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Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia * 1
    #25110622 - 04/03/18 10:23 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

A court filing shows Mueller received explicit authorization to investigate collision between Trump Campaign manager Paul Manafort and the Russian government. And yes, collusion is the actual word used in this court filing. Mueller is crossing his Ts and dotting his Is because for what he sees as a very important aspect of a future prosecution.

Special counsel Robert S. Mueller III was authorized by a top Justice Department official to investigate whether Paul Manafort, the onetime chairman of Donald Trump’s presidential campaign, illegally coordinated with Russia to interfere in the 2016 election, new court filings show.



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Re: Mueller has evidence of collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: koods]
    #25110635 - 04/03/18 10:28 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Thank god, can they just indict Trump and get it over with already?

You do realize everyday Trump is allowed to govern the more damage he can do. 

Mueller needs to pickup the pace, what has been the hesitation?


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: koods]
    #25110648 - 04/03/18 10:35 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

I've said this for over a year. Manafort colluded with Russia. I have zero doubt about that. Mueller will indict Manafort for these crimes. The only question is who else knew what was going on. Manafort was the campaign manager, so regardless if trump was too stupid to know what was going on, his campaign cheated. They conspired with a hostile foreign power to undermine the election. Trump did not win the presidency legitimately. He needs to go.


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Re: Mueller has evidence of collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: qman]
    #25110653 - 04/03/18 10:36 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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qman said:
Thank god, can they just indict Trump and get it over with already?

You do realize everyday Trump is allowed to govern the more damage he can do. 

Mueller needs to pickup the pace, what has been the hesitation?




10 months to investigate an international conspiracy? He's moving really fast.

You do realize the longer this goes on the worse the trouble is for trump. If mueller believed Manafort was the only Conspirator, there would have been indictments already.


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Re: Mueller has evidence of collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: qman] * 2
    #25110672 - 04/03/18 10:45 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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Thank god, can they just indict Trump and get it over with already?

You do realize everyday Trump is allowed to govern the more damage he can do. 

Mueller needs to pickup the pace, what has been the hesitation?




Seriously.

Everybody seems to have the "evidence" that Trump is guilty.

If it's true, then nail him already.

This is snail paced investigation and we are paying for it.


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Re: Mueller has evidence of collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: XUL] * 1
    #25110686 - 04/03/18 10:51 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

must be the first federal investigation that you've paid attention to if you think this is a snail pace.

(and no, all of you jumpers, i don't know if anyone is guilty of anything and i don't pretend to have evidence)


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Re: Mueller has evidence of collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: relic]
    #25110697 - 04/03/18 10:57 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Nobody cares about Russia anymore.


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Re: Mueller has evidence of collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: Patlal]
    #25110698 - 04/03/18 10:59 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

ok


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Re: Mueller has evidence of collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: Patlal]
    #25110703 - 04/03/18 10:59 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah nobody cares. You don't even hear about Russia in the news anymore. :facepalm:


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: koods] * 1
    #25110804 - 04/03/18 11:43 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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I've said this for over a year. Manafort colluded with Russia. I have zero doubt about that. Mueller will indict Manafort for these crimes.



Are you ready for another signature bet?  :smirk:


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Re: Mueller has evidence of collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: XUL]
    #25111629 - 04/03/18 05:16 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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XUL said:
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qman said:
Thank god, can they just indict Trump and get it over with already?

You do realize everyday Trump is allowed to govern the more damage he can do. 

Mueller needs to pickup the pace, what has been the hesitation?




Seriously.

Everybody seems to have the "evidence" that Trump is guilty.

If it's true, then nail him already.

This is snail paced investigation and we are paying for it.




It's not just trump though, and it now seems it's not just Russia involved either.

The Nixon investigation took years, and this seems much more complex.

It would be great if they could just finish it, but things like this take time...


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: koods] * 1
    #25112407 - 04/03/18 10:45 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

MEULLER TOLD Trumps lawyers Trump is not under investigation.  Trump will not be indicted.

Manafort lawyers asked for dismissal of the case, because Mueller can't invesitage outside of the 'russia collusion' that's why the report just came out.  So they are trying to stop the dismissal.  Nothing new here, Koods.


I think judge is going to rule for/against the motion. WE will find out tomorrow if there any merit. (On wedsneday. On this motion)


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Re: Mueller has evidence of collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: koods] * 1
    #25112413 - 04/03/18 10:48 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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Yeah nobody cares. You don't even hear about Russia in the news anymore. :facepalm:





duhhHhhhhhhhhh.  THERE WAS NO COLLUSION, WHICH HAS PRETTY WELL PLAYED OUT.  GET READY TO SUCK FAL'S COCK.


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: starfire_xes]
    #25112418 - 04/03/18 10:51 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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MEULLER TOLD Trumps lawyers Trump is not under investigation.  Trump will not be indicted.





Actually he was not currently the target of the investigation, and that statement was a month ago. So how exactly does that mean he won't be indicted?...

Also if you are so sure then that means we can forget about obstructing the investigation further right? Surely if Trump is innocent he has no reason to fire Mueller... Oh wait he already tried :rofldrunk:


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: musiclover420]
    #25112435 - 04/03/18 11:01 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

HEY, WHERE DID TRUMP TRY TO FIRE MUELLER?

This was leaked by the Mueller team, it recently brought up because this a for a motion by the Manafort's lawyer.

Only a fool would believe in propaganda.


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: starfire_xes] * 1
    #25112564 - 04/04/18 12:47 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

no it was leaked by someone in the White House.


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: koods]
    #25112599 - 04/04/18 01:21 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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I've said this for over a year. Manafort colluded with Russia. I have zero doubt about that. Mueller will indict Manafort for these crimes.



Are you ready for another signature bet?  :smirk:



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"zero doubt", huh?


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: koods] * 1
    #25114983 - 04/05/18 02:24 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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no it was leaked by someone in the White House.





Tell us the elements of collusion, if it were a crime.  I am waiting for you to give Fal a blowjob.


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: starfire_xes] * 1
    #25115192 - 04/05/18 06:39 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

BREAKING NEWS: Mueller investigating Trump.


Its all over folks! Cats out of the bag now!


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #25115195 - 04/05/18 06:41 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Good. So when is something going to happen?

Or does Mueller just update the public with useless information that he can't act on?

Make a damn arrest already.

If the evidence is so clear, then do it.

This guy is so slow.


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: XUL]
    #25115199 - 04/05/18 06:45 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Investigations take time, and Mueller didnt create this "story." Just the media desperate to keep the Russia narrative in the spotlight.


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #25115209 - 04/05/18 06:51 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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Investigations take time, and Mueller didnt create this "story." Just the media desperate to keep the Russia narrative in the spotlight.




Do you think Trump will be charged with obstruction of justice or collusion?

What if he isn't? Will you still believe he colluded?


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: XUL]
    #25115217 - 04/05/18 06:54 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

I dont think he'll be charged. He'll survive his term. I believe he "colluded" to some extent, but so did a bunch of other presidents to get elected. Its ultimately not that important, its just a convenient excuse for Democrats to say "see?! We didnt do anything wrong! All our ideas are actually good! Its just that pesky Russia stole it from us."


