad they are still around.
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Re: Anyone into modifying cars on here? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#25137523 - 04/14/18 03:03 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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I was too lazy to drive to the shops so I tried using toothpaste and bi-carb soda to clean the yellow out of the passanger headlight. It actually came up pretty good.
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Re: Anyone into modifying cars on here? [Re: wolfiewolfie]
#25137533 - 04/14/18 03:13 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah I was wondering about it.
Thats some simple but effective DIY
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Re: Anyone into modifying cars on here? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#25137795 - 04/14/18 07:47 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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I like that Skyline. 292 RWHP is pretty good.
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Re: Anyone into modifying cars on here? [Re: ds442]
#25137862 - 04/14/18 08:23 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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G8 was a nice car.
I've totalled a few, if I remember when I'm at my computer I'll post pics of thr M5 before and after totalled our from heat damage.
I wreck a lot of cars too but I don't think I have pictures of most.
I rolled a 2000 Corolla off a bridge and the passenger side was crushed like that totalled white car, I think about that sometimes how wrecks like that happen where only the driver could have survived and only one person was in the car luckily.
Had a hit and run total out a Jeep Cherokee in the middle of rhe night. Someone t boned my Jeep into mu neighbors new Ford at an apartment complex and drove off in middle of the night. It was my last night there I had everything packed up ready to move out.
My first new car was a Kia Spectra stick, real nice actually, sporty w rear spoiler and real peppy and reliable til I exited the freeway too fast while gravely I'll and flew off the road and smashed into a light pole. I was so sick I didn't even care I just wanted to get home. Drove it with soarks flying from rim for five miles home.
I wrecked the M5 once before it was totalled in the shop fire thank goodness, had the M button on and hauling ass around in an unfamiliar area like an idiot and was hauling ass towards a 90deg turn with a raised curb. Got the car sideways and smashed both left rims so hard into curb it popped up and onto curb and my left front tire flopped out from a broken ball joint. 10k front subframe replacement was paid for by insurance. Smh.
I can't afford any of that shit rn. Major career change, about to sell my house and move.
But when I settle down and rebuild my life again I'm gonna do it right this time. Start with a 3rd gen Camaro or a Miata or some beater, learn to drive it at a track, mod it as my skill improves and then upgrade cars as my skill allows.
Ive even driven my pickup off a cliff in vedauwoo, Wyoming when I was a mechanic student up there, wtf am I doing buying a 500hp car I can't handle
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Wow that's the dream to build up an iroc like that and beat it like the white trash slut it is for years, hell yeah
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Wolf - I dunno where u live but I got the 3m headlight restoration kit for like $30 or $40 from O'Reilly or somewhere it's a 3 step sanding kit from 600 grit to 3000 grit or so u hook the final polishing wheel into your drill and polish it with included compound.
I did both headlights on my old truck andt ehyre like new and tbe kit can probably do 2 more vehicles
Sweet skyline btw I know plenty of poeple in the states that would be jealous
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Ya the 3M kit works good... but toothpaste is essentially the same thing (more or less..) the toothpaste acts like a polish, works fine but you'll get slightly better results with the 3M kit.
And ya that's a nice R34... things are rare as fuck in the states. I know a lot of car guys get jealous of the stuff Australia can get. They got a pretty killer car scene down there. We're pretty limited in Commifornia.
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The Trans Am. It's raining, Chicago weather. It's might snow monday. The hoods flat black right now. Getting it painted as soon as the weather warms up.
I wanted the next gen. one but the couple I looked at didn't happen. I like this one though. I get compliments all the time. It's got the t-tops for the nicer weather. Sweet.
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#25137925 - 04/14/18 09:04 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Humble Newcomer, Let me know when your driving I will stay off the road
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Well I have a 2002 mustang Gt with a fully forged stroker and edelbrock intake, 4.10 rear, comp drag cams, upgraded fuel system. All I need is a turbo/supercharger she be sitting 550-600hp. Gotta upgrade my suspension first, she can barely grip after the 4.10 rear.
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#25161613 - 04/24/18 05:12 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Holy shit, thats legit! 
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Sweet Mustang! I like superchargers more because of the low end torque.
American cars are the shit. They are not just muscle anymore. They out handle and out brake most cars. Check out the Camaro ZL1 or the Corvette ZR1. There aren't many cars that could touch them on a road course. Magnetic adjustable shocks are awesome. Even the Camaro SS 1LE is a beast. Ford has been stepping up their game as well.
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yeah my low end is GONE lol my idle is 1300 and daily driving I shift 1-3-5. 2nd is like riding a bucking bronco. My cams power curve is 3000-6300. I was looking in to a centrifugal blower and vortech's hp fall off at 5800 my cam peaks at 6200-6300, 75mm turbo should carry me all the way to 6800rpm.
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That's why I put a supercharger on the G8 instead of a big cam. I wanted the low end and keep stock like drivability. A cam would have been way cheaper. I wanted to road course my car so I wasn't really looking to make huge power. I looked into a twin turbo setup but decided on the supercharger. If I would have put a cam in it, I could have easily been over 700 hp.
I love the acceleration. Every time it would put a huge smile on my face. Even my TA does and it's only 310 HP. I love the way the exhaust sounds. I will just cruise with the stereo off and listen to it. Nothing like the sound of a V8.
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I just got my hood painted and the front clip. It looks sweet. Got a 2 step polishing kit coming to buff out the swirl marks on the rest of the car. I will post some pics when it's done. It will be shiny.
I cleaned the interior and all the black trim and treated it. It looks almost brand new.
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Spent 8 hours washing and polishing then it started raining just as I was finishing. It rained for a few days. Got it all washed and shiny. It looks damn good for being 21 years old.
I wasn't really feeling it till I got the hood painted. Now I'm loving it.
If you are looking for some good car care products. Check out Adam's Polishes. Great products and everything is made in the USA.
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Very much so. I am a Toyota man myself. Rebuilding the 22re in my 88 pickup. Going to pick me up another 2nd gen yota and swap in a 1uzfe V8. Ideally a 2wd single cab short bed. Keep it relatively low, not slammed. My goal is at 330whp. My dream is a first gen celica with a 2jzgte.
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I have no idea what any of that is. Sounds nice though. 330 whp in that truck should move pretty good.
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The 1uzfe is a Lexus V8. It's really popular with toyota guys. All aluminium so it's light. Earlier models are even non-interferance engines which is nice. It's compact for what it is and it can be had for like 500 bucks if you look hard enough. The m90 supercharger from mid 2000s terminator mustangs fit on the 1uz so there's several supercharged Lexus v8 toyota mini trucks out there.
The 22re is the little 4 banger found in the older pickups and 4runners. Widely regarded as one of the most bulletproof and reliable engines. They have a huge cult following as well.
None quite as ubiquitous as the 2jz fans. Arguably he greatest engine ever built as far as tuning potential.
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Quote:
Gonzo the Eternal said: Arguably he greatest engine ever built as far as tuning potential.
Disagree. Nissan RB26 is better IMO. Admittedly there's not much in it but I'd definitely go RB26 given the choice.
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Well I did say arguably haha but when you consider the 2j is cheaper, stronger, has a better aftermarket and is much more common I think that is the definition of better. RB26 has to be imported so it does have a cool factor. And it's by no means a bad engine. Top 10 in my book
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Hey, Look at that bitch in the Trans Am.

I am loving my car now. It is in such good shape. No rust at all even underneath. I got the modding bug again. I ordered a bird for the back window. The one on the hoods of the older ones. It is just the outline so you can see through it. Should look good. In between the tail lights it says trans am and a bird underneath is black and you can't really see it. I'm getting decals to go over that. Underneath that it says pontiac indented which you can hardly see. Decals to go in there. Then I think I will put some stripes on the hood scoops. I seen a picture of one and it looked sweet.
Then performance mods. I will be moving to California and I know it is strict there. I want at least 700 to the wheels. See what this LT1 can do. The only thing I hate about this motor. They put the distributor on the front of the engine behind the water pump. That's some shit you find on foreign cars. Stupid.
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That's a good motor though even though it has dumb design in some places haha how do you feel about boost?
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I like superchargers. With a big cam and good heads and intake. I could get there. Of course the trans will have to be upgraded as well. I think I will buy a beater while I work on it.
A couple more pics of the G8.

Damn I miss that car.
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A pic of the bird on the back window. I have the other decals on as well but I messed up the tail light the other day so I don't want to take a pic of it. $125 for a used tail light. I seen them for $ 350. I think it looks good. I have to wait till next month for the racing stripes because the hood just got painted.
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I've always liked that logo. Looks super sick my man. And I've always really liked the g8. I've seen some crazy g8s out there haha
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I love the G8. If I had the money I would get the same car and do the same things.
I think it looks really good on the Trans Am. I got a new tail light but it is tinted. I think they came that way on the firehawks. Not sure. I ordered some tint for the other one so they will match. It's been raining so I will post a pic of the back soon. It looks good with all the other decals.
I got the racing stripes coming and a few other decals as well. I have to wait a couple more weeks to put the stripes on. Then I'm going to wax the whole car. I hope the stripes look good. Otherwise it will be a waste of 110.
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That's the car with the slotted rotors DS?
She's sexy. Cars like that have such a strong nostalgia feel to them. I remember where I was when that body style first came out and I had such stronger feelings about cars when I was younger.
Like, few cars that come out now, will I drool over in 30 years, I won't be 60 wishing for a 2018 Chevy Cobalt. Or, to really drive them point home, any of the modern sports cars by and large
Corvettes got ugly Camaros are throwing back to the old days with Dodge and everyone else, even the BMW sports cars I loved so much turned to shit
No, people will remember the Toyota Prius and the Honda Civic from this era. Makes sense tho, change in fuel prices and outlook on emissions
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Cobalts stopped existing 8 years ago.
Which BMW sports car did you love?
And what do you mean Camaro is throwing back to the old days woth Dodge? Is that a bad thing? Isn't the old style what you like?
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No what I'm saying is since every vehicle now is a throwback to the old cars, no modern cars now will ever be classics. It's impossible. If u liked a xx charger that was inspired by the original charger, well it's the original that was the classic and the later is the revival.
E60 M5. I forget tbe years I used to be a huge auto nerd back in the day. Mine was 08. Busted my ass for years and bought one.
E46 M3 was a beast as well. It wasn't just about power, the successors out power them which is always the case. It was about how the power was created (pre turbos by badass ingenious technologies that made me beam with pride). How the car looked.
And also, it was about my overall point how cars are nostalgic as long as it's not bullshit cash grabs. They were distinct cars with distinct personalities at the time when I worked there, it was a bonding.
Some of the recent revival cars I like. Some I don't. But no matter what I say it's a cash grab bc some of these companies have talent working there and they are capable of coming up with new car designs that will become the new nostalgia for 10 year olds today.
Many, like always will make bad designs and flounder, a FWD Cadillac that was shabby in quality and boxy like a chevette in the 80s comes to mind, a knee jerk reaction to the Asian 80s invasian and they're cheap purchase price and high fuel economy. And that was before the Catera! But that's how things go it's the jungle of evolution not all survive.
