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Re: Will Trump make two years in office? Yes or no? [Re: Psilynut2]
#25100955 - 03/29/18 10:51 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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And who wouldn't fuck Stormy ten years ago? Really?
I would fuck Stormy tomorrow , I would just do the same thing Trump does, close my eyes and think about Ivanka .
Do people really believe this nonsense? lol
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Re: Will Trump make two years in office? Yes or no? [Re: Asclepius]
#25101614 - 03/30/18 07:59 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Asclepius said: As corrupt as Trump is, politicians in D.C. (generally speaking) are not much better. The good thing about Trump, as much as I despise the guy, is his ability to let the American people take a glance through the window of what Washington politics genuinely look like behind closed doors, albeit because he is a fool. I think Trump is nothing more than an exaggerated version of the system that was already in place prior to his coming into office. Nevertheless, I believe Trump is making too many people much richer for him to be brought down.
This is an insightful opinion. But I think if Trump can't rein in his more extreme tendencies the Republican Party may want him out fearing long term fallout. Trump is great for the Democrats. You are of course correct that rich people like the tax cuts, deregulation etc. We'll have to see if the tarrifs turn out to be a glaring mistake that significantly raises the price of consumer goods for the average voter.
Personally I would hate to see Pence as President. What's interesting is assuming he finishes this term, will the GOP support a major challenge to Trump in the primaries. I'm old and I can't remember the last time that happened. I think the Dems win in 2020 but they will need a candidate, and they have fucked that up quite a few times.
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Re: Will Trump make two years in office? Yes or no? [Re: Brian Jones] 1
#25101627 - 03/30/18 08:10 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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I think the biggest problem facing the democrats isn't necessarily a candidate so much as it is timeline. As you mentioned, tariffs will effect consumer goods, just like overheating the economy will likely lead to a slump. The question is: when? If consumer goods prices shoot up in 2021, well, Trump will already be president. Same with if the economy crashes in 2021.
Voters are notoriously short-sighted. It seems to me that Trump is playing a lot of cards with the intention of getting the benefits before 2020, and with the intention of the costs not kicking in until after the 2020 election, at which point it doesn't really matter. As long as he can hold it together until 2020, Republicans will keep congress and his buddies will get richer.
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Re: Will Trump make two years in office? Yes or no? [Re: Kryptos]
#25103934 - 03/31/18 08:09 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Does Trump automatically get the Republican nomination?
Chances are, Trump will involve us in a war. A lot of big players may not feel certain about taking 'risks' with a new nomination.
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Re: Will Trump make two years in office? Yes or no? [Re: Patlal]
#25107927 - 04/02/18 06:45 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Patlal said: As of now, Trump is going on 8 years based on the opposition strength.
Once the mid term elections are over, I will be able to readjust my prediction
This.
The opposition is stupid. The democrats cheated Bernie and then have spent the time since the election blaming Russia, with no evidence, for their own incompetence and blindness.
Trump is too easy to be used so he will continue to be. Plus, although he probably hates a lot of being in office, him and his family certainly enjoy perks from the job.
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Re: Will Trump make two years in office? Yes or no? [Re: Kryptos] 2
#25107994 - 04/02/18 07:48 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Kryptos said: I think the biggest problem facing the democrats isn't necessarily a candidate so much as it is timeline. As you mentioned, tariffs will effect consumer goods, just like overheating the economy will likely lead to a slump. The question is: when? If consumer goods prices shoot up in 2021, well, Trump will already be president. Same with if the economy crashes in 2021.
Voters are notoriously short-sighted. It seems to me that Trump is playing a lot of cards with the intention of getting the benefits before 2020, and with the intention of the costs not kicking in until after the 2020 election, at which point it doesn't really matter. As long as he can hold it together until 2020, Republicans will keep congress and his buddies will get richer.
Yes, timing is everything and the voters are short-sighted (if not stupid). I think the tariffs (if they actually go through which isn't official yet) will effect prices rather quickly. The Chicago Tribune (a traditionally Republican leaning newspaper) just published an editorial saying expect higher newspaper prices because most pulp wood for paper is imported. Print news is becoming a bit archaic, so that probably isn't the best example. But as soon as we act the other countries will counteract. I don't think it's politically feasible for Trump to strategically delay the tariffs long enough to not effect the 2020 election.
I think this whole Wall thing is going to come back an bite Trump in the ass. Most knowledgeable people know there will never be an actual significant wall, and whatever is built will be payed for by us. Even a wall for show is unfeasible because so much of the land is privately owned and imminent domain proceedings take years, and they are very unpopular in principle even if it's not your land being taken.
One area where your point on timing particularly rings true is the tax cuts. Even though they benefit the rich we all like getting a little bit more on our paychecks. The price we will pay for the deficit caused by massive spending and tax cuts is deferred till later except for those astute enough to see the obvious writing on the wall.