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #25115301 - 04/05/18 07:39 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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Investigations take time, and Mueller didnt create this "story." Just the media desperate to keep the Russia narrative in the spotlight.




Do you think Trump will be charged with obstruction of justice or collusion?

What if he isn't? Will you still believe he colluded?





Mueller is putting together a report in the obstruction case

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The most important revelation in a Washington Post report out Tuesday night is not that the special counsel Robert Mueller told President Donald Trump's lawyers he isn't a criminal target of the Russia investigation.

Rather, it's that Mueller is preparing a report about Trump's actions in office and potential obstruction of justice.




So the first seems pretty likely, though he probably won't be charged initially until the investigation becomes closer to complete.

If the investigation finishes unimpeded without charging trump with collusion I could accept that, but it seems pretty clear him and people around him are being used as puppets by foreign powers. Whether or not they knowingly cooperated is debatable, but personally the kompromaut theories seem very likely.

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I dont think he'll be charged. He'll survive his term. I believe he "colluded" to some extent, but so did a bunch of other presidents to get elected. Its ultimately not that important,




Care to provide some examples of other presidents that colluded with foreign powers to undermine our democracy?

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its just a convenient excuse for Democrats to say "see?! We didnt do anything wrong! All our ideas are actually good! Its just that pesky Russia stole it from us."




Care to provide some examples of that? :lol: Because this thread seems like a perfect example of the GOP doing exactly that with the "see trump wasn't the target of the investigation as of a month ago, he must be innocent!"

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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: musiclover420] * 1
    #25115308 - 04/05/18 07:44 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Nixon had Kissinger sabotage peace talks with NVA under LBJ.

Reagan did the same with Iran under Carter.


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #25115311 - 04/05/18 07:45 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Also, yes, the GOP and Democrats are both desperately trying to maintain their innocence. Both are guilty.


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #25115331 - 04/05/18 07:58 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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Nixon had Kissinger sabotage peace talks with NVA under LBJ.

Reagan did the same with Iran under Carter.




I don't think those are really comparable but I am no history professor :shrug:

Also note Nixon and Reagan were both Republicans as well :lol: The GOP is still using the same shady tactics decades later, except with even more projection + propaganda.

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Also, yes, the GOP and Democrats are both desperately trying to maintain their innocence. Both are guilty.




Some democrats are certainly guilty of some things but this both sides are the same BS is straight up propaganda.

Democrats actually fight internally a lot, the GOP has become a fascist cult...

Also if you haven't been paying attention Sinclair Broadcasting has been buying out local news stations and forcing them to air pro GOP propaganda/scripts:


Why Sinclair's 'false news' script sounds so familiar


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #25115594 - 04/05/18 10:26 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

TELL WAS IS COLLUSION.  STATE THAT AS A CRIME.  firing Comey is not a crime and it can not be obstruction.


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: musiclover420]
    #25115610 - 04/05/18 10:37 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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I don't think those are really comparable but I am no history professor :shrug:




Yes they are.

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Also note Nixon and Reagan were both Republicans as well :lol: The GOP is still using the same shady tactics decades later, except with even more projection + propaganda.





So now you pivot to "ok it has happened but its just the GOP."

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Some democrats are certainly guilty of some things but this both sides are the same BS is straight up propaganda.




The Democrats and Republicans are two sides of the same imperialist, neoliberal capitalist coin. Is the GOP typically more shady? Yes.

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Democrats actually fight internally a lot, the GOP has become a fascist cult...




Yes, the actual left is finally mobilizing within the Dems. And the GOP is being exposed as thinly veiled racists.

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Also if you haven't been paying attention Sinclair Broadcasting has been buying out local news stations and forcing them to air pro GOP propaganda/scripts




Yep, but lets not pretend corporate media hasnt been churning out pro-state propaganda for over a century.


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #25116311 - 04/05/18 04:33 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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I don't think those are really comparable but I am no history professor :shrug:




Yes they are.






Alright please explain how sabotaging peace talks is comparable to using a
hostile foreign government to interfere in a presidential election in your favor...

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So now you pivot to "ok it has happened but its just the GOP."





Actually I think you are the one who pivoted from:

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Also, yes, the GOP and Democrats are both desperately trying to maintain their innocence. Both are guilty.





If both are equally guilty how come the only examples you could provide are from other Republicans? :grin:

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The Democrats and Republicans are two sides of the same imperialist, neoliberal capitalist coin. Is the GOP typically more shady? Yes.





I agree in part, I've long thought they are playing both sides. But it's become pretty damn clear the GOP is a collective with a strong cult mentality that I've yet to see in Democrats to nearly the same extent.

Plenty of Democrats hated Hillary and still do, and sure some R's hate Trump but most seem to be shutting up and falling in line :shrug: When they grow some balls and stand up to him maybe I will give them the benefit of the doubt...

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Yes, the actual left is finally mobilizing within the Dems. And the GOP is being exposed as thinly veiled racists.





The GOP have been exposing themselves :lol: And it's been pretty obvious for decades, except now they are not even bothering to hide it with dog whistles.

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Yep, but lets not pretend corporate media hasnt been churning out pro-state propaganda for over a century.





Yes but Sinclair is one of the biggest media companies in the country. Ajit Pai is currently working on making a merger legal for them to take control of 70%+ of the local broadcasting in the country.... Think about that, 1 single company will control the news for 7/10 households. There is certainly bias and both sides but I've seen nothing remotely close to that level of "fake news" and propaganda from Democrats....

Also I find it funny Sinclair has been pushing pro Trump tariff scripts among others, seems like they are desperately trying to make people think that was a good idea... Even though pretty much everyone paying attention can tell it was a horrible idea with very little thought put into it (just like most of Trumps ideas it seems)

China announces new tariffs on 106 US products, including soy, cars and chemicals

Trump Wanted to Start a Trade War Because He Was Mad Jared Kushner Couldn't Get a Security Clearance

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/04/05/they-voted-for-president-trump-now-soybean-farmers-could-get-slammed-by-the-trade-war-he-started/?utm_term=.26061eb7e2f7

Hell from Trump himself:

Trump: 'We are not in a trade war with China, that war was lost many years ago'

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President Trump tweets that the U.S. is "not in a trade war with China."

Trump says the U.S. cannot let its trade deficit with China continue.

Trump's tweet comes hours after China launched plans for new tariffs on 106 U.S. products.




Guess we are going to lose it once again.


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: musiclover420] * 2
    #25116379 - 04/05/18 05:00 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

I love everyone who complains that this investigation is taking too long. This thing is going light-speed, comparatively speaking. Goes to show how little some people know about federal investigations. You guys remember Jared the Subway guy? The FBI knew he was molesting kids for FOUR AND A HALF YEARS and still kept the investigation going to build their case.

This thing will be a two-year minimum, guaranteed. Absolutely guaranteed. The wheels of justice turn slow, folks. Strap in and get comfortable.


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: Mercurious]
    #25116440 - 04/05/18 05:27 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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I love everyone who complains that this investigation is taking too long. This thing is going light-speed, comparatively speaking. Goes to show how little some people know about federal investigations. You guys remember Jared the Subway guy? The FBI knew he was molesting kids for FOUR AND A HALF YEARS and still kept the investigation going to build their case.