Unless all throw back to their roots and cash grab on an old design. Which is still risky, it's all risk.
But poor kids today.
Heck poor kids 200 years from now. They'll only hear the rumble of a fully tuned alcohol dragster in museum's. Probably the same with all high performance cars if not all internal combustion engines period.
They're only 30% efficient AT BEST and that's assuming 100% volumetric efficiency which is non existent on production cars even in racing versions unless they're forced induction.
Internal combustion engines utilize heat energy, essentially. We burn fuel for the heat, the expanding gases that push the Piston down.
Well 30% goes out exhaust valve down tailpipe and 30% is absorbed thru cooling jackets and blown into the atmosphere by your radiator and fan.
External combustion engines were even worse that's why they don't exist post steam age.
It's all how deep u look at it I guess
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We'll the modern charger has no ties to the old one. It's a sedan now:/
But I agree. They don't make cars like they uses to. I disagree a bit in that I can see some modern cars being classics soon. But not many. I only like cars 2000 and before. And most companies keep the parts of their cars that made them famous back in the day. Challengers, mustangs, camaro are all throwbacks in a way because they have to be. They can't abandon what made the car famous in the 60s. Then again Dodge doesn't give a shit. The Charger is a sedan and the Dart is the new Cavalier. Gross.
And the Ms will always be some of my favorite. Especially the e46. That's a classic. They are still great cars but they aren't the driving machines they used to be. No soul.
But nobody is going to give a shit about a Veloster in 15 years. They don't make cars to last 50 years as a brand. Like a mustang or an m3 or supra or skyline. There's hardly any cars that are meant to have a long life. Most ore just trendy shitboxes meant to make money like you said.
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Very true, I went into detail about non serviceable front ends in a thread somewhere, as bs as that is to someone like me, the vast majority of vehicles by 150k miles when u start having these failures, most cars are wrecked, totalled, neglected or been handed over so many times that it's just driven til it breaks and no one fixes it.
People like me who want to service and repair and make one last and be financially efficient are a small percentage.
But it's not bc they make it like crap, it's a heck of an achievement to get them to past that long without additional grease.
I also went back and forth on if they're classics and it's kind of an opinion thing I guess anyone who gets a 2020 Camaro as a kid will live 2020 Camaros as an old man in 2080...
I think the word I wanted was lazy. It's just lazy. Half the problem is Camaro name or mustang is whatever is constantly reinvented and that makes sense bc of mass production and huge financial risk etc. U can't always create a new wildly different sports car.
But for u to have a perpetual model like mustang or Camaro or taurus it's double lazy to steer the body style back to the original design. That's just double lazy. That removed the small risk of reinventing the body and making it different even tho it's the same.
Camaros. 1st to 2nd to 3rd gen. All three very different yet very similar. And two of them became huuuuge iconic cars.
It's real complicated because the financials make it so much more forgiveable. But it's lazy as shit.
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We'll the body style has never been back the the original. They're are aspects of the original. General shape, tail lights, front fascia. But the 1st gen and second gen camaro share about as much as the most recent mustang and the 2006. Every generation is different. Yet retains some of the soul. I wouldn't call it lazy. It's a mustang. People bought it for a reason and Ford wants them to keep buying it for the same reason. They can't change the car every generation. There has to be some consistency. Otherwise what's the point in having an iconic car of you change it everytime a new one come out? It's iconic for a reason and it needs to stay that way. Porsche hasn't changed it's shape at all and that's a damn good thing. A 911 is a 911 and anyone who likes cars can tell you it's a 911 from 200 yards away. That's good marketing. A mustangs tail lights tell you it's a mustang from far away. It's about recognition. They can't keep coming up with new body styles because people like mustangs because they look like mustangs.
I'm with you. I buy a car to last. I'm rebuilding my 88 Toyota Pickup and it'll last me until I die. I can do everything myself and I hate the disposable car ideology.
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mmm guess I would disagree with you here. Not that any of it matters.
A 911 is an amazing example actually well done, probably the best example u could have given there because even 30 years ago they looked the same just bubblier. Rounder curves.
But there's a lot of differences there, 911s aren't ubiquitous to the point of mustangs and Camaros and so every car in a special niche like that gets special rules. In fact I say 911 is the exception.
BMWs for example, even in 1990 the 7 serries wasa hideous boxy car no one can believe cost 100k, which is an upgrade compared to the earlier body style which was literally a box with wheels. That cost 80k. They quickly became very sleek. Five series is another example of absolute drastic change in a short time. From e28 to e34 to e39 to E60. Wow. Craaaaazy Changes each time.
Most cars change dramatically during their run, from gen to gen and even between gens.
Every single BMW im aware of except the Z8 received facelifts halfway thru their run off the same body style. They didn't spend those millions for nothing.
People want constant change. Especially in the models we see all tbe time.
911 is a rare exception I think. The industry and it's need for constant change proves my point I think, I don't like any cars my dad liked I think the 50s cars are hideous boats I think 64 1/2 mustangs are hideous and over loved I guess a 96 cobra would be the only mustang I like and thats bc with a stick shift and the full leather bucket seats in there and a throaty exhaust it's completely unlike every other mustang. Because it is. Many of them even change chassis and then it's literally a complete new car.
Drastically different design elements, different feel different design fr ground up. It's not the same car it never was.
It's brands. And brands are bullshit bc people who buy into brands buy into, oh a Chevy is a Chevy. Or a half ton is a half ton. No, one body style is plagued with problems die to fundamental design errors and one isn't. But both are branded as same thing.
It's a fools errand to base future vehicle decisions based on branding. The looks change the performance and reliability drastically change. It's apples to oranges (None of this is applied to you, the mass thinking public in general is my audience there) And it's absolutely only done to give a pseudo feeling of familiarity or reliability and it's all koolaid.
There was a mustang that was MacPherson strut suspension and as u turn the wheel hard on the track, because of steering angle geometry of those systems vs short a long arm, the tire patch contacting the track actually gets cut in half, u lose half of the tiny tiny spot of contact you had previously. I bet the previous owners who came in riding the coat tail of earlier mustangs and their massive success we're pissed. In fact, its nearly able to take legal action on that, it's almost false advertising.
Iconic car means when I see it in a movie 10 years later I remember exactly what it was like to drive that particular car. Because that car was iconic it stood out that CAR.
You can build a brand but as soon as u change stuff it's not the same nor does it deserve or, time shows us, even earn the respect it deserves. Coke changed their recipe and what happened. Can you call their new flavor iconic? Hardly.
That shit is branding and it's lazy, it's lies amd it only works on the Ill informed. And it's double lazy when they go back and heavily base their car off previous designs.
We could go back and forth about which fascia and how much but the point is very clear to me, the very notion of releasing to the world a new design that looks like your best 20 years ago is like me showing up at Halloween already drunk dressed like myself 20 years ago.
It's fucking lazy and it shows how many drink the koolaid.
Buying a brand or staying local to anything in today's automotive industry is the same as voting straight ticket Republican or democrat. By nature it's lazy and stupid.

I guess what I mean is I think the souped up new Camaros look sick but I'd be an idiot to buy it based on previous knowledge of Camaros or thinking I'm going to have Chevy's bulletproof reliability or without havinf the dealership put it on a lift and let me walk under it to look in detail at how easy ALL of my future maintenance will be.
Each time a new body style comes out, each time the chassis is new, its an entirely new vehicle. With the fast pace of technology increasing available options for cars and capitalism fueling aggressive sales and harsh business tactics, over 50% of R&D as far as short term reliability is done by the customer base amd 100 percent of long term or weird situation (like Ford explorer fires fr cruise control switch at master cylinder) only come from us.
Oh and also service departments report earning up to double what sales departments earn for the car manufacturers.
So you can have Chevy pride and all but a car is your second largest invesent for most people and many get upside down and all that so, yeah, stupid reasons to spend bank
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And that's coming from a DIE HARD Chevy guy I would get in heated arguments In school.
Because back then, and this is true to this day, the early 90s Silverados were hella reliable and easy to work on compared to Ford's.
It took a loooong time for me to admit Chevy dropped their monumental lead. Even when I currently own an f150 and it's the biggest piece of shit I've fixed it literally 20 times in a year a half. It's all bullshit
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Anyone know what to do about boost leaks? I just found one right near my turbo :/
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I don't think Chevy dropped the lead at all. Fords going 6 cylinder. Screw that. GM is still the best. ZR1 vette setting records over $500,000 cars. The ZL1 Camaro will smoke most anything on a road course. They have great reliability also. I love the ZL1 with the big grill and carbon fiber hood scoop. Looks sweet. I think the new vettes are the best looking ever. The ZR1 looks crazy.
Corvette is completely dominating the American LeMans series. They just won their 9th manufacturer title. They were so dominant that every other manufacturer quit the class. Now the class they race in they make less power then the factory ones.
Cadillac is also dominating whatever series they race in.
Fords stopping making all their cars except for 1 model of the focus and the Mustang.
I would never buy a Chrysler now. Half owned by Fiat. They are behind the game compared to GM and Ford.
Somehow everyone thinks foreign cars are more reliable. It's not true. It's because Consumer Reports and the media. I beat the crap out of my cars and they have all been reliable except for a 4 cylinder Mustang I had that the engine and trans were made in Germany. Most foreign cars if you take it to the track it voids your warranty. Not with American cars.
Yeah the Trans Am has the slotted rotors. I love the styling of it. The newer body style the best. I have always like Pontiacs styling. I like all GM styles the best. Ford the least. The new Mustang is the only one I like except for the back. The only Challengers I like are the ones with stripes or other decals. I liked the last gen Charger. Dart is lame as hell. I was reading the Viper is supposed to be coming back as a v8. You just can't beat a v8. The new vettes might be going mid engine which I think is stupid. They are much harder to work on. Why ruin a good thing?
I have no experience with turbo. I would suggest throwing it in the garbage and buying a supercharger. Joking. That's why I like superchargers better. More reliable and low end torque.
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Well people don't think foreign cars are reliable based on myth. There's no denying that Japanese cars, mainly Toyota's, are reliable for decades to come. No other brand over engineered like Toyota did in the 80s and 90s. And no other brand has as strong of a reputation for reliability. That's not a myth based on the media. What does our media have to gain from falsely implying foreign cars are more reliable? And of it was an opinion people based on consumer reports that's not a myth. That's people reporting their experiences in after they bought a car.
Seeing as how most cars no matter the brand are foreign in some way or another the debate is no longer as cut and dry as it was. But even now America cars are on the low end of the reliability scale. Ford is the big reason i believe.
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I'm the same way for the most part, I still prefer GM in general, I've loved many Corvettes and Camaros but only that one mustang.
Personally I don't think foreign cars are anymore reliable now, what I was talking about earlier was specifically during the 80s invasion when there was a black and white difference in product and fuel economy and purchase price and it rocked the industry and American companies followed suit.
To this day a lot of that can be seen if you look at the sticker of a Chevy Aveo it says 95% of the car is foreign parts.