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Re: Will Trump make two years in office? Yes or no? [Re: Brian Jones]
#25108836 - 04/02/18 03:21 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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It's interesting you bring up tax cuts. Who has *actually* seen a benefit? Paul Ryan said 90% of wage workers in the US should see a benefit by last month. I saw a poll recently that put the number in the 30s.
I've seen a small benefit, to the tune of I can't really tell whether it was tax cuts or the rising economy and low unemployment. Few percent, maybe. Definitely not the corporate reinvestment in workers that was promised.
Another factor is this: Trump has, for better or for worse, both polarized the US political sphere, making it much more "vote with the tribe", and brought politics to the public eye. More people are paying attention, and more people have strong ideas. Now the question becomes, how many people on a self-reported poll are willing to claim that their paychecks increased when they haven't, simply because that's the party line?
And how many of those people will claim it over and over until they themselves believe it? 2% increase wasn't yearly inflation increase, it was tax cuts. Or maybe they didn't even get the 2% salary bump, but still claim their paychecks are bigger?
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Re: Will Trump make two years in office? Yes or no? [Re: Kryptos]
#25109004 - 04/02/18 04:31 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Until we see a solid Democratic candidate or strong conservative candidate I'll say he gets re elected over the it's better the Oprah kind of deal. I just don't think there is a good candidate to run against him that I've seen. Trump still has his fan base.
I still don't think he won the first popular vote, he did win fair and square but the people were over ruled as has been with other presidents.
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Re: Will Trump make two years in office? Yes or no? [Re: Seriously_trippin]
#25109572 - 04/02/18 08:39 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Will Trump make two years in office? Yes or no? [Re: qman] 1
#25110568 - 04/03/18 09:59 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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it kills them so they're?
reporting it.
not your best assessment.
because you put a rolling around laughing thing at the end of half your posts doesn't make them funny or accurate.
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Re: Will Trump make two years in office? Yes or no? [Re: relic]
#25110628 - 04/03/18 10:25 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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relic said: it kills them so they're?
reporting it.
not your best assessment.
because you put a rolling around laughing thing at the end of half your posts doesn't make them funny or accurate.
I'm just reporting the results, why are you so triggered about it? Let me guess, you don't like people calling out the MSM.
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Re: Will Trump make two years in office? Yes or no? [Re: qman]
#25110668 - 04/03/18 10:41 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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lolz. all your assumptions are so far off base.
triggered? not. calling out the MSM? don't care.
i called out your assessment, in case you didn't notice. you post things that the msm is reporting and then insinuate that it's killing them.
read your post again. does that sound like a rational argument to you? it's killing them so they're reporting it. that's what you wrote, in not so many words.
it makes zero sense.
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Re: Will Trump make two years in office? Yes or no? [Re: relic]
#25110779 - 04/03/18 11:31 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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relic said: lolz. all your assumptions are so far off base.
triggered? not. calling out the MSM? don't care.
i called out your assessment, in case you didn't notice. you post things that the msm is reporting and then insinuate that it's killing them.
read your post again. does that sound like a rational argument to you? it's killing them so they're reporting it. that's what you wrote, in not so many words.
it makes zero sense.
It's called an opinion, and yes it does sound like a rational argument considering the treatment Trump has received from the MSM.
"so they're reporting it"
Reporting it and promoting it are two different things, I don't know how much CNN and others have reported it on TV, do you? My guess is that they're under-reporting it relative to his poor approval ratings in the past.
That's called my OPINION, is that OK with you?
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Re: Will Trump make two years in office? Yes or no? [Re: qman]
#25110847 - 04/03/18 12:13 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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So CNN pays for a very expensive poll then buries it?
Look at the way they don't report the latest poll by calling it breaking news. Sounds like a cover up to me
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Re: Will Trump make two years in office? Yes or no? [Re: koods] 1
#25110921 - 04/03/18 12:51 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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He'll complete his first term.
Probably get reelected if the Dems put up some neoliberal assclown again.
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Re: Will Trump make two years in office? Yes or no? [Re: koods]
#25110958 - 04/03/18 01:06 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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koods said: So CNN pays for a very expensive poll then buries it?
Look at the way they don't report the latest poll by calling it breaking news. Sounds like a cover up to me
What isn't "breaking news" on CNN?
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Re: Will Trump make two years in office? Yes or no? [Re: qman]
#25110977 - 04/03/18 01:12 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Will Trump make two years in office? Yes or no? [Re: qman]
#25111638 - 04/03/18 05:19 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Will Trump make two years in office? Yes or no? [Re: qman]
#25111691 - 04/03/18 05:41 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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That's called my OPINION, is that OK with you?
sure, bud. don't get so triggered.
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Re: Will Trump make two years in office? Yes or no? [Re: Barnaby]
#25112586 - 04/04/18 01:02 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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I could have sworn I already posted in this thread. Anyway, I'd put hard cash on him making it at least 4 years.
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