This thing will be a two-year minimum, guaranteed. Absolutely guaranteed. The wheels of justice turn slow, folks. Strap in and get comfortable.




I feel like this investigation will be in it for the long haul, it seems to just keep turning up more shady dealings. Even if/when Trump is impeached or resigns they will probably still have more work to do.

Also I doubt all the details will be made public, hopefully we get to see the big picture eventually at least but it wouldn't be surprising if some details don't come out for decades if ever.


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    #25116639 - 04/05/18 06:39 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Trump will have done his 8 years before this investigation is over...

If nothing major came up after a year of interrogating everyone, then it's over. Trump has many enemies and yet, nobody the FBI investigated could bring solid evidence. The FBI is an extremely competent branch of government. It is recognize as one of the best in the world. I am 110% sure they would have found actual evidence by now if there were some...


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If nothing major came up after a year of interrogating everyone, then it's over. Trump has many enemies and yet, nobody the FBI investigated could bring solid evidence. The FBI is an extremely competent branch of government. It is recognize as one of the best in the world.






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    #25116669 - 04/05/18 06:51 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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Trump will have done his 8 years before this investigation is over...





You really think he will be re elected? His approval ratings have been around 30-40% for awhile now. Outside of even more influence from Russians I can't see him winning again.

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If nothing major came up after a year of interrogating everyone, then it's over.




According to who? You realize investigations like this deal with a lot of classified information right? We only know what has been leaked to the public essentially.

Also I think a lot of major stuff has come up, it's just been hard to stay on top of it all with the never ending scandals.

How many people in Trump's administration have been indicted? At least a handful last a checked, most of which have flipped and are cooperating with the investigation...

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Trump has many enemies and yet, nobody the FBI investigated could bring solid evidence. The FBI is an extremely competent branch of government. It is recognize as one of the best in the world. I am 110% sure they would have found actual evidence by now if there were some...




So do you have inside knowledge into the investigation or what?

You realize there is a thing called sealed indictments right? We tend to only hear about some of these developments weeks if not months after they happen.

Also there is a certain thing called tact. This investigation goes beyond just Trump and Co, if they jump the gun and charge everyone they can ASAP they will miss out in the long run. It's better to take it slow and flip as many people as possible, so you can find out as much info as possible. This isn't just about Americans and Russians either, there's evidence at least a few other countries have been working on manipulating Trump or people around Trump. So they have a lot more to look into, and have already turned up a lot of shady stuff.

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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: Mercurious]
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I love everyone who complains that this investigation is taking too long. This thing is going light-speed, comparatively speaking. Goes to show how little some people know about federal investigations.

This thing will be a two-year minimum, guaranteed. Absolutely guaranteed.



This thing won't finish until Trump is out of office.  At which point it will be forgotten, guaranteed.  Absolutely guaranteed.


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    #25116886 - 04/05/18 08:17 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

^ agreed.

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I love everyone who complains that this investigation is taking too long. This thing is going light-speed, comparatively speaking. Goes to show how little some people know about federal investigations.

This thing will be a two-year minimum, guaranteed. Absolutely guaranteed.



This thing won't finish until Trump is out of office.  At which point it will be forgotten, guaranteed.  Absolutely guaranteed.




People probably said the same thing about Bush :shrug:

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^ agreed.

And no Americans actually give a fuck. None of this matters to the material conditions of the average American.




That is a ridiculous generalization. Plenty of people do give a fuck, hence the ongoing blue wave of states voting out Republicans :lol:

Elections have real impacts, and many of Trumps stupid decisions will be negatively impacting people for years. His cult may never turn on him but most people already have.

Thanks to Trumps trade war/tariffs other countries are already placing retaliatory tariffs on products from key pro GOP states, people will definitely notice the impact...

I agree most people are complacent, but a big part of that is society breeding complacency into us with the "both sides are the same" and "voting doesn't matter" rhetoric... No, it only doesn't matter if we let it. If we fight gerrymandering and propaganda and don't just accept things as they are  it can lead to real change. This kind of stuff should matter to all of us...


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    #25116989 - 04/05/18 09:06 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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Alright please explain how sabotaging peace talks is comparable to using a
hostile foreign government to interfere in a presidential election in your favor...




Uhhh....because we were at war with the other countries and we arent at war with Russia.

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If both are equally guilty how come the only examples you could provide are from other Republicans? :grin:




Uhh because Dems are guilty in other ways.

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I agree in part, I've long thought they are playing both sides. But it's become pretty damn clear the GOP is a collective with a strong cult mentality that I've yet to see in Democrats to nearly the same extent.

Plenty of Democrats hated Hillary and still do, and sure some R's hate Trump but most seem to be shutting up and falling in line :shrug: When they grow some balls and stand up to him maybe I will give them the benefit of the doubt...





The Dems are falling in line with Trump too. Abandoning DREAMers and passing wall st deregulation. Corporate Dems (aka most dems) are just as bad as the GOP. They dont get a pass for hating gays and blacks slightly less.


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: The Ecstatic]
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Uhh because Dems are guilty in other ways.





Whataboutism at it's best

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Lmao yeah i forgot you couldnt criticize Democrats without it being a logical fallacy.

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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #25116999 - 04/05/18 09:12 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Anyone who criticizes anybody but the worst people on earth are engaging in whataboutism.

Checkmate, everyone who isnt a bootlicker. :smug:


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    #25117023 - 04/05/18 09:22 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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Lmao yeah i forgot you couldnt criticize Democrats without it being a logical fallacy.

Foh lib




It's not about criticizing, it's about writing off the GOP's crimes with a "democrats are guilty of other things" :rofldrunk:

That's barely even a criticism, it's pretty much a direct recital of propaganda.

For one no one is saying dems are entirely innocent, that doesn't excuse the GOP whatsoever. Also it's funny how you don't even bother providing examples...

:youseethisshit:

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Anyone who criticizes anybody but the worst people on earth are engaging in whataboutism.

Checkmate, everyone who isnt a bootlicker. :smug:




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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: musiclover420] * 2
    #25117084 - 04/05/18 09:54 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

The GOP sucks. The Democrats suck. Whats so difficult to understand about that?

Crime bill, welfare "reform," telecom act of 96, Syria, Libya, drone war expansion. Youre a moron if you think the Dems are innocent, or even worthy of turning a blind eye.


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #25117088 - 04/05/18 09:56 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Imagine rejecting the overtly fascist party and thinking youre automatically on the noble side of things :lol:


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #25117091 - 04/05/18 09:58 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

I dont support James Earl Ray assassinating MLK therefore I'm a champion of civil rights.

I look at politics thru a false dichotomy because my knowledge doesnt extend beyond whats covered on the Daily Show :cookiemonster:


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #25117106 - 04/05/18 10:07 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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The GOP sucks. The Democrats suck. Whats so difficult to understand about that?

Crime bill, welfare "reform," telecom act of 96, Syria, Libya, drone war expansion. Youre a moron if you think the Dems are innocent, or even worthy of turning a blind eye.