As far as reliability I think it's all a crapshoot that is a case by case basis as I was saying. Despite the branding, every time a new Camaro comes out it's a new chassis. Each time it needs to be evaluated as a new car.
There are examples of cars that always do well it seems and Corvette and Camaro are probably good examples of repeat good perfoance because they're the flagship sports car of a large brand. Camry is another one, there was some stink about the accelerator pedal failing and going wide open throttle and hurting people it was all over the news but it turned out to be old people and idiots - hurt Toyotas image a lot and wasn't even true. They're solid vehicles in today's market.
But again back to my mustang ii example, no one planned a failure when they designed the new mustang, but it was a huge oversight in the design of the mustangs front end and, if buying simply off the success of previous mustangs and not looking at that new rolling chassis as a new car, you'd be pissed.
I personally think Chevy dropped the ball big time in year past compared to early 90s late 90s but I don't base that on ant racing pedigree, just over the road reliability.
When I started wrenching there were no big regular failures I can remember on GMC or Chevy trucks. The cars back then we're pretty bulletproof too as I recall. Everything had failures but not like the fords.
But then like 04 or 05 I noticed a drop in reliability in the cars especially shortly after that was the ignitkon switch recall which was a big big deal.
Every car has issues but I remember far less with GMs back in the day.
It's hard even as a mechanic to look ahead and buy smart. Consumer reports are good and I think JD power award is one of those that people a year after purchase are asked their opinions and that's valuable info.
Kia comes to mind. Lots of people gonna hate but I love Kia I've had one and one Hyundai, amazing warranty and vehicle for the money, made leaps in car design over the past ten years but the reason I like them is they used to at least save all money in r&d by buying old engine designs and manufacturing molds.
So for example Toyotas Camry engine when they discontinue and move on to a new engine block they sell the molds and plans, many times to smaller countries / companies I guess, but Kia started buying the good bulletproof stuff that has like ten years actual road data millions of customers billions of miles kinda deal, and they just put up to date electronics on it and there you go. Slightly noisy enfines if you have a tuned ear. Noisy valvetrain. Cheap tiny starter sound on startup.
But the epitome of cheap efficiency in a new car
And they have some sexy designs now
Ford has always been shit since the 80s if u ask me Chrysler really took a shit over the past ten years look at the Durango and how many thousand of ball joints separated in moving vehicles and mlw lots of electronic issues my buddy had a 300 had 2 pcms go out that's inexcusable basically that's cheap parts, having a contract with a cheap Chinese supplier to save .05 per unit or similar, fuck you, fuck you for ever putting me in the position of having a failed computer, if it's in warranty it's gonna be a week for diagnosis and approval and they never want to give a loaner and if it's out of warranty your bullshit profiteering attitude cost me $1200.
Planned obselescence. I watched a documentary on that the other day, "the light bulb conspiracy". How back in the 1920s light bulb designers started designing them to fail sooner and how that cascaded through the economy. They could all make better cars if they wanted to.
The goal is who can make the best looking car that doesn't make a creak for 3 years or 36,000 miles and then shakes itself to pieces and shoots the oil plug out shortly after
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Wolfie - is that video a joke? It's hella late I can't sleep and may be delicious but it looks like a corn husk or something is crammed in there lol I thought it was a neon colored steering column cing out of your firewall but it looks like a blown out corn husk lol
Uhhhh if your pipe is a blown out corn husk like I'm seeing right now on no psychedelics u need to replace that section lol
If it's just a leak treat it like any other pressurized air system, rtv red is acceptable under your rubber couplers, use very little and let fully cure before starting up. Use quality hose clamps and get a 1/4 drive ratchet and socket to fit the adjustment screw don't use a screwdriver.
Only go as tight as it takes.
The video is too short for the third time I see a blown out corn husk so I'm going to bed
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Its a leek XD
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Seriously though, I need to get a new boost controller because my Eboost Street shit itself. I'm looking at the GFB G-Force II which is around $350AUD.

Anyone had any experience with these? Or know of a good boost controller around the $300 range?
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I can't believe I didn't noticed that the first time. Thats hilarious! That means someone might have seen you with a big ass leek under your hood and was probably thoroughly confused.
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Ohhhhhhhh nice! Lmao I still didn't get it after he told me leek, that's such an unfamiliar food term to me. I see people spell things wrong online all the time tho nice one I'm gonna watch it again now
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Aaannd here we have the definition of irony -.-
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You do know GM built a 6 cylinder for Toyota in the 80's. Toyotas are reliable but also slow as hell and the people that own them don't beat on them. They also have lame styling. Dodge is the least reliable American car now. Ford's v8's have always been pretty good except for the 4.6. I see older Honda's all the time pouring out smoke. I have worked at car dealerships that have owned multiple brands and they are all around the same reliability now.
The media has their own agendas. Everything is about money. They are making money from foreign companies. The Clintons made a shit load from China when good old Bill passed NAFTA.
I was just in WI. I went to a distillery and a brewery. On the way back to my campsite I run into a new charger on the highway. It was an SRT 392. I finally get him to go. We gunned it doing 60 till about 80 maybe. He only pulled on me about a car length. Not to impressed with that. He has a ton more HP than me. Even the Demon's are not running the times Dodge has claimed. They are losing to supposedly lesser cars.
I got the racing stripes and 1 was messed up so I didn't get them on. I put 2 smaller birds on both the sail panels right behind the windows. I have birds all over now. I love them.
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HumbleNewcomer look into how Consumer Reports rates cars. They are a joke. When the new Camaros first came out they rated them below average reliability. Based on what? They were some of the most reliable sports cars and they rate the new ones below average. JD Power is good.
My Dad was a mechanic and when he was younger loved Mopar. Now all he buys is GM. He didn't really teach me shit about cars. I learned mostly on my own from experience and the internet. He doesn't know shit about newer vehicles.
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If I was alive back then I bet I wouldve been a Mopar guy too.
Plymouth roadrunners just looked so over the top badass and the cuda, so cool even Don Johnson rocked one with Cheech on tv for years.
Gas was like a quarter a gallon or something f back then everyone just making mad displacement throwing big blocks in cars and selling them to teenagers.
What a time
And how things change, Plymouth roadrunners and the Plymouth minivan, the twin with the Chrysler one back in the 80s those were EVERYWHERE Now Plymouth is nowhere
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I love the old Cudas, Chargers, and Road Runners. I was at a muscle car dealer over 20 years ago. They had a Hemi Cuda convertible plum crazy purple. He said a guy offered him $200,000 cash for it and he turned it down.
They had a thing on the wall were they tested all the muscle cars down the 1/4 mile. The Buick GS was first. The Oldsmobile 442 w-30 was second. That's my favorite muscle car. They made over 500 ft lbs of torque. I just seen a red one with black stripes. Just what I want for $90,000 with very low miles. Not bad when other more popular muscle cars are going for over $250,000. Then the GTO Judge was 3rd. The Hemis were really heavy so they didn't run that good of times but you could make them fast as hell.
The Camaro ZL1 back then was all aluminum 427. It made over 600 hp.
Here is a cool video from a company that converts new Camaros to Trans Am's if anyone is interested. They are over 1000 HP and handle insane. Sick. I wish I could afford one.
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wolfiewolfie said: Aaannd here we have the definition of irony -.-

don't feel bad I just bent a valve lol
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That trans am is siiiiiiiiiick I wasn't aware anyone was doing this.
90k on the Oldsmobile 442, you're talking buying one that's already been rebuilt?
You can find a lot of sweet older cars to restore yourself for 12k or less, many not in bad shape.
I don't chase collector cars and I know the older more rare ones are more but I can't see 90k I dont love any car that much.
I'd have to get stupid rich to change my value system.
Id like to spend about 6500 on a sweet Monte Carlo or Cutlass supreme or something and half restore it. El Camino. Sweet little beater for a few years, little exhaust, clean ass paint job shiny muscle rims those $50 ones with the holes in them
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What 6 cylinder are you referring to? I don't know of any 6 cylinder toyota engines that match that. I know the m series of engines in the supra but Chevy had no part in that. Link? And what significance does that hold? And slow as hell? You must not get out of your comfort zone much. Or at least you stay in an echo chamber. And you must not have anybody that actually uses there car around you. My first yota died with 230k and I abused it. Bad. My second one had over 300k. None of these were taken care of. My current rebuild will last far longer. A 2jz is one of the strongest and most reliable engines out there. And also one of the highest in tuning potential. Head studs and a tune and you'll eat alot of cars alive. You have a very close minded view of cars. There is no "foreign" vs "American" anymore. All American cars are mostly foreign now. Youre stuck in the 70s And you weren't even alive then. There is no giant media conspiracy where they lie and tell everyone their cars last longer.
If you've seen a 1stgen celica. 1st gen pickup. Mark 3 and 4 supra. Celica g Even a little ace van and you still say it's "lame" styling then you too far gone to be helped.
It's all well and good to claim everything is a conspiracy and the media is behind everything but that's childish. Saying we make money from foreign companies and the reason the car reviews are skewed is because of that is also childish. If anything the media will shew it in American brands favor. Why on earth they would make up shit for imported cars is beyond me. The reliability reputation gotta has was earned since the late 70s when they showed you can buy smaller more economical vehicles and not miss a giant sorry land boat. American cars have always been wasteful and excessive. Door as hell but excessive.
Also your 600hp camaro numbers are very generous. Your bias is showing. Very much.
Your over here saying that everything bad about American cars is stupid and everything good about foreign cars is a conspiracy. Liking them is one thing but blatantly ignoring facts and years of proven research and saying "nah that's the media" is something else.
Your limited experience with shitty car owners isn't indicative of an entire market or brand of cars. It's no opinion or media bias that Toyota's last longer. Certain Toyota's if course. I'm not saying they all rock and will last 1 million miles. But I am saying more toyotas will reach 1 million than any other brand.
And actually after researching a little to see when GM built an engine for toyota. Which I never found by the way so I'm looking forward to yoir link. What I did find was the joint venture in the 80s between Gm and Toyota. Toyota needed Americans manufacturing facilities bad. So they took over a GM factory that had the worst reputation in the entire industry. It pumped out shitty cars and was notorious for strikes and drugs and all around incompetence. Until toyota took over and made it the most efficient plant they had. Look up the NUMMI plant.
So until you show me a link I'm calling bullshit on your claim. The only v6 engine toyota had in 80s was the vz series and gm had nothing to do with that. Toyota would never go to a company with horrible quality and reputation when they were in the prime of their reputation.
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When you said Toyota / GM had a partnership at a factory in the late 80s I immediately wondered if that had anything to do with the Geo brand.
Geo motors brand was launched under Chevrolet in 1989 and the Geo prizm was built at this NUMMI plant.
I read basically Toyota agreed to come down and teach GM the Toyota production line method and GM sent 30 executives to Japan to learn their streamlines management methods, all in exchange for Toyota to have greater access to the American market basically, the factory partnership meant building cars here was cheaper and they did not have means for a place to themselves on US soil yet
Geo motors was shut down in 1997 but the lighter fuel efficient models were continued under Chevrolet names
Undoubtedly Geo took a lot of design hints from Toyota during those partnership years
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That would make alot of sense. The Geo does seem to have more Toyota in it than GM.
