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Ghana grow - minimalist method in the tropics
    #25109940 - 04/03/18 12:13 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Hello all, its been a while. Hope everyone is well.

So, I'm in this country called Ghana and I don't think there's a pressure cooker with a 10 or 15 psi weight anywhere. I also have some culture slants that I sent over from home. Agar....nowhere in the country,
butane lighter, same problem...scalpel, what's that? the possibility for mushroom production slim...but there is a way. I want to describe the methods I will use to  hopefully produce mushrooms.

The keys - cardboard, cassava peels, and a still air box.

So I want to start with culture slants to cardboard. Scalpel is going to just have to be a small skinny knife. For flame sterilization. The gas cylinder my wife cooks with. Spray bottle with soap and water to clean the SAB.

Cardboard pasteurized and will put some pieces in a small plastic container with a hole at the top stuffed with cotton, just like a pp5 but not ziplock brand, some shit thing from China. Cardboard does work, I tested it with some oyster butts and that mushroom grown by termites with the long tail, its everywhere here now the rains have started and its delicious. Both are taking to the cardboard well.

My spawn is going to have to be all cardboard, without a pressure cooker grains are difficult to get contam free...tried with the barrel and a lid for three and four hours with little success.  So I will try bags of cardboard spawn, I know the lack of nutrition is an issue but I have to make due...there is a lab in the capital that produces spawn but I don't want to be dependent on them nor do they have the species that I have.

So far, from culture slants to cardboard to more cardboard spawn and maybe even multiply that to make more...cardboard spawn.

From there, I think I'll get some cassava peels from a gari producer. Gari is dried and ground cassava. I will dry them and then pasteurize them. From there, either clear bags with ties on the top or old paint buckets, similar to this found at home depot.

My issue is saving the culture, sure I have slants but I'm wondering how long culture can survive on cardboard? I want to limit the amount of times I take from the slants so to have a good sized bucket full of colonized cardboard at the ready would be ideal. Since its a wood product would it last long in a fridge? Then I could simply take some put and make more spawn. This method also reduces the need for a lab since cardboard is quite contam resistant and the cassava peels is like using straw...inoculate in open air.

Any thoughts, advise, guidance, or questions are welcomed in this my new mushroom adventure.


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Re: Ghana grow - minimalist method in the tropics [Re: anthiawe]
    #25111110 - 04/03/18 02:08 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

:takingnotes:


When I tried growing on cardboard I noticed that it's painfully slow, maybe I didn't make it the right way. It works well for you?

You could sterilize grains at atmospheric pressure, but you'll more time (15h at least). I didn't tried it yet, I would need a stainless steel float valve on my drum in order to not run dry, or a separate boiler. I heard from people soaking the grain overnight, and then bagging and sterilizing at low pressure for long time (15 h). As you don't have sterile lab, you should seal the bags before sterilizing them. If you could use grains, for inocultating the bags you could use a SAB or doing it at open air trought LC with a syringe (but you would need to start from a clean LC and do new special lids for making more LC) :justdontknow:

Anyway, it's seems hard to grow with these conditions, but more rewarding if you succeed. I'm interested on learning these kind of low tech methods that are applied on such countries. Good luck man!


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Re: Ghana grow - minimalist method in the tropics [Re: Inocybe]
    #25111567 - 04/03/18 04:50 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

In order to use cardboard you will need to lime bathe it, like straw. Brown card is acidic, and can be made using chemicals.
You should use organic based cardboard, or at least non-toxic card. I suggest you lime bathe the card (pH 12+).

The hydrated lime (not the fruit) will decay the acids, and some of the chemicals.
Water saturation from the initial bath will also reduce chemicals.

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https://barefoot-foods.com/2017/01/09/growing-myshrooms-sterilizing-with-hydrated-lime/

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Make sure the water is boiling hot, add the lime, then the card.


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Re: Ghana grow - minimalist method in the tropics [Re: Ferather]
    #25111589 - 04/03/18 05:00 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Surely they have the super simple pressure cookers. My brother spent time in coubtry so I will ask if he has any leads. I imagine millet is bountiful and easier to heat up to adequate core temp. Worst case perhaps use cakes for spawn


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Re: Ghana grow - minimalist method in the tropics [Re: Failboat]
    #25112215 - 04/03/18 09:23 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Ok he says go to #5 Osu Ray, there's an indian restaurant there. Ask them about pressure cookers


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Re: Ghana grow - minimalist method in the tropics [Re: Failboat]
    #25112442 - 04/03/18 11:07 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Inocybe said:
:takingnotes:


When I tried growing on cardboard I noticed that it's painfully slow, maybe I didn't make it the right way. It works well for you?

You could sterilize grains at atmospheric pressure, but you'll more time (15h at least). I didn't tried it yet, I would need a stainless steel float valve on my drum in order to not run dry, or a separate boiler. I heard from people soaking the grain overnight, and then bagging and sterilizing at low pressure for long time (15 h). As you don't have sterile lab, you should seal the bags before sterilizing them. If you could use grains, for inocultating the bags you could use a SAB or doing it at open air trought LC with a syringe (but you would need to start from a clean LC and do new special lids for making more LC) :justdontknow:

Anyway, it's seems hard to grow with these conditions, but more rewarding if you succeed. I'm interested on learning these kind of low tech methods that are applied on such countries. Good luck man!





Cardboard retains a lot of moisture when its soaked, if its not drained to the right moisture content you'll get slow growth.
15hour sterilization is a bit too long, the gas or firewood required for mass production would be too much
These low tech methods are not applied here, it is only me trying to do it to avoid the long search and high costs of certain equipment.

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Ferather said:
In order to use cardboard you will need to lime bathe it, like straw. Brown card is acidic, and can be made using chemicals.
You should use organic based cardboard, or at least non-toxic card. I suggest you lime bathe the card (pH 12+).

The hydrated lime (not the fruit) will decay the acids, and some of the chemicals.
Water saturation from the initial bath will also reduce chemicals.

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[url=https://barefoot-foods.com/2017/01/09/growing-myshrooms-sterilizing-with-hydrated-lime/]https://barefoot-foods.com/2017/01/09/growing-myshrooms-sterilizing-with-hydrated-lime/[/url

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Make sure the water is boiling hot, add the lime, then the card.





Lime is not necessary. I have plenty mycelium growing on cardboard already. It may make a more ideal condition for mycelium but it still works fine without

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Ok he says go to #5 Osu Ray, there's an indian restaurant there. Ask them about pressure cookers[/quote
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OSU is in the capital, about 7 hours away from me now. To not have to use a pressure would be ideal for my situation right now, has your brother heard of brong ahafo region?  Also, so many have stated that without a pressure cooker mushroom cultivation can't be done, I now believe thats not exactly true. You are also correct about millet, tons are produced here as well as sorghum, but they all need sterilization.

Thanks all for the inputs, the minimalist method, I believe, will not require any form of sterilization. Not for spawn, not for substrate. Its a bit of a different approach than perhaps we are used to. I will update with some pics once things are moving. Right now its all theoretical.


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Re: Ghana grow - minimalist method in the tropics [Re: anthiawe]
    #25113713 - 04/04/18 01:16 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

You probably have organic (non-toxic) card if you have good growth without modification, that's good news.
When I tried with card, even enriched, the growth was terrible in comparison to modded pine.

Card, enriched, pH 5.5, probably full of chemicals | Pine, enriched, pH ~7.2.

   

   

Same container, same position.


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