The GOP has a cult mentality and collectively sucks, where as only some democrats suck... It's not rocket science, my state has been heavily D for years and we have some great representatives. That's likely why we have legal medical and recreational cannabis already among other things. Who said all democrats are innocent? It's not black or white man...

Have you ever written politicians? I've written to my reps a few times and for the most part they seem like great people, and are almost all coincidentally democrats :shrug:

Democrats are not perfect clearly, I don't think anyone has claimed they are. No one is perfect after all, but I've seen way more progressive democrats that actually work for the people compared to Republicans which seem to almost entirely cater to private interests. Personally I think the 2 party system is incredibly flawed, but that doesn't mean both sides are equally bad...

Right now the GOP is doing a ton of really shady things, and we need to hold them accountable otherwise down the line Dems or another party could do even worse and there will already be a dangerous precedent...


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: musiclover420] * 1
    #25117122 - 04/05/18 10:18 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

A vast majority of Dems suck. There are maybe a dozen that are redeemable.


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    #25117125 - 04/05/18 10:19 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

But nah lets play the horseshoe theory game where we feign outrage at the GOP agenda, only to take power and continue it. Better known as The Obama.


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    #25117134 - 04/05/18 10:23 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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Brilliant rebuttal


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    #25117148 - 04/05/18 10:28 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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Brilliant rebuttal




There's not really anything to rebut, you've provided no evidence for your arguments or any coherent point except for "dems are guilty of other things" :shrug:


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    #25117161 - 04/05/18 10:32 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

If you wanna ride with "The Democrats are good" be my guest.


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    #25117179 - 04/05/18 10:40 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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If you wanna ride with "The Democrats are good" be my guest.




They've been good for my state and many others, clearly they aren't all good just like not all Republicans are bad. The difference is the cult mentality the GOP has.

Even the few Republicans that have spoken up against Trump still fall in line and vote with their party even if it goes against what they believe.

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Also it's worth noting Mueller himself is a Republican and has been for decades, yet the GOP still has slandered the shit out of him in an attempt to discredit the investigation.


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    #25117199 - 04/05/18 10:53 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

It takes a lot of denial to believe that the dems are any less morally bankrupt.


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    #25117222 - 04/05/18 11:06 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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It takes a lot of denial to believe that the dems are any less morally bankrupt.




My whole point is some are and some aren't, while the GOP has a strong collective/ cult mentality which is very dangerous.

Anyways I think it takes just as much denial to believe that both parties are equally bad.


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    #25117258 - 04/05/18 11:21 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

You don't think dems have a cult mentality?  Have you talked to a bill maher fan?  With all due respect (as much as is due), you already drank the koolaid.  I see very little difference between dems and repubs.  Any difference is just marketing/branding.  One is Nike and the other Adidas.  Both are overpriced, underbuilt, and made with slave labor.


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    #25117330 - 04/06/18 12:09 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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You don't think dems have a cult mentality?  Have you talked to a bill maher fan?  With all due respect (as much as is due), you already drank the koolaid.  I see very little difference between dems and repubs.  Any difference is just marketing/branding.  One is Nike and the other Adidas.  Both are overpriced, underbuilt, and made with slave labor.




Dems do as well but to much more varying degrees. Look at hillary, plenty of Democrats hated her and voted for someone else or stayed home.

Some R's hate trump too but all the ones in power seem very hesitant to even call him out for fear of losing party support. Almost all of them consistently vote with their party, that is a cult mentality. Hell even people like McCain have come out and spoken against trump only to fall in line and vote for the very things they spoke out against. Like Trump's pick who has a history of literally torturing people :


Who is Gina Haspel? Trump's pick for CIA chief linked to torture site

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Donald Trump’s pick for head of the Central Intelligence Agency, Gina Haspel, reportedly oversaw a black site prison in Thailand where terrorism suspects were tortured.




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Haspel also drafted a cable ordering the destruction of CIA interrogation videos in 2005.

A US justice department investigation into the tapes’ destruction ended without charges, but the event helped spark a landmark investigation into US detentions and interrogations.

Christopher Anders, deputy director of the American Civil Liberties Union’s Washington legislative office, claimed Haspel “was up to her eyeballs in torture”.

Anders urged the CIA to declassify her torture record before the Senate considers her nomination.

This was echoed by John McCain, the Arizona senator who was tortured during the Vietnam war.

“Ms Haspel needs to explain the nature and extent of her involvement in the CIA’s interrogation program during the confirmation process,” McCain said. He called the torture of US detainees during the Bush era “one of the darkest chapters in American history”.




I think you guys are the ones who've drank the "both sides are exactly the same" koolaid :shrug:

I still think both sides are being played to varying degrees but it doesn't take much looking around to see which side has consistently fucked over the lower/middle class for decades...

I've also yet to see remotely the same level of racism or sexism from democrats for what that's worth. Wife beating seems like a R past time at this point...


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    #25117623 - 04/06/18 06:10 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but the Obama cult of personality was the strongest "cult mentality" we've had in this country in my lifetime.  We have a similar Trump cult today, but it's significantly smaller. 

I don't know what to tell you, bro.  People in a cult rarely realize they're in a cult. :shrug:  It's like a catholic calling out scientology as a cult when both ideologies believe in mystical sky faeries and elevate a man to the status of a demigod.  Dems and repubs are little more than teams to root for.  Neither stand for anything other than the desire to win and gain power.


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #25117854 - 04/06/18 08:55 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

I am barely able to remember JFK. That was a cult of personality.


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: Brian Jones] * 1
    #25117855 - 04/06/18 08:56 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Actually the hype around Reagan was IMO bigger than Obama and Trump.


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: musiclover420]
    #25117862 - 04/06/18 09:04 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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You don't think dems have a cult mentality?  Have you talked to a bill maher fan?  With all due respect (as much as is due), you already drank the koolaid.  I see very little difference between dems and repubs.  Any difference is just marketing/branding.  One is Nike and the other Adidas.  Both are overpriced, underbuilt, and made with slave labor.




Dems do as well but to much more varying degrees. Look at hillary, plenty of Democrats hated her and voted for someone else or stayed home.

Some R's hate trump too but all the ones in power seem very hesitant to even call him out for fear of losing party support. Almost all of them consistently vote with their party, that is a cult mentality. Hell even people like McCain have come out and spoken against trump only to fall in line and vote for the very things they spoke out against. Like Trump's pick who has a history of literally torturing people :


Who is Gina Haspel? Trump's pick for CIA chief linked to torture site

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Donald Trump’s pick for head of the Central Intelligence Agency, Gina Haspel, reportedly oversaw a black site prison in Thailand where terrorism suspects were tortured.




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Haspel also drafted a cable ordering the destruction of CIA interrogation videos in 2005.

A US justice department investigation into the tapes’ destruction ended without charges, but the event helped spark a landmark investigation into US detentions and interrogations.

Christopher Anders, deputy director of the American Civil Liberties Union’s Washington legislative office, claimed Haspel “was up to her eyeballs in torture”.

Anders urged the CIA to declassify her torture record before the Senate considers her nomination.

This was echoed by John McCain, the Arizona senator who was tortured during the Vietnam war.