Yeah they had to teach them all kinds of stuff because they were just awful. They said they would go to work drunk and put bottles in door panels so customers would have a rattling noise. It's pretty funny actually.
Speaking of Toyota and you liking BMWs, how do you feel about the Supra/Z4?
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When I started the BMW STEP program in early 2000s the Z4 roadster bad just come out. I hated the styling.
After a few months of seeing it every day in the shop it grew on me, driving it and seeing that long hood in front of you and on tbe 3.0L engine they actually had a intake pipe from the air filter housing run to the firewall for no reason except engine noise to the driver. BMWs always had excellent sound insulation in the cabin, absolutely excellent sealed cabins with cabin air filters, and as such you lose a lot of engine noise along with the tire and wind noise. Things like that are what made me like them so much. Or that the Z4s had two stage brake lights only the lower brake light half would light up on gentle to medium braking but both would light up on a hard brake. And BMW is the only manufacturer I know of that includes brake fluid flushes as part of their free maintenance package on every new vehicle. I just can't say enough good about what they used to be.
I don't know anything about any other z4 except the E85 which I was trained on the complete vehicle it's like four weeks 40hrs a week at the BMW school.
Supras I don't know anything about. I like their styling usually. I drove a 92 model one time. It was alright nothing to write home about.
I always had unrealistic dream cars when I was a kid, the Diablo, jaguar XJ220. There's very few production cars I fanboy over.
The BMW love was warned over time as I learned about them and was in awe. Shit, I couldn't tell between a 3 series or a 5 series our first day, none of us could lol! Our first few tests are learning BMWs entire history and memorizing all the chassis designations for the different cars and studying pictures of them to tell which one's which and how a 7 is different than a 5 than a 3.
Many people don't know the "roundel" emblem of BMW is a white propeller blade against a blue sky. They began with world class aircraft engines.
I think Lamborghini began making tractors.
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I'm asking you about the 2019 model. The one that's been talked about by every automotive journalist for months haha. The joint venture by BMW and Toyota to make the new Supra/Z4. It could be likened to the Toyobaru twins (FRS/BRZ). Except apparently the two will be different animals. Despite being on the same platform.
Yeah I knew about the propeller and tractors. Fun tidbits of automotive trivia for those who don't know.
From my automotive experience BMW adds alot of unnecessary things that serve just to add money to your bill when they break. 2 stage brake lights for example. But an older m3 is always a dream for someone who turns their own wrenches. Mmmmmmmmmm....E46....yummy..
But this new BMW Supra isn't really my thing. I'm sure it'll be a nice car and very capable but adding BMW to the mix feels like a take away from the Supra spirit. The 2 companies don't have the same MO. The Supra was a reliable sports car that took out scorecard of the time from the factory. All while combining crazy reliability and over engineered design. The 2j is hard to follow. But not many other companies have a reputation for inline 6s like Toyota and BMW. So it's not the worst. Not too mention that I dont really like new cars.
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I agree about BMW and Mercedes and the like having too much to break, I don't think it's from the little things like two stage lights which takes not much extra it's from the rapid release of technology between the two as a rivalry, none of the systems had enough R&D, so many luxury options that the vehicles end up with 50+ control modules no joke, the 750i when I left the industry had 46 control modules, indluing one for each door to control all the advanced air pressure crash sensors and window switches and automatic sunshade switches and window locks and then one more for each seat to control all the heating cooling and multi vibratory functions including one that feels like a literal hand coming out of the seat to grab your ass. Multiple seat memory settings, 9 way adjustable seats etc
These are the reasons they are so fragile now and expensive to maintain. Hell it took me over an hour just to adjust my seat in my M5 and I had two dedicated settings one for hauling ass one for cruising.
Yeah I don't have a clue about what you're talking about that's why I stay out of this thread for the most part, it's like music.
Back in the day I knew all my favorite bands and the names of the singers and who they used to be in bands with and all that. Who fucking cares. It takes a lot of time to keep up on all that which we never realized In high school or whatever because we were all trapped against our will and had free hours. Same thing I find myself not reading car magazines or reading new automotive articles or shows or anything because that's just not how my time is spent anymore I've been chasing a lot of new angles in my life lately.
I still fix them regularly, and drive them and all that. But there's only so many hours in the day and I simply don't keep up on any of that I don't hear anything in passing and don't watch tv
Off the top of my head I think it sounds horrible, if BMW had any pride left they would say fuck Toyota and their wanna be nice Lexus brand and have a staunch rivalry but after the 1 and 4 series have come out now with their X and M car variants, turbos are slapped on everything and now they're known for having engine fires in other vehicles powered by BMW, im not surprised they have some shitty ideas like having a teenager team up with Toyota.
That's what it sounds like. A bad movie aimedbat 14 year old teenyboppers who can't even drive yet. A la "fast and furious" fame which is already 7 sequels too far gone. I think by principal it's a disgusting failure of an idea. B I think BMW had it made when each of their models was different for a reason different sizes different purposes. All this hybridization and making overlapping models like the 1 and 4 series all these partnerships to try and create bastard transformer kids half Toyota half BMW running around getting made fun of by all the pureblood Chevy's and even shitty Ford's even how fucking pathetic.
Have pride in your product and who cares if you sell ten million, be the standard of quality that successful professionals aim to own and drive, not a temporary hype that gets a rash of cars sold and then on to the next hip idea. Maybe they had to change their business model to stay profitable who knows. After all in germany many BMWs don't even have power windows or cupholders or any options really it's a common vehicle there, the luxury brand is an American thing.
BMW for real for real was the Ultimate Driving Machine to me. But that ends when they do shit like this. But thays just me.
I don't care how cool it looks or anything, I hate it sight unseen just on principal
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Every car owner will fall somewhere in a spectrum, on the one side you have Henry Ford's idea of one car, one color, no options, all the same, ultimately it will be made super efficient super reliable and it will be crazy cheap.
On the other far side you have complete lack of frugality and reliability, wildly changing designs every year or at least every few, wants multiple choices colors cool partnerships maybe, always something new.
I fall in the middle, maybe even a little more on Henry Ford's side.
My thing is I don't love many cars, when I do it's an inside and outside and all around kind of love it's when you feel they got every styling and performance and feel detail right.
And then they go and change it the next year bc the market demands constant change.
The heart of the technology is not improving at a fast rate.(engine, fuel economy) internal combustion engines are on average less than 33% efficient.
The changes are only styling and minor technological improvements each time, which are usually rushed out before they're ready anyway leading to customer irritation.
I know I'm not the popular vote here but I say change less often and be more ready when you do change the car.
But I just say that bc I could drive an E39 or E46 or E60 for a decade easy. When you get it right, you get it right.
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Wannabe nice Lexus brand? Uh okay. It has a far better reputation for longevity and reliability over BMW. In my experience anything BMW touches gets a collective groan when it comes in the shop. Now if I took a class such as yourself and was BMW trained, which is pretty cool btw, I might feel differently. But around here the general consensus is that (some) BMWs are cool but everyone hate working on them and owners pay out the ass to own one just for the badge and the three letters.
I don't get how you come up with your positions sometimes. For one Lexus has absolutely nothing to do with the project I am telling you about. Which would literally take you typing in 4 letters (supr) into a search bar and the prediction would show you the 2019 supra and everything in talking about.
And two. BMW is the one making it a luxury ish car. Their version will be more posh. Toyota's will be the sportier one geared toward track days and such. The Toyota will cost around 60k. 70k will probably be reached with special packages.
But I digress. I'm not a fan either just your logic is waaaaay far away from mine. But it makes for a good conversation. It's not even really made by BMW. They outsourced it to a company that made the last z4. Well the company only made it in the literal sense. It's their facility BMW used. They did last z4. The G wagon I believe. And some other mercedes stuff I think. So it's a joint effort between Toyota, BMW, and Magna Steyr. What breaks my heart personally is that the inline 6 is going to be BMWs. Not that they don't know what they are doing as I've previously stated. If I couldn't choose a Toyota inline 6 Id choose a BMWs hands down. But it's even in the Supra. The politics at Toyota are obviously more about money in this project rather than legacy. They had one of the greatest i6 engines in the last supra and they didn't design a new one for this. Oh well. Maybe one day the guy who was going to end up buying a Mark 4 will end up buying this new one and that Mark 4 will be mine.
And yes the overlapping models like 1s and 4s are fucking ridiculous. 3,5,6,7. That's all. Fuck Xs.
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I've taken all the classes ans have the nice plaques and awards and I still agree with both points y'all have because they're undeniably true. When your first step upon pulling a BMW in the shop is to hook a $1000 battery charger up to it so you can actually have the key on for more than twenty minutes without having a dead battery, you know you're working on something different than a car.
They're cars but they're not, I consider them in the same exact class as Lamborghini or Ferrari and their ilk.
Everything is over priced, to really own one and use it like it's designed to be is out of the price range of most people with respectable careers even, yes you get more but you pay way more for that little bit of more and because it's so electronic it's doomed to fail. Lol I totally agree.
I honestly compare walking into the biggest BMW dealership in Houston as a pimply faced 19 year old at just as difficult stress and intellectual wise and almost anything in the medical field.
Not only did I have a steep learning curve of learning to be a mechanic and get the basics down but every week we had a roundtable meeting where they would announce what new technology was coming out and how to fix it. Our paychecks were commission based, if you fixed nothing you made nothing and you're a kid fresh our of school being asked to figure out why something 100x more complicated than the equipment we landed on the moon with isn't working right.
A 1985 obd 1 vehicle is about as complicated as the technology we landed on the moon with. That's 1 power train control module that wasnt even an EEPROM it was only an EPROM. All the instruments hooked into one computer and it ran the calculations.
Today's cars can have three or more separate CAN networks, a fiber optic system for faster response of signal in crashes, and 40+ computers most of which can't communicate with each other they have to go through gateway modules.
Now I'm digressing. Yeah Lexus is way more reliable than bmw. BMW is space machinery on wheels that's why we had such long schooling post automotive school, we already knew how engines worked and ignition systems worked, we needed to know that after the engine was shut off and say the #1 Piston made it to bdc when the mechanical engine actually stopped, well the DME is going to fire off #5,3&6 cylinders after the engine has stopped to make sure any fuel in the intake air charge in those cylinders is burned rather than becoming evaporative emissions.
Tons of things like that, I'm a huge nerd who likes to talk about automotive technology more than fix it because, as anyone who has taken a six week drivelines class can tell you, the human race is made od geniuses. From the first wheel chiseled out of stone to new 8 speed automatic transmissions with additional clutchpacks to disengage the input shaft of the transmission at stop signs and red lights, this let's the torque converter and flywheel spin with less drag at idle reducing emissions.
Again, to the reason why Lexus and BMW are different. Lexus made a smart move staying in the merely nice range. Keep the car Toyota reliable and slap some finish on it. That's a very smart move and a much smarter choice of ownership if you ask me.