“Ms Haspel needs to explain the nature and extent of her involvement in the CIA’s interrogation program during the confirmation process,” McCain said. He called the torture of US detainees during the Bush era “one of the darkest chapters in American history”.




I think you guys are the ones who've drank the "both sides are exactly the same" koolaid :shrug:

I still think both sides are being played to varying degrees but it doesn't take much looking around to see which side has consistently fucked over the lower/middle class for decades...

I've also yet to see remotely the same level of racism or sexism from democrats for what that's worth. Wife beating seems like a R past time at this point...




"I've also yet to see remotely the same level of racism or sexism from democrats"

You might want to get your eyes tested.


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: Brian Jones]
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That was as well, but I wasn't alive to see JFK.


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So agreeing with the views of President is a cult now?



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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: musiclover420]
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It takes a lot of denial to believe that the dems are any less morally bankrupt.




My whole point is some are and some aren't, while the GOP has a strong collective/ cult mentality which is very dangerous.

Anyways I think it takes just as much denial to believe that both parties are equally bad.




I never said they were equally bad. I said theyre both bad. Both guilty.

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  Neither stand for anything other than the desire to win and gain power.





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Trump will have done his 8 years before this investigation is over...

If nothing major came up after a year of interrogating everyone, then it's over. Trump has many enemies and yet, nobody the FBI investigated could bring solid evidence. The FBI is an extremely competent branch of government. It is recognize as one of the best in the world. I am 110% sure they would have found actual evidence by now if there were some...




LOL. You really don't understand how federal investigations work, do you? There's an extremely good chance they HAVE found evidence by now and are using it to flip witnesses and gather additional evidence to solidify a case. It's a widely known practice that's used by the FBI all the time. The Jared the Subway guy case I mentioned is one of many. They had direct evidence he was molesting kids just a few months into the investigation and did not arrest him 'til four years later. There are many, many more examples like his. Just because you want something to be true, doesn't mean it is. The goal is to get as many parties as possible and in the Russia case, they are going after dozens of subjects. Apparently, you don't understand the gravity of that and how long an investigation of that caliber takes.


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Relevant infographic:



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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: Mercurious]
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LOL. You really don't understand how federal investigations work, do you? There's an extremely good chance they HAVE found evidence by now and are using it to flip witnesses and gather additional evidence to solidify a case. It's a widely known practice that's used by the FBI all the time.

The goal is to get as many parties as possible and in the Russia case, they are going after dozens of subjects. Apparently, you don't understand the gravity of that and how long an investigation of that caliber takes.



Each week koods posts about what they're going to look into next.  Things are hardly being kept secret, except maybe the fact they haven't found anything yet.


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So agreeing with the views of President is a cult now?



I don't recall anyone saying that.  Can you quote the post?  Or did you just pull that shit straight out of your ass?




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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: Patlal]
    #25118295 - 04/06/18 12:21 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

No, but you were addressing someone.  I searched throughout this thread for hours looking for the part where someone made that claim, and I didn't find it.  I wracked my brain, because I know you would never be so intellectually dishonest as to resort to a strawman argument.  It must be there somewhere.  Please help me find it.


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: Enlil]
    #25118304 - 04/06/18 12:25 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

If it is a cult, then we ought to start drinking cat blood. :stoned:


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    #25118306 - 04/06/18 12:25 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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No, but you were addressing someone.  I searched throughout this thread for hours looking for the part where someone made that claim, and I didn't find it.  I wracked my brain, because I know you would never be so intellectually dishonest as to resort to a strawman argument.  It must be there somewhere.  Please help me find it.




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I know of a lot of cults, but none that drink cat's blood.


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No, but you were addressing someone.  I searched throughout this thread for hours looking for the part where someone made that claim, and I didn't find it.  I wracked my brain, because I know you would never be so intellectually dishonest as to resort to a strawman argument.  It must be there somewhere.  Please help me find it.




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Maybe you should find another hobby



I can't.  It would shatter my reality to find that you were anything less than wholly sincere in your rhetoric.  PLEASE HELP ME!


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No, but you were addressing someone.  I searched throughout this thread for hours looking for the part where someone made that claim, and I didn't find it.  I wracked my brain, because I know you would never be so intellectually dishonest as to resort to a strawman argument.  It must be there somewhere.  Please help me find it.




:ifyoucanawe:

Maybe you should find another hobby



I can't.  It would shatter my reality to find that you were anything less than wholly sincere in your rhetoric.  PLEASE HELP ME!




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Lol


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: Enlil]
    #25118832 - 04/06/18 04:12 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but the Obama cult of personality was the strongest "cult mentality" we've had in this country in my lifetime.  We have a similar Trump cult today, but it's significantly smaller. 

I don't know what to tell you, bro.  People in a cult rarely realize they're in a cult. :shrug:  It's like a catholic calling out scientology as a cult when both ideologies believe in mystical sky faeries and elevate a man to the status of a demigod.  Dems and repubs are little more than teams to root for.  Neither stand for anything other than the desire to win and gain power.




I could say the same thing about the anti Obama cult :shrug: Hell there are still people who think he is some Kenyan muslim extremist :rofldrunk:

At least with Trump people are upset about things they really should be.

Also I've seen plenty of Democrats criticize Obama, most people realize he wasn't perfect. Funnily enough the bank bailout is one of the biggest complaints I've heard which was actually started under Bush :lol:


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: musiclover420]
    #25118869 - 04/06/18 04:24 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Putin has dirt on Trump, claims Russian treason defence lawyer

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Russian human rights lawyer Ivan Pavlov has been honoured in Sydney with a top human rights award. He has given SBS News a troubling insight into Vladimir Putin's Russia.




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A prominent Russian human rights lawyer who is representing intelligence officers arrested after the publication of the so-called Steele Dossier is convinced the Kremlin has a lot of dirt on US President Donald Trump.




:strokebeard:

FBI investigating whether Russian money went to NRA to help Trump

Donald Trump asks ‘why did you wait?’ after CIA delayed drone strike to prevent civilian deaths

Trump asked CIA official why drone strike didn’t also kill target’s family: report

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Trump reportedly asked a CIA official why the agency didn’t kill a terrorist target's family during a drone strike.

The Washington Post reported Thursday that, after watching a recorded video of a drone strike in Syria in which officials waited until the target was outside of his family’s home, Trump asked, “Why did you wait?”


The agency’s head of drone operations explained to an “unimpressed” Trump there are techniques to limit the number of civilian casualties.
Trump called for the CIA to start arming its drones in Syria and reportedly asked for it to be started in days.




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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: musiclover420]
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I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but the Obama cult of personality was the strongest "cult mentality" we've had in this country in my lifetime.  We have a similar Trump cult today, but it's significantly smaller. 

I don't know what to tell you, bro.  People in a cult rarely realize they're in a cult. :shrug:  It's like a catholic calling out scientology as a cult when both ideologies believe in mystical sky faeries and elevate a man to the status of a demigod.  Dems and repubs are little more than teams to root for.  Neither stand for anything other than the desire to win and gain power.




I could say the same thing about the anti Obama cult :shrug: Hell there are still people who think he is some Kenyan muslim extremist :rofldrunk:

At least with Trump people are upset about things they really should be.

Also I've seen plenty of Democrats criticize Obama, most people realize he wasn't perfect. Funnily enough the bank bailout is one of the biggest complaints I've heard which was actually started under Bush :lol:





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Whataboutism at it's best

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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: musiclover420] * 1
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I could say the same thing about the anti Obama cult :shrug: Hell there are still people who think he is some Kenyan muslim extremist :rofldrunk:

At least with Trump people are upset about things they really should be.



Oh the irony.

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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
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Oh.  Are we talking about Blowhard or Dog Shit Barry?  :crazybeard:


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Things are hardly being kept secret, except maybe the fact they haven't found anything yet.




You wouldn't actually know if anything had been found yet or not because that information is classified. Good try though, dude :thumbup:

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Things are hardly being kept secret, except maybe the fact they haven't found anything yet.




You wouldn't actually know if anything had been found yet or not because that information is classified. Good try though, dude :thumbup:

You can do better than that.




:whathesaid:

I'm sure plenty of republicans were saying the same thing about Nixon before the watergate investigation was over.

Also it's ludicrous to say they've found "nothing", I guess all the indictments we are aware ofso far are "nothing"...

Meanwhile Hillary was investigated fully at least 1-2 times and people still bring her up as some sort of excuse for Trumps behavior :rofldrunk:


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Things are hardly being kept secret, except maybe the fact they haven't found anything yet.



You wouldn't actually know if anything had been found yet or not because that information is classified. Good try though, dude :thumbup:

You can do better than that.



Notice I said "maybe".  Good try to make yourself appear right.  :thumbup:

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There's an extremely good chance they HAVE found evidence by now



You wouldn't actually know if anything had been found yet or not because that information is classified.  Good try through, dude  :flowstone:


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    #25120002 - 04/07/18 04:41 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

I remember Trump supporters said Hillary committed war crimes for supporting intervention in Libya (so did trump.) Now trump is mad because the CIA won't kill innocent civilians.


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The Democrats and Republicans are two sides of the same imperialist, neoliberal capitalist coin.



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Things are hardly being kept secret, except maybe the fact they haven't found anything yet.



You wouldn't actually know if anything had been found yet or not because that information is classified. Good try though, dude :thumbup:

You can do better than that.



Notice I said "maybe".  Good try to make yourself appear right.  :thumbup:




Actually, you said it in the context that things were hardly being kept secret, except for the fact that nothing had been found. Don't try to backpeddle now just because you got called out.

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There's an extremely good chance they HAVE found evidence by now



You wouldn't actually know if anything had been found yet or not because that information is classified.  Good try through, dude  :flowstone:




Correct, I do not. However, I said there was a good "chance." You do know the meaning of the word chance, right? Not too good at the semantics thing, I see.


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #25120882 - 04/07/18 01:39 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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The Ecstatic said:
The Democrats and Republicans are two sides of the same imperialist, neoliberal capitalist coin.



This is timely:






I don't think they are the same.

There is a difference in morals.


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: Mercurious]
    #25120887 - 04/07/18 01:42 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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Actually, you said it in the context that things were hardly being kept secret, except for the fact that nothing had been found.



You're exactly right, "except maybe the fact they haven't found anything yet."

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I said there was a good "chance." You do know the meaning of the word chance, right? Not too good at the semantics thing, I see.



You know the meaning of "chance" but not the meaning of "maybe"?

Sounds like it's time for a signature bet.  Koods chickened out.  Are you in?  :popcorn:


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #25120919 - 04/07/18 01:56 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
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The Ecstatic said:
The Democrats and Republicans are two sides of the same imperialist, neoliberal capitalist coin.



This is timely:

A NEW STUDY SHOWS HOW AMERICAN POLARIZATION IS DRIVEN BY A TEAM SPORT MENTALITY, NOT BY DISAGREEMENT ON ISSUES




R's and D's are not the same as true conservatives and true liberals.

Most voters are highly uninformed and just vote the party line regardless of certain issues.

As we both know, there's plenty of disagreement on the issues from the people that focus on those issues.


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #25120942 - 04/07/18 02:08 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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Mercurious said:
Actually, you said it in the context that things were hardly being kept secret, except for the fact that nothing had been found.



You're exactly right, "except maybe the fact they haven't found anything yet."

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I said there was a good "chance." You do know the meaning of the word chance, right? Not too good at the semantics thing, I see.



You know the meaning of "chance" but not the meaning of "maybe"?

Sounds like it's time for a signature bet.  Koods chickened out.  Are you in?  :popcorn:






It's unfortunate to see you don't understand how context affects the meaning of things. Your context and mine were completely different. So you're either being willfully ignorant to make yourself appear right or you just don't get basic English nuances.

And I'm smart enough to know that nothing is a sure thing; I don't make bets. You'd be wise to do the same.


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: Mercurious] * 1
    #25121292 - 04/07/18 04:42 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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There's an extremely good chance they HAVE found evidence by now
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I said there was a good "chance." You do know the meaning of the word chance, right?
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I'm smart enough to know that nothing is a sure thing



I see.  Your confidence went from "extremely good chance" to "a good chance" to "nothing is a sure thing".

I'm extremely confident they won't find collusion with Russia; so much so that I'm willing to give you two to one odds:  if you win, I change my sig for 4 months; if you lose, you change your sig for 2 months.  Deal?  Or is your confidence now less than 33%?


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #25121568 - 04/07/18 06:49 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

^i wouldnt challenge fal to any sig bets regarding russia


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #25121588 - 04/07/18 06:59 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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There's an extremely good chance they HAVE found evidence by now
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I said there was a good "chance." You do know the meaning of the word chance, right?
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I'm smart enough to know that nothing is a sure thing



I see.  Your confidence went from "extremely good chance" to "a good chance" to "nothing is a sure thing".

I'm extremely confident they won't find collusion with Russia; so much so that I'm willing to give you two to one odds:  if you win, I change my sig for 4 months; if you lose, you change your sig for 2 months.  Deal?  Or is your confidence now less than 33%?




Man your logic is truly astounding. You really gotta ditch that whole black and white outlook on everything. It's really not conducive to intelligent thought. I can still believe there's an extremely good chance of something happening and also stand by my own assertion that I don't make bets because I am smart enough to know that anything can happen, regardless of strong odds. Aside from the fact that I simply don't give enough of a fuck about you to care about winning or losing.

I think the whole thing is stupid and your aggression about the subject is akin to a high school bully going "C'mon, what are you, a pussy?" I feel sad for ya to be honest. That level of competitiveness is unhealthy. I certainly don't need to prove the conviction of my own beliefs to some random stranger on the internet and even if I won, you're too irrelevant for me to get any level of satisfaction over seeing you post some stupid signature for a couple months. That shit is childish. But I mean, you do you. If goading internet strangers into making stupids bets with you fills some void in your life, by all means go ham with it.