However in no world ever is it a BMW. It has half rhe technologies like I listed above because as badass as they are, half of them overall have small gains compared ro the potential cost tag of failure. Like the BMW clutchpack I described above. The other half like the E46 Intake manifold was designed in such a way as to gain slight benefits of forced induction without having turbo or supercharger on it. I forget what it was called, basically it was the befinninfs of their intake manifold designs where when one cylinders Intake valve closed the air charge wasgoing in so fast it sort of ricochets back and when the next cylinder opens it gets it's natural charge plus a little poof from this ricochet. Again, minimal gains, cost thousands of engineering hours to acheive, but they proudly teach us about this as we are looking at an E46 M3 that gets 333hp to the wheel out of a tiny 3.2L naturally aspirated inline six cylinder. Very distinct engine noise when that thing runs due to many things, mainly the fact it was creating 3-4x the power per square inch as my 4.0L inline six Jeep Cherokee just from sheer genius and engineering. Most companies wouldn't spend the R&D money they'd slap a turbo on it and exceed the power we would get thru this.
But that's a good way to explain who I am as a mechanic and why I love BMW. Maybe because they have a race team and every gain in R&D can go to them and the M cars etc, I always thought it was because of superior Aryan race engineering you know, hell the batteries are put in the back of the cars to maintain a 50/50 front to back AND left to right weight ratio. Who else does that? Go ahead, I'll wait. BMW, while not the most reliable or cost efficient choice, is pushing the envelope with every step and using the rich as Guinea pigs to further automotive technology as a whole really and Mercedes is doing the same. But in exchange they have a factory melt down pure gorgeous and they throw buckets of it inside the car in every corner, where Lexus had wood grain strips BMW will have multiple fat strips of more color options including literally white and purple suede that looks baller out of a rap video or you can easily program your M5 to open the sunroof and turn on your blower motor on high speed at 3:50pm every day so when u get out at 4 your car is cool in the Houston hot air. Or the handful of females who rode in my M5 with the M button pressed and all 507 horsepower galloping down a slightly curvy road and when I blip the wheel on purpose just a little the sides of both our seats fold in on the side you were sliding too and hold you dead center on the curve, I never tell them about it I wait until the flirty giggle and they ask what happened. The last girl called them "M5 hugs". It had different settings for fuel, ignition, transmission shift points, suspension stiffness, and turned the heads up display on my windshield when I hit the m button, funnest thing in the world is to gun it up to about 4 or 5 k next to someone, and then hit the m button and you feel the car kick literally like a bull for a second as that instaneous 107 horsepower kicks in as you're holding a solid 4500rpm and then you floor it up to 8250. That sooooooound. So many stories in that car.
When I sat down in the newly released E60 M5 as a punk ass kid in Houston it was immediately apparent I was in no mere car, it's an absolute supercar. Immediately apparent. Even the wood Grain on the door panel was like an albino purplish suede with white in it where the wood grain strips would have been, some extravagant option. The amount of gorgeous they can cram on a door and a dash is awe inspiring.
As a regular guy its simply unrealistic to own anything except a 3 series or maybe a 530. Not even a 550.
So maybe my logic isn't away from yours. It's just a different question.
If I wanted to make a smarter investment I'd go with the Lexus or possibly a new 3 series I'd have to look into it heavily. Honestly though, again, Kia comes in strong bc they're dabbling in nice cars now. Same business model highly reliable but now very focused on comfort and style now. I'll gladly rock a nice Kia/Hyundai over a Lexus bc they will do a cheaper more efficient job of the same thing.
Now if you ask me which ones nicer or which one I prefer (that was the question) or which one is more advanced or which one is more complicated it's hands down BMW.
The nicest Lexus or Acura or whatever is equal to top tier 3 series or mid 5 series imo. A 550, M5, any 6 series, any 7 series, and most Mercedes blow Toyota our of the water for that category. It's canned sardines to trout almondine in luxury or engineering or preference. Anyone that diagrees hasn't soend much time around luxury cars I'd water, everyone has a friend who has a nice car, I was forunate, momentum BMW is next to momentum jaguar and momentum Porsche in Houston and we saw many lambos and Ferraris on trade ins. We would walk over tl the Porsche dealer after hours and smoke cigarettes and yell cat calls in their shop about their water pump being broken and they need to look at it (air cooled Porsche engines, dumb jokes lol just fucking with the other guys you know)
In fact, to my chagrin I'd have to admit Mercedes is nicer than bmw across the board. On every model and I don't think that's arguable.
But I would equally say BMW has infinite more road feel through the pedals and steering wheel and suspension. And through these things the same horsepower feels like more. Again, not arguable imo.
Just like their business model to be one or two heads above every one else (except Mercedes and super cars of various brands), BMW chose to be the ultimate driving machine vs Mercedes ultra luxury.
I'd say the vast majority of ppl I hear talk about cars compare the two like they're equal but that's so far from the truth it's immediately apparent after driving just to or three models of each. Across the board Mercedes has soft suspension aimed as a drug dealers paradise, constantly used as elite limos, slow stylish driving making an entrance.
I don't recall ever seeing a European Mercedes cop car. Dominantly BMW and that's for the suspension alone I bet. Rock hard so u can feel everything and have no loss in cornering is BMWs way.
Mercedes AMG cars you'll see here and there in foreign armored vehicles because it's such a symbol of luxury and wealth but BMW is more common for those applications because out lf the box they're sportier across the board.
I tried to shorten this but I don't know how so who cares it's good reading
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You may want to research Lexus before making claims. They have some of the most advanced tech in engines ever. See the LFA. Even back to the 80s and 90s they were advanced. 1UZFE was very advanced back in its time. Toyota as a company does luxury very well. The new Century makes a 750 look like an aveo. And costs more than any BMW. The logo itself is hand engraved for like 3 months. Lexus only exists because Toyota wanted Americans to differentiate between "common toyotas" and a new luxury brand. Same with Scion. They thought we wanted a hip cool teen brand of cars. When everybody who actually liked cars preferred Toyota badges anyway. They should have just stayed one brand in America.
And no. Just no. There is no pedal to road feel in a bmw. They are all drive by wire. No steering wheel connection to the wheels either so again, it's all engineered to make you think it feels that way. Even the noise in some cars is fake. I don't know if BMW has that. Jag does. Any "road feel" you think you feel is bmw engineers fooling you into thinking you feel one with the road. You say it's not arguable except it is. There is no connection to the road in any modern BMW. It's a computer that lets you point it in a direction. Same could he said about most modern cars. But overpriced luxury cars are even worse.
And no BMW is in the same class as hyper cars like the two you named. It's a luxury/sports car brand. It has never produced a super car the like of a lambo or ferrari. I8, M6, whatever. There's no bimmer that can stand with a Sesto, 458, LaFerrari, Or really any if the 2 brands high end cars.
You need to do more research. Your bias is showing. But luxury in cars is something I feel is waste of money and a byproduct idea weak society softened by capitalism. I don't by a car for s tus or leather or whatever. I buy it for reliability and to use it. If I want to go fast I'll build a 2j or 1uzfe and throw it in a pickup or celica and destroy anything BMW can make for the same price. If I wanted a 450hp BMW. Even a 90s one or early 2000s. I'm spending 30k or so. Put 30k in my wallet and tell me to make some fast toyotas I can have 2 400+ whp vehicles with some shopping. At The end of the day the "ultimate driving machine" is expensive, fragile, excessive, unreliable and trendy. Alot if their work stood this long because it's fantastic engineering. But as a general rule it's overpriced that people who like status symbols buy to look rich.
As far as police cars. It's politics. BMW got the contract for many reasons I bet. AMG is a legend. Maybe moreso than M Division. Them and Cosworth did amazing things.
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Well you must remember when I left, and the BMW that I owned of that period were in many ways not the way new ones are. I expressed my disdain of the way the company went / is going. The vehicles I have immense knowledge of and speak of when I talk we're still very much connected to the road there was drive by wire simultaneous with a physical throttle cable for many years. Probably in more companies than just them during this scary transition in the industry and this happened for several years. Probably fkr thw whole E46 run, if not sinxe at least the facelift on until rhe E90 came out. Do your research before accusing, sir.
I typed a whole argument about how most cars now are all electodnic connections even Hyundai's don't have power steering pump anymore it's all steering wheel angle sensor telling the computer how much to move the steering column worm gear motor, if all cars are that way now, yet cars give different road feels which they do, (same sensors and software in tow different cars but a different gear ratio between worm drive gear and column driven gear and you'll have a massive change in road feel, genius) that means a car can definitely give a "better" road feel than another even with both lacking physical connections.
It can be a very different driving experience, as explained by driving common BMW and common Mercedes models as I said. Different approach to suspension altogether soft ride for drug dealing slow entrances and a tighter feel for hugging corners every single time you drive. M cars and AMG don't count they all have stiff suspensions. Many common Benz do not. My point.
I'm going to step out on a branch here and say you've driven minimal BMWs and Mercedes vehicles maybe one or two. it's showing.
As well as my bias, well of course my bias is showing. We all have favorites, this whole thread Toyota has been yours and BMW has been yours. What a surprise that we come to disagree, but both our biases are showing friend.
As I've said from the beginning I don't keep up with new fanboy literature or watch the the shows or buy the stickers.
Perhaps I am wrong on some current Lexus. I wouldn't say many of them though. Ive never heard of this 3 month engraving a decal you speak of nor do I care - these details are so insignifigant in ones daily life, again it's a reminder of when I was in high school and didn't realize that all tbe magazines and other resources I consumed just to fill the time since I was always bored ans forced to be elsewhere than I wished, filled my brain by osmosis with all these facts about cool stuff I'll never own. But that time for me is long over. Perhaps not for you.
The M5 I was trained on had eight separate throttle bodies I had to synch to each other with a dial indicator and then the master rod was hooked to the throttle assembly. Yes the DME cut the throttle out on me all the time as I drove these E39 m5s around hauling ass but it was a mechanical connection.
Again, I realize I'm the odd man out here. When you eat sleep and breathe these technologies as much as I did when you got off you wanted to go skydiving or mountain biking. I asked my skydiving instructor if he spent his days off at the dropzone with friends doing advanced level shit and he said no he sleeps in late and walks his dog at the beach. Took me a few years to get that but I was a kid back then. Why would I want to read about what Toyota or Chevy does after a full day of juggling two cars in and out of my own two bays all day, pulling a five series in to pull a power seat out, driving out on a five gallon bucket to park it in the lot and pull in another car. It's commission I was a juggling bastard. On my breaks I go around and see what all my friends were fixing each day and bs. Magazines are for the dreamers not the doers.
I don't know who you are or your level of actual world experience, nor do I care. I'm in an opinion thread, about what's "better". It's all bias. I still feel to this day that Lexus is two steps behind BMW and Mercedes in how far they step out and how much they cram in a car, perhaps that's wrong today but it didn't used to be. Perhaps it's an indicator that when asked questions I think in this time capsule of the 2004 time comparison I'm thinking of because again I haven't even heard Lexus' name in years bc simply no one gives a shit about them and no one wants to own them over here I have one buddy who was major fanboy over his '92 and I get that, we were poor and it's a nicer boxier Toyota. Honest to God, around here Lexus is mainly SUVs for blonde housewives theyre as common as infinity cars which is, not very.
Does that mean they don't have badass cars? No. But no one cares that the obscure Mexican restaurant down the road has badass enchiladas either. No one wants to put effort into looking. Truth.
At the end of the day I don't need to do research, it's all irrelevant you asked me a question and then had a strong negative response in all your words. I don't think there's anythibf you said that I couldn't argue on. I may be wrong on new Lexus (and I hate old 7s and esp new 7s prob I hate all new BMWs so again I'll agree with you on all that) but If I felt like arguing I could argue that it's a temporary upswing for them and a downswing for BMW. We are looking at a fifteen year range between two long lived companies that will probably survive longer. And to be honest if you go pre 1990 I think they all looked like crap and what separated luxury from economy was much smaller than it ks today. So that will change as well in tbe Future.
You never know who youre talking to on the internet but I think I've learned my lesson about participating in opinion threads. At tbe end of the day, this "Lexus" company that you speak of that's so great, is nothing more than a collection of design engineers, and mainly, the vision of a select few chief engineers and the big wigs. A "companies" direction, definition of beauty and relevant, etc will all change, and can change quite fast based on just a few personnel changes. It's all temporary. And like I pointed out to you when you confused branding vs iconic cars, when the next chassis model of whatever Lexus you like comes out it's a completely different car. Most likely done under the same team with similar vision, but very much able to have hidden problems not yet discovered and what you may live about them today may be subpar tomorrow or just flat out ugly. That's a problem I have with so many cars I don't care how good it is if it's ugly.
Today I choose to spend the reminder of my time sanding these hardwood floors in order to flip this house I'm living in, I'm wondering if the winds are going to be too high for skydiving over the island this weekend, how my multiple grows are going and whether my buddy can go to the water park with me next week. In no way does any magaizine or TV show enter my day I don't even have tv just a fire stick for movies or late nights. Everything ive learned I was paid to learn whether it was my dad talking over my shoulder as I torques the damshaft caps on a 12V71 Detroit diesel v12 as a teen, which was sold and paid for our skydiving schools or after all the interviews I was selected for the STEP program and they paid for literally Six months of books, tuition and all the teachers salaries and over two million in cars to work on or the years of fclases ive taken by numerous big names in the industry like the hunter wheel alignment class I had that was so badass.
I'm very behind, cars haven't entered my mind besides "what's wrong with my /my friends / this chicks car" and I do a little research and, usually, fix it.
Post 2004 I left the automotive industry and learned almost as much as I know about cars in all the other fields of mechanical I've worked in. Bulldozers, bomags, excavators, ocean fire water pumps for drill rigs, lawn mowers and weed eaters, big ass hydraulic shears for excavators that demo buildings I worked i. A department that modified stock excavators to handle the massive columm of fluid those shears took, tying into the hydraulic circuit, fabricating new lines and hoses. I spent a long time with natural gas compressors, 40,000 cubic inch natural gas engines you crawl inside the crankcase to work on. I was responsible for six thousand horsepower for years and years and there were multiple times when I got called out to fix it and if I didn't within a certain amount of time another station forty miles away would have to wake up and fire their compressors up to maintain line pressure, if the gas gets below a certain pressure even the electric generation facilities go down. Hospitals colleges. These are the biggest consumers out here in the sticks.
Hell for five years I was a lead mechanic of a traveling 2-3 man group that would fly out to Jersey, Cali, NY, wherever, Pennsylvania a lot with the Marcellus shale, and I would guide 18 wheeler gas compressors up on the sides of hills and level them out and hook up to the pipeline and run them. I've changed out 93lb starters in the hail when a unit went down in Illinois, I know the weight because I flew it back home on Southwest, I've been called out for numerous no starts, trained half a dozen of fine mechanics that are still out there flying over our heads right now working in the rain fixing shit.
My confidence cup is full my friend. I have found such wild adventurous jobs within my chosen profession that even in my free time I crave doing the badass.
I was mad when I read your reply but I've reminded myself of who I am through all this and reminded myself that you're probably just some sharp mouthed 17year old like I used to be. 17 year old me would definitely irritate me lol
At rhe end of the day, any fanboy attitudes can change over night because of the many reasons I've stated, it's just tbe vision of a few guys. Each new model comes on a new chassis ans never has enough time to study it's reliability.
Knowing those facts, for me I'd rather get up and live my life. If someone wants to pay me bank to learn their products I'll be the best wrench they have. Until they do it's self induced consumerism to sit there and fanboy and have strong opinions, it's a waste of time to sit there and drink the koolaid.
And with this I'm leaving this thread. I'd much rather learn or teach than get butthurt over short sighted opinions of another.
Good luck to you Gonzo you're pretty sharp I hope you put it to use.
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I haven't read all of this but will later. Check out this race. It's a Zl1 Camaro vs a Dodge Demon. From a roll the Zl1 literally blows it away. I don't understand how a 650 hp car destroys an over 800hp car from a roll like this. I know the Camaro is lighter but not by so much this should happen. The race starts around 10 minutes if you want to skip to it.
I read a little about favorites. Everyone has them. But GM is race proven. They have dominated almost every form of racing at certain times. I don't think they back any racing anymore. At least they didn't 8 years ago. The 5.7 has won more than any engine in history. What engines are put into the most cars? The Chevy small block. From hot rods to Fords to foreign cars now. You cant beat the performance potential, reliability, and value of them. Gm was the biggest car company in the world for 77 years until Toyota took over recently. They have recently came out with active fuel management, four wheel steering, and magnetic adjustable shocks. I just seen a Lamborghini with 4 wheel steering and I think Ferrari and Lamborghini are using the magnetic shocks.
Back in the 90's the big supercars had high horsepower but very low torque. they put up big top speed numbers but the acceleration wasn't all that spectacular. The American cars started coming out with high horsepower and torque forcing them to step up their game.
On youtube the fanboys are hilarious. They can't face the facts. I see Europeans bashing American car interiors. In the reviews from European people they praise the interiors of the Cadillac and others. People that own multiple cars say the ZR1 vette interior is nicer than McLarens and whatever. I seen a video of a guy who traded his GTR for a ZL1. Everyone was saying it's a downgrade. He says it's a much better car. It performs better and in everyday driving it is much nicer. I just seen a comparison between the ZL1 and a Shelby mustang. They said the ZL1 drove like a luxury car. It's a serious track car but drives like a luxury vehicle.
Around 7 years ago I had a Toyota Corolla rental. I hated it. It drove like crap on the highway. Last year I got a Nissan Versa rental. I wanted to take the Kia but the woman I was with wanted the Nissan. The thing had the most uncomfortable seats I have ever sat in. It had no power I almost died trying to pass a semi. Sometimes you would give it gas and it wouldn't accelerate and other times it would. The brakes were also touchy as hell. You would barely touch them and your face would be almost slamming the steering wheel. On the mountain roads the thing sucked up gas like a 60's muscle car. I had a Ford Escape rental last year and I really liked it except for the engine shutting down every time you stopped. Not impressed by the Japanese cars at all.
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Re: Anyone into modifying cars on here? [Re: ds442]
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To clarify about the ridiculous sounding bmw is in same class as Ferrari and lambo part is that unlike most cars even Camaros mustangs, 330s, 530s, the high end M cars and AMG cars everything is built with performance in mind vs reliability amd strength. So for example when I smashed the left side of my m5 into a Concrete median at I dunno maybe 25mph, it totalled out the whole front subframe. The immediate damage I saw was my lower ball joint had separated in the impact, and knowing that all thw suspension and steering components are a tiny sliver of aluminum or magnesium they have zero structural integrity unlike the great hunks of iron that make up upper and lower control arms in a vast array of vehicles.
Regular three and five series already have lightweight control arms but the M cars it's literally just a sliver of aluminum is a really weird angle to give strength in all the right angles and that's it. The bushings weigh considerably more than the link.
The front end of these cars rely much more on rhe engineering angles of operation than by having a large stout piece, to this day I'm shocked at how thin some of these things are.
Any vehicle I was in would have had a screwed up rim and a good chance of a busted ball joint. A lot of vehicles I should have gotten away with a bent rim and lost dignity and no more, drove off. I've wrecked a great many cars lol. Miata for example I bet it wouldn't have done much. Any reliable over the road car built for exonomy would have survived I bet.
But it was a 12,000 accident that required my entire front subframe to be replaced. And the car is so expensive insurance paid it no questions asked.
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I don't know of any other manufacturer except Mercedes and these dream cars we both agree cost 3x as much as the M5 that supply their dealerships with literal $1000 battery chargers wrapped in thick plastic and it's SOP for first thing to plug the car in as soon as we pull in. Again never to be learned unless you're there, but if I wanted to open a shop of my own and wanted it to include servicing BMWs I would need ro double my equient expenses compared to fizing just,a oh I dunno, five or seven other brands with the usual stuff. Including one of those battery chargers for the special AGM batteries BMW runs, the more feature laden cars would have a 12 amp draw sitting there with the key on engine off, that's ridiculous, 12 amps at 12 volts, that's 144 watts of energy just to power up everything and have it all speaking to each other for me to communicate with it.
Most cars you can get away with a snap on scanner amd various obd 2 packs and you'll have access tl everything but BMW any interface that wasn't required by federal law wasn't there, for example I couldn't command the car to sweep it's gauges or roll down the windows or do any of the fommands you usually have access to, I got engine PID data and a snapshot of the conditions of failure if a DTC was set. Minimum govt requirements.
Any independent garages that advertises it works on bummers will have a BMW DIS troubleshooting station inside, this $20k roll around cart houses an oscilloscope, all your probes wires leads for several different diagnostic modes and interfaces, and you plug the car directly into this large computer. With the DIS you could practically command it to dance. I have never once in my life used a scope to diagnose anything besides a BMW.
Never once in my life seen a Toyota shop (used to go over to a Toyota shop daily for two weeks as our wheel alignment rack was down and we used theirs) that had a scope. Every single bimmer shop will have one per every few techs.
Have you ever sat in a lambo? They cost 200k plus across the board amd have uncomfortable cheap plastic interiors. The senior mechanics at BMW who had more experience told me they're notorious for having vents break and knobs ans cigarette lighter and it costs a fortune to get your replacent cheap part.
It's all geared for perfomance from the ground up. But if you look closely, it's not that much better than many AMG models or M cars. It's impressive what the Germans can do on a racetrack while aimultany weighing down the dash and door panels with four pounds of premium Italian leather.
The knobs and switches work, and look good doing it. I feel that they are the same value of purchase (I said earlier same class) as most lambo and any bare boned Ferrari. Ferraris get lush and have legendary racing pedigree but the lambos are crap for the money. And what BMW didn't contribute on their own as competition towarsa Ferrari they reverse engineered and now have comparable technology. The SMG transmission was based off Ferrari racing trans.