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: Mercurious]
    #25122121 - 04/07/18 10:54 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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Mercurious said:
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
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Mercurious said:
There's an extremely good chance they HAVE found evidence by now
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I said there was a good "chance." You do know the meaning of the word chance, right?
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I'm smart enough to know that nothing is a sure thing



I see.  Your confidence went from "extremely good chance" to "a good chance" to "nothing is a sure thing".

I'm extremely confident they won't find collusion with Russia; so much so that I'm willing to give you two to one odds:  if you win, I change my sig for 4 months; if you lose, you change your sig for 2 months.  Deal?  Or is your confidence now less than 33%?




Man your logic is truly astounding. You really gotta ditch that whole black and white outlook on everything. It's really not conducive to intelligent thought. I can still believe there's an extremely good chance of something happening and also stand by my own assertion that I don't make bets because I am smart enough to know that anything can happen, regardless of strong odds. Aside from the fact that I simply don't give enough of a fuck about you to care about winning or losing.

I think the whole thing is stupid and your aggression about the subject is akin to a high school bully going "C'mon, what are you, a pussy?" I feel sad for ya to be honest. That level of competitiveness is unhealthy. I certainly don't need to prove the conviction of my own beliefs to some random stranger on the internet and even if I won, you're too irrelevant for me to get any level of satisfaction over seeing you post some stupid signature for a couple months. That shit is childish. But I mean, you do you. If goading internet strangers into making stupids bets with you fills some void in your life, by all means go ham with it.



I got you to go from "extremely good chance" to "a good chance" to "nothing is a sure thing".  If you think a silly signature bet is me being a "bully", then you should report me, or else you're truly a snowflake.  Either way, my point has been made.  :smirk:


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #25122265 - 04/08/18 01:33 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

You have no point lol. If you think saying something has an extremely good chance of happening is mutually exclusive from saying anything can happen, then you're truly ignorant. Anything less than a 100% chance of something occurring means anything can happen, genius. I never changed any of my statements and still stand by my original statement that I think there is a very good chance there was collusion while ALSO saying anything can happen, nonetheless.

The only time I said "good chance" instead of "very good chance" was to show you what something meant in context (which you still apparently don't get). Is me accidentally not writing "very" the second time actually all you have as an argument? Do I really have to pick apart your own dribble to show you how you're wrong? This is getting sad, dude. If all you've got is mindless doublespeak for arguments, then you're in for a rude awakening.

The only points you've managed to make so far are that you have no idea what context is, no idea what mutually exclusive statements are, and absolutely no idea how to properly debate or argue.

You're just some guy who thinks he's slick when in actuality, only knows how to deflect and talk in circles.



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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: Mercurious] * 2
    #25122278 - 04/08/18 01:53 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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You have no point lol.



My point is that I'm confident enough to make the bet, you're not.

Obviously no bet has 100% certainty, or betting would be pointless.

Funny thing is, you have nothing but ad hominem and straw man arguments, and you pretend you're the smart one.

You're style is identical to the poster known as Buffy, who stopped posting the same time you started.


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #25122284 - 04/08/18 02:00 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Lol I've never even seen the Buffy series, but if it makes you feel better to think I'm someone else then sure, I'm Buffy. I already told you I think bets are stupid and even if I was 100% certain I wouldn't make the bet with you because seeing you post some stupid signature would give me zero satisfaction. Therefore, there's nothing in it for me. You know what that means, right? Seems like you just don't do well with taking rejection or someone seeing through your bullshit. Guess the apple doesn't fall far from the Trump tree :flowstone:


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: Mercurious]
    #25122287 - 04/08/18 02:03 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Ok, let's make a bet where there's something in it for you.  $100?


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #25122819 - 04/08/18 09:57 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

I wonder about the investigation in the FBI corruption probe, the alleges of the dossier obtaining an FISA warrant, and Hillary Clinton.

See's let if there are indictments and bracelets slapping on people in the government.  :smug:


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #25123437 - 04/08/18 01:33 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

No idea why you're so obsessed with making bets with people. I already told you I don't make them. Not sure what you're not understanding here. Not to mention, there's still nothing in it for me, as I would never give someone like you my personal information in order for you to send me money (or anyone on this site, to be frank). So just stop trying to deflect from the actual topic at hand and start trying to add some value to the conversation, for once.


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: Mercurious]
    #25123634 - 04/08/18 03:05 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Actually, the bet isn't "deflecting from the topic", it's gauging your confidence in your own position on the topic.  You won't  even make a silly signature bet.

On the topic, what makes you believe "There's an extremely good chance they HAVE found evidence by now"?  Wishful thinking???  That's all there is right now unless you know something the rest of us don't.  :smirk:


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #25123638 - 04/08/18 03:08 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

These stakes are meaningless. You guys should bet the loser has to get a fake pair of tits


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: koods]
    #25123716 - 04/08/18 03:47 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Has this been posted yet?

A new study suggests fake news might have won Donald Trump the 2016 election

Quote:

The study from researchers at Ohio State University finds that fake news probably played a significant role in depressing Hillary Clinton's support on Election Day. The study, which has not been peer-reviewed but which may be the first look at how fake news affected voter choices, suggests that about 4 percent of President Barack Obama's 2012 supporters were dissuaded from voting for Clinton in 2016 by belief in fake news stories.

Richard Gunther, Paul A. Beck and Erik C. Nisbet, the study's authors, inserted three popular fake news stories from the 2016 campaign into a 281-question YouGov survey given to a sample that included 585 Obama supporters — 23 percent of  whom didn't vote for Clinton, either by abstaining or picking another candidate (10 percent voted Trump, which is in line with other estimates).

Here are the false stories, along with the percentages of Obama supporters who believed they were at least “probably” true (in parenthesis):

Clinton was in “very poor health due to a serious illness” (12 percent)
Pope Francis endorsed Trump (8 percent)
Clinton approved weapons sales to Islamic jihadists, “including ISIS” (20 percent)

Overall about one-quarter of 2012 Obama voters believed at least one of these stories, and of that group 45 percent voted for Clinton. Of those who believed none of the fake news stories, 89 percent voted for Clinton.




:strokebeard:

Clearly that isn't definitive by any means, but it will be interesting to see similar studies gauge the impact of pro trump/anti clinton propaganda.


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: musiclover420] * 1
    #25123997 - 04/08/18 05:49 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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musiclover420 said:
Has this been posted yet?

A new study suggests fake news might have won Donald Trump the 2016 election

Quote:

The study from researchers at Ohio State University finds that fake news probably played a significant role in depressing Hillary Clinton's support on Election Day. The study, which has not been peer-reviewed but which may be the first look at how fake news affected voter choices, suggests that about 4 percent of President Barack Obama's 2012 supporters were dissuaded from voting for Clinton in 2016 by belief in fake news stories.

Richard Gunther, Paul A. Beck and Erik C. Nisbet, the study's authors, inserted three popular fake news stories from the 2016 campaign into a 281-question YouGov survey given to a sample that included 585 Obama supporters — 23 percent of  whom didn't vote for Clinton, either by abstaining or picking another candidate (10 percent voted Trump, which is in line with other estimates).

Here are the false stories, along with the percentages of Obama supporters who believed they were at least “probably” true (in parenthesis):

Clinton was in “very poor health due to a serious illness” (12 percent)
Pope Francis endorsed Trump (8 percent)
Clinton approved weapons sales to Islamic jihadists, “including ISIS” (20 percent)

Overall about one-quarter of 2012 Obama voters believed at least one of these stories, and of that group 45 percent voted for Clinton. Of those who believed none of the fake news stories, 89 percent voted for Clinton.




:strokebeard:

Clearly that isn't definitive by any means, but it will be interesting to see similar studies gauge the impact of pro trump/anti clinton propaganda.




It's called politics and it's been happening for a very long time, isn't that the whole point of it all?  To win without breaking the law?


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: qman] * 1
    #25124927 - 04/09/18 06:12 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

I would say it is to win without getting caught.


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: Brian Jones]
    #25125932 - 04/09/18 02:07 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Damn. The FBI just raided the office of Trumps lawyer, Michael Cohen and seized hundreds of documents.


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: koods]
    #25125933 - 04/09/18 02:08 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: Enlil]
    #25125971 - 04/09/18 02:32 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Reports are it's related to the Stormy Daniels situation. Regardless, raiding a law office is a pretty ominous sign that there are serious crimes under investigation


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: koods]
    #25125999 - 04/09/18 02:44 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

And so it begins.


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: koods]
    #25126187 - 04/09/18 04:01 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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Damn. The FBI just raided the office of Trumps lawyer, Michael Cohen and seized hundreds of documents.




Not just his office but his home and the hotel he was staying in as well:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/fbi-agents-raid-manhattan-office-trump-lawyer-michael-cohen-article-1.3924200

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A person briefed on the Monday raid told the New York Times that agents confiscated emails, tax and business records, in addition to documents relating to the payment to Daniels. The records include communications between Trump and Cohen, the source said.




https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/04/fbi-raids-michael-cohen-new-york-hotel

It was also apparently a no knock raid, which I gather means they had reason to believe knocking might allow the destruction of relevant documents.

Also interesting is that Mueller just gave a referral for this raid and wasn't involved aside from that.


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: musiclover420]
    #25126197 - 04/09/18 04:06 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Sounds like they knew exactly what they were looking for and the criminal activity was ongoing.


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: koods]
    #25126202 - 04/09/18 04:08 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Funny that trump finally called out Putin by name and now it looks like his real problems might be crimes that had nothing to do with Russia.


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: koods]
    #25126212 - 04/09/18 04:15 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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Sounds like they knew exactly what they were looking for and the criminal activity was ongoing.




That does seem likely, and sounds like how the FBI generally operate.

Not sure if they could have gotten the warrant without a solid amount of evidence. The no knock aspect is interesting as well.

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Funny that trump finally called out Putin by name and now it looks like his real problems might be crimes that had nothing to do with Russia.




It was funny seeing the media try and paint that as trump "being tough on russia" when it seemed like all bark and no bite, probably pre coordinated with Putin to make them look better :lol:

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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: musiclover420]
    #25126334 - 04/09/18 05:14 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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Not sure if they could have gotten the warrant without a solid amount of evidence. The no knock aspect is interesting as well.




According to FBI.gov:

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In the case of federal offenses that are colloquially known as white-collar crimes (e.g., violations of the federal securities laws), agents often will need to obtain documents from suspects and innocent parties as part of the investigation. To do so, the agents can apply for a search warrant from a magistrate (or judge) to search a particular site for relevant evidence. Alternatively, the agents can request a subpoena from a grand jury.




https://www.fbi.gov/resources/victim-assistance/a-brief-description-of-the-federal-criminal-justice-process

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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: koods]
    #25126345 - 04/09/18 05:18 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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Damn. The FBI just raided the office of Trumps lawyer, Michael Cohen and seized hundreds of documents.



Welp, if you can't get Trump for colluding with Russia, maybe you get one of his lawyers for something unrelated and call it a moral victory?  :shrug:


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Damn. The FBI just raided the office of Trumps lawyer, Michael Cohen and seized hundreds of documents.



Welp, if you can't get Trump for colluding with Russia, maybe you get one of his lawyers for something unrelated and call it a moral victory?  :shrug:




You realize they seized many documents including some of Trump communications right?

Also this isn't just unrelated, the illegal campaign payoff to the porn star was part of it but almost certainly not the only reason for the raids.

You are free to think it's unrelated but the truth is we won't know until more details come out :shrug:


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: koods]
    #28322744 - 05/17/23 03:58 AM (8 months, 7 days ago)

Now even the mainstream media admits:

Trump was right: 'Russian collusion' was a hoax. Good luck regaining public's trust.
USA Today
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For its part, the FBI does not dispute the report’s findings, but says it has already taken action and added safeguards in its investigations.




More from the mainstream news:

CNN's Jake Tapper says Durham report 'devastating for the FBI,' findings do 'exonerate' Trump 'to a degree'


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #28322819 - 05/17/23 06:20 AM (8 months, 7 days ago)

well if cnn says it...

:stonedjerk:

the author of that usa today piece is a conservative cultural warrior. bias much?

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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: mushboy] * 1
    #28322830 - 05/17/23 06:34 AM (8 months, 7 days ago)

So the former president that was impeached twice and  tried to overthrow the govt  didn't collude with Russia after all ?
  Great , it's too bad his presidency didn't end as innocently as it started but ya , awesome .


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: Psilynut2]
    #28322951 - 05/17/23 08:46 AM (8 months, 7 days ago)

BAWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Love watching you Liberals choke on your vomit.

You are clueless.  You are incapable of understanding the difference between sentiment and facts and fact patterns.  You are happily assumed, obedient and are nothing more than a tool for someone else.  You are lazy.  You are ignorant and you are immovable, even when actual facts dictate your position is completely wrong.

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    #28322966 - 05/17/23 08:58 AM (8 months, 7 days ago)

Not even disagreeing with you , the fucking guy who was just convicted of sexual assault , your boy , didn't also collude  with Russia !  Good for you .


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: Bobgas]
    #28322971 - 05/17/23 09:00 AM (8 months, 7 days ago)

Durham's report that basically says nobody broke any laws has such an impact that Wisconsin just elected a liberal supreme court judge and deep red Florida Jackson just elected a democratic mayor.  Seems like 7 million well spent tax dollars to me.  How is it working out for you guys on the right that people are not so stupid to just go for smoke and mirrors.  Loyalty to the party and base is keeping you guys running even deeper into the hole you are digging but will not expand your appeal to more then you have now though it may lose a few who were not so committed to dear leader.
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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: gww]
    #28322994 - 05/17/23 09:14 AM (8 months, 7 days ago)

The people on the right seem pretty set on violently overthrowing the will of the people, so I don't think they are concerned with expanding their appeal.

As for the report itself: everything was proper, no crimes were committed, and no political bias was uncovered. Hell, he didn't even show that the Clinton campaign/democrats intentionally pushed a collusion narrative, as Durham kept saying he would prove.

Based on Benghazi, I figure we should be having another special report coming out in another six months or so recycling this information again.


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: Psilynut2] * 1
    #28322999 - 05/17/23 09:17 AM (8 months, 7 days ago)

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Not even disagreeing with you , the fucking guy who was just convicted of sexual assault , your boy