M5 has extremely lightweight space age suspension components that bend under a harsh insult, still has minimal skin thick ess all around. Unlike a sporty 330 that gets side smacked or maybe even a z roadster, the high end m cars are fragile bc of the extreme engineering required to get all that weight moving at such a pace and are crippled in tbe same situation.
Replacing those parts costs exponentially what another BMW model or common car mod would cost, the equipment needed for day to day operations of repairs is vastly different,and special tools. Oh my, special tools.
At Chevy we had a handful of special tools back then. That's probably way different now but it was mainly scanners. Ball joint tools the usual.
BMW there is a tool for everything and again you'd have to buy half of them to repair them and it's just crazy. Again it's like space machinery on wheels.
Ever done a rear wheel bearing on an E46? Ita crazy unnecessary and space age like. Where's the Chevy 3 bolts on the back side and we're done???
All these reasons separate the high end BMWs from any Lexus I've heard of and most of the vehicles period. It's Not really good things either, it's not bragging rights it's simple facts. Unfortunate ones Imo.
I absolutely compare high end BMW and Mercedes to almost any lambo and several bare knuckle supercars for the reasons listed.
So unclassy of me to get offended in here I need to get out more. These are conversations that I could see completely differently based on how much experience I had out there and then there's the whole "better" thing too. Y'all a good night
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Re: Anyone into modifying cars on here? [Re: ds442]
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I was trying to avoid this getting into what company was the best but it happened. I seen comments and just ignored them.
I was born in the 70's. I have been around performance vehicles since I was 16. I have also always worked on my cars. Where did I state that all foreign cars are crap. I stated that everyone believes foreign cars are better. It is evident by how many you see on the road much more than American cars. As for sports cars I see more Camaros than anything. The Camaro ZL1 is 650 hp. The ZR1 vette is 755 hp. Americans have been tuning cars since the day after the model t rolled of the line. I was trying to find the Lexus engine you were referring to as the most tuning potential. I didn't and didn't feel like looking anymore. What is the displacement on that? The new GM small blocks are 6.2. There is no replacement for displacement. There are so many parts for GM engines from proven companies. I really don't see many fast foreign cars when I go to the track. I live near Route 66 where they have the NHRA nationals and Nascar races there. Where are they all at? The fastest I have seen a Japanese car at the track is low 13's. I see street Camaros, vettes and mustangs running 9's and lower. I know they are out there. I see all these younger people with civics with a muffler thinking they have a fast car. Do a search on youtube for ricers talking crap. They are hilarious. They don't know crap about cars and just tell lies.
When I had the G8. After I took it to the track. I told my boss I ran an 11.8 He was like all the foreign cars are running 10's. Where are they? If I put slicks on my car I would have been in the 10's. I put the smallest supercharger available for it and exhaust. I could of put a cam in it and made the same power for maybe 800 with exhaust. That is nothing. Not even close to the potential of that engine. It was a 6.0. The newer ones are 6.2. You can make crazy power with them. With the LS1 heads,cam, and exhaust put you in the 9's that was a 5.7. When I was at the track a guy with an LS1 Camaro ran a low 10 and they kicked him off the track. All he had was a supercharger. I have yet to see any foreign engine with the tuning potential of an American one when you consider reliability but I haven't really been looking lately.
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Humble Newcomer said: That trans am is siiiiiiiiiick I wasn't aware anyone was doing this.
90k on the Oldsmobile 442, you're talking buying one that's already been rebuilt?
You can find a lot of sweet older cars to restore yourself for 12k or less, many not in bad shape.
I don't chase collector cars and I know the older more rare ones are more but I can't see 90k I dont love any car that much.
I'd have to get stupid rich to change my value system.
Id like to spend about 6500 on a sweet Monte Carlo or Cutlass supreme or something and half restore it. El Camino. Sweet little beater for a few years, little exhaust, clean ass paint job shiny muscle rims those $50 ones with the holes in them
The 442 is all original with under 10,000 miles. I don't have that kind of money now otherwise I would. I would never buy a car just to sit in the garage. I would drive it in nice weather and beat on it. I seen another one the same with 40,000 some miles for 24,000 all original. I don't know what kind of work it needed.
The cutlass is bad ass. I love the 80's cutlass as well. I had one. My first car was a 79 Olds Delta 88 with the 350 rocket. I would put a new tire on every month. One day I just bought a new tire and did a burnout. I didn't even brake torque. It just smoked it all the way down the block. I was driving and heard a noise from the tire. I got out and looked. The belts were sticking out. I beat the crap out of that car. I was young and didn't care. I didn't change the oil for 4 years and a crank bearing went.
My friend in high school had a 72 442 with the 350. Blue with white stripes. It was a nice car.
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Re: Anyone into modifying cars on here? [Re: ds442]
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Damn these replies are getting long. And no. I'm not 17. But I get an idea of your age since you jump to calling someone 17 when they disagree with you on the internet about cars. If you're going to have such strong opinions that come out of left field then prepare for strong pushbacks. You can be a BMW fan all you want and it's cool that you have so much knowledge and training. But someone can call you biased (cause it's true) and you can not get offended and call them 17. You admit yourself you don't know anything about alot of stuff but you follow with strong opinions on that stuff.
@ds yeah that small block is as ubiquitous as it gets. Fun fact. The Nissan r32 had 4 wheel steering in the 90s. I was blown away by that. I also never said anything about a Lexus engine with the most tuning potential. I said a 2jz is one of the most tunable and proven engines around. I don't know how you couldn't find it if I literally told you what's it was called. The only Lexus I mentioned is the 1uzfe. A 4.0 liter v8. Never claimed it had the most anything. In every case an ls engine is better for power. A 1uzfe is just cool and if you're not wanting 500+hp it's a great swap choice. It can make 1000 but an ls engine can do that SO much cheaper. It's easy to throw anyone who doesn't like American cars into the ricer category but it's false. I love American muscle. It's just not the best. I hate the civic you speak of. But when there are 800 hp 4 cylinder K series out there the ole saying "there's no replacement for displacement" really shows it's age. Yes there is. Power to weight ratio. Gearing. Torque curve. You said it yourself. You have no idea how a demon lost to a zl1. Cause the zl1 is a better car. Lighter. Better power band. And less displacement no? And it's also easy to act like I'm taking about corollas and shit when I say I like toyota. I don't care how shitty a rental toyota was. I'm not a Corolla guy. I'm talking about the serious performance toyotas and the quirky little cult ones. I don't care about how shitty a rental Corolla was or who drives a Lexus suv or new Lexus sedan. I'm taking about one Lexus v8 from the 90s and a handful of Toyota models also form the 80s and 90s.
You just showed why you can't seem to find anything showing foreign cars potential. You were born in the 70s. You don't know where to look and you don't care. They are literally everwhere. Its hard not to come across 10 "1000 HP supra runs 9s" videos now a days. Anything with a 2jz, or a k or b series, 4g63, sr20, rb26 and many more can run 10 or 9s. I've seen 8 second runs with several different Japanese engines. I've seen 7s too. Every car that's not American isn't a ricer. When I was 17 about a decade ago I had the same sentiment. Only muscle. HP is king. Foreign cars are lame. No replacement blah blah. Then I opened my eyes and started paying attention to the world around me. A 3.0 inline 6 can make 1000 hp easier than some v8s. A 4 cylinder can runs 10s easy.
I have no doubt you've been around cars longer than me. Than I've been alive probably. That just means your set deeper into your biases. American v8s are far from being the only fast cars at tracks. There are Japanese cars destroying American cars all over the world and Americans getting butthurt over it. Just like there are hilarious ricer videos where the guy in a cavalier and a muffler talks about how many turbos he has. I understand you don't think they exist cause they aren't all at your local track but remember. The auto world isn't localised around you. An actual search would show you everything I've been taking about.
Here you go. It took me 5 minutes max. 6 second 4 cylinder datsun 510. Displacement is overrated.
And a 5 second 2JZ
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I know there are fast foreign cars. I keep up with what's going on in the auto world. Like I stated before I respect all fast cars. It's just a lot of people think that the Japenese cars are the shit especially since Fast and Furious. It's like what my boss said. 10 seconds like the foreign cars. Shit American cars have been running 10's and faster since the 50's if not earlier. I can show videos of Hemis running 4's. Top fuel dragsters. They only last 1 pass. The more displacement the cheaper it is to make power. American cars are proven for a long time.
Here are some cool facts about top fuel dragsters. It takes 900 hp to run their superchargers.
The headers stick straight up. The exhaust produces 1,100 pounds of down force.
They burn 14 gallons of nitro methane in 1 pass.
0 to 330 in 4.5 seconds or faster. I would love to drive 1 once. Imagine the g forces.
I just waxed my car today. Check out the shine. The bird on the sail panel. Now there is one from every view. I love black but it is so hard to keep looking good. Every speck of dirt and water spot stands out.
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Re: Anyone into modifying cars on here? [Re: wolfiewolfie]
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wolfiewolfie I just checked out your vid. You have some skill. I love going sideways around turns. You get the leak fixed?
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Damn it's hot. 96 and humid. Heat index 105+. Tomorrow hotter. Glad my AC works.
I just got done watching Buick, Pontiac, Olds muscle cars. Got it from Netflix. That's right you rice eating and euro trash f***s. Real cars. 4.0 sounds like a good lawnmower engine. My go cart has a 454. I seen some thing a while ago guys racing riding lawnmowers. Redneck stuff. Hilarious.
The guy from my classic car was the host. The old dude with the big curled mustache. A guy I used to work with his Chevelle was on that show.
There was a 69 GTO Ram V Judge. Rated at 375 hp. He said they dyno from 500 to 525 hp. All those cars in 1970 were rated at 425 hp. They were underrated for insurance reasons. After 1970 they pretty much sucked.
Whoever said they would like an El Camino. There was a 71 GMC something with an s. Just like the El Camino. I didn't even know they had those. It was the first year for them. 454 pretty sweet. Holden GM's Australian division made a El Camino like vehicle around 2008. Same engine as the G8 I think.
I was on a forum today. The record for the fastest LT1 fbody bolt ons with drag radials is 12.08. That is pretty good. I think I would run a 13.5 at least with the 275's. When it's warm they hook good with just a little wheel spin. When it's under 50 they spin like crazy. I had them spinning till 50 when I had to let off otherwise I would have been off the road. It's crazy how temperature makes that much difference. Plus you are making more power when it's colder.
So I posted how I messed up my tail light. Got a used 1 for 125 shipped. They don't make them new but you can get all the other lights for it new. so the one I got was tinted factory. I think they came on the Firehawk's. Not sure. So I bought some vinyl tint. Didn't like it. Got some spray peel off tint. Looked alright but still didn't match. Got another tail light for 180 shipped. 300 for a messing up my tail light. Any one want to buy a firebird tail light? It's history. You can hang it on your wall. Maybe I will put it on Craigslist. In 20 years maybe it will be worth a 1000.
So a couple months after I got my car the oxygen sensor went bad. I put a Bosch one in. 1 year 1 month later it goes bad again. 1 month out of warranty. They recommend replacing them every 60,000 miles. So I did some searching and some guy said Shell and Chevron gas is bad for oxygen sensors because of all the extra additives they put in. I used Shell because I had a card where I get 5 cents off a gallon. I stopped using Shell. I get slow response o2 sensor codes sometimes because of the long tube headers. No big deal just clear it. Since I stopped using Shell I hardly ever get the codes anymore and I have noticed I get way better fuel millage. Now I can beat on it a little more.
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Re: Anyone into modifying cars on here? [Re: ds442]
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That's odd... never heard that before.. maybe it's just older o2 sensors? I've used Shell and Chevron exclusively for the past ~10 years or so and my last 3 or 4 cars, because they are constantly rated as the best of the top tier fuel.. but haven't had any o2 sensors go bad or anything, all modern cars though. That's the Trans am you're talking about yeah?
Man, I'm loving this heat (haha). Mainly because of my water/meth kit, it's glorious. Sitting at a red light, watching my Intake Air Temps on the P3 gauge.. sitting at around 105F Light goes green.. launch... WOT... meth kicks on and watch the IATs plummet from 105F - 75 or 80F in a matter of seconds. Engine definitely seems to appreciate the cooler temps as well as the additional fuel. Water/Meth has the added bonus of helping keeping the engine internals clean and preventing knock and detonation. It's another complicated system that could go wrong and adds another maintenance point, definitely not for everyone.. but I'm loving it.
My next upgrade is going to be a multi-port injection kit and upgraded LPFP. That will give me 4 more injectors, spraying fuel on the backs of the valves (currently ONLY direct injection), so will give some extra HP and more fueling capabilities for pushing higher HP numbers AND carbon cleaning power.
After that I'm most likely going to have the head ported/polished and upgraded valves and springs, before I get some serious valve float and throw some valves... need it with the power I'm pushing, the stock head wasn't designed with this much power in mind. Have almost doubled the HP the car came with stock.
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Re: Anyone into modifying cars on here? [Re: Shroomism]
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I was waiting for the top fuel dragsters to make their way here haha yes I'm very familiar with those and how insanely powerful and fast they are. Watch Hoonigan visit a funny car championship shop and listen to Leah Pritchett describe the HEMIS they use. Nothing..NOTHING comes close to that. As a huge foreign car fan I will say that will dead ass confidence. 11,000 hp. Crank lasts 5 passes max. Often just 1. Main Bearings are considered "consumables" which is hilarious. Nothing outsidethe states touches that.
I totally concede to your point. As a general rule of thumb Japanese cars have the worst fans. After fast and furious it got bad. But like I said. I'm a HUGE muscle car guy. But over the years doing the same with less cylinders and bulletproof reliability (not saying there aren't bulletproof American v8s) kind of stole me away from the big heavy and alot of times wasteful American cars. Granted my dream JDM car will never compare to a GTO Judge as far as sound and just pure badassness. Along with several v8s American beauties. But if I were to have only one car it would definitely be a 72 celica with a 2jz. If I could have 2 then the second would be something American. Or at least something American inside something Japanese British or german. After all one of the most legendary men made one of most legendary cars by following that formula. Carroll shoved a Ford v8 into a little ACE and boom....427 AC Cobra. Fuck anything Japanese or German or Martian if there's an AC Cobra or a Shelby Daytona in front of me.
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This is the first moment I've ever hated the fact I have a ohc motor....just thinking about replacing my head gasket makes my head hurt. side note my a/c also stopped working and it's 90+ lol
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Re: Anyone into modifying cars on here? [Re: HappyHigh]
#25310358 - 07/05/18 05:32 PM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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My current car never had AC and for a while neither did my apartment and it's over 100 regularly. I feel your pain.
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The other day I was sitting at a light making a left. I look in the mirror and a LS1 Trans Am pulls up behind me. I could hear his exhaust and could tell he had a cam. Sounded sick.
So I turn and gun it. He was at least 4 cars behind me and when I hit 80 he was at least 8 cars ahead of me.
I pull up next to him and he says nice car. I was like you too. I asked what he had done to it. He said heads, cam, exhaust, and nitrous. I'm sure he didn't even use the nitrous. Those things are badass.
I put on one stripe and it looked lame. So no stripes. I put a Trans Am windshield sticker on that looks pretty good.
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#25343896 - 07/24/18 07:50 AM (5 years, 6 months ago) |
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No AC in your apartment when it's 100 would suck.
Here's a short vid of me doing a doughnut. Love the exhaust sound.
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Gotta love them doughnuts! That one looked like some whiplash was involved haha a girl I went to high school with had a trans am just like that but black with the bird on the hood. It was her dad's but she got to keep it.
I need a garage so bad. I have so many plans in my head.
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Yeah it really spun around fast. I think it's making at least 350 lbs of torque. If I had somebody filming I would get down better.
You don't need a garage. I used to do all kinds of stuff to my 87 Iroc in my apartment parking lot. I would run an extension cord out to my air compressor. Get er done.
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Re: Anyone into modifying cars on here? [Re: ds442]
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I got to drive a 2017 Dodge Charger 392 Hemi Scat Pack. It was white. I really liked the look of it. It sounded awesome. He wasn't really knowledgeable so I don't know what was done to it. When you let off it made a nice low rumble and popping sound. In manual shift mode it shifts fast. Nice! It would definitely smoke my car off the line. It's 485 HP. Nice car! The only bad thing is you can't turn the traction control all the way off. That sucks. You can probably change it with a tune.
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Re: Anyone into modifying cars on here? [Re: ds442]
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Yeah I do actually need a garage. Cant pull out and reinstall a tranny and an engine and rear end on an angled driveway. Or at least not in any way I'm willing to. Flat ground is a must for me. I dont like worrying the whole time. And my apartment doesn't allow major work on cars. Engine swaps and rebuilds count as major work haha
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I played with a 2018 Jaguar F Type today. It was a red convertible. We were messing around for a while.
I got to the forest preserves where the speed limit goes up to 50 and the road has some curves. The Jag fell behind in traffic. I get an opening and hammer down and a VW follows. I don't know what kind he was in my rear view getting smaller. I had it up to 110. Next light it's me the VW and The Jaguar behind him. I floor it and of course I dusted the VW. The Jaguar caught me when I hit 90. It was a nice looking car. Good times.
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What kind of car is it?
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Gonzo the Eternal said: Yeah I do actually need a garage. Cant pull out and reinstall a tranny and an engine and rear end on an angled driveway. Or at least not in any way I'm willing to. Flat ground is a must for me. I dont like worrying the whole time. And my apartment doesn't allow major work on cars. Engine swaps and rebuilds count as major work haha
I hear you I have all the tools to pull motor and replace my blown head gasket and no drive way to do it in.
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Re: Anyone into modifying cars on here? [Re: ds442]
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ds442 said: I played with a 2018 Jaguar F Type today. It was a red convertible. We were messing around for a while.
I got to the forest preserves where the speed limit goes up to 50 and the road has some curves. The Jag fell behind in traffic. I get an opening and hammer down and a VW follows. I don't know what kind he was in my rear view getting smaller. I had it up to 110. Next light it's me the VW and The Jaguar behind him. I floor it and of course I dusted the VW. The Jaguar caught me when I hit 90. It was a nice looking car. Good times.
I fucking love jags. Mainly the e type and the new f types. They have an exhaust note like nothing else. Gorgeous too. But I would never own a Jag. Awful rep as far as reliability. But I'm jealous. I got to drive the v6 convertible l, also red, but for all of 100 feet when I did an inspection on it. I would have loved to get to 110 like you.
And it's an 88 Toyota pickup. I'm rebuilding the 22re in it and dropping a Marlin Crawler tranny and HD clutch kit. Mildly built little motor. Gonna be my daily/toy/work rig. Me and the lady are looking at places to move in together and I see one with a garage which looks to be the one. Hopefully we can make it happen and I'll actually get to make all my projes in my head a reality. Ls swaps and shit for days.
@ds442 what do you do that gives you the opportunity to be in all these nice cars?
@happy the worst haha knowing it can be done but you have no place to do it. That's been my life for like 3 years haha
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yeah I just cut the lawn for a reason to crank and move it 30 ft hehe
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I would find any reason to go sit in my truck for a few minutes haha looking for a told or a part or something but really just sitting and fantasizing about finishing it haha
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I feel you man I worked on my car 2 years, got 200 miles and blew a head gasket on first pass at track. I was using a mail order tune and I should have gotten a dyno tune simple. My cam is a drag cam have full edelbrock intake and a 4.10 rear was just to much for a hand held tuner.
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My truck has 4.10s too haha but damn that sucks about your headgasket. You got head studs?
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Yup when I did the build got reusable ARP everything. I'm just hoping that when the seal blew that my piston and valve didn't hit each other. i don't think they did but you never know...
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One thing I'm thankful to toyota for is they use alot of non interferance engines.
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ds442 said: I played with a 2018 Jaguar F Type today. It was a red convertible. We were messing around for a while.
I got to the forest preserves where the speed limit goes up to 50 and the road has some curves. The Jag fell behind in traffic. I get an opening and hammer down and a VW follows. I don't know what kind he was in my rear view getting smaller. I had it up to 110. Next light it's me the VW and The Jaguar behind him. I floor it and of course I dusted the VW. The Jaguar caught me when I hit 90. It was a nice looking car. Good times.
I fucking love jags. Mainly the e type and the new f types. They have an exhaust note like nothing else. Gorgeous too. But I would never own a Jag. Awful rep as far as reliability. But I'm jealous. I got to drive the v6 convertible l, also red, but for all of 100 feet when I did an inspection on it. I would have loved to get to 110 like you.
And it's an 88 Toyota pickup. I'm rebuilding the 22re in it and dropping a Marlin Crawler tranny and HD clutch kit. Mildly built little motor. Gonna be my daily/toy/work rig. Me and the lady are looking at places to move in together and I see one with a garage which looks to be the one. Hopefully we can make it happen and I'll actually get to make all my projes in my head a reality. Ls swaps and shit for days.
@ds442 what do you do that gives you the opportunity to be in all these nice cars?
@happy the worst haha knowing it can be done but you have no place to do it. That's been my life for like 3 years haha
You posted about the Toyota truck I didn't know it was you.
I like the 50's Jags and the newer ones. Hate the 80's and 90's. My dad had a 50's Jag. Red convertible. It was a 6 cyl. Nice looking car. It just sat in the garage. He never drove it.
I didn't get to drive the Jag. I raced it. The charger was my neighbor's friends. He just asked if I wanted to drive it. Hell yeah.
There was a small car show by me Sat. Nice 65 impala, 67 GTO, and a 72 Chevelle. A few sweet newer vettes too.
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My buddy is a tech at a Chevy dealership here and he was showing me the new zr1. Wow. The last zr1 was a fucking monster but now it's just a flat out supercar. Definitely up to par with most supercar makers.
An old 60s e type is top 3 most beautiful cars in my opinion. The other 2 have the same shape haha
I really need to get out to more car shows and the drags. I could use some car therapy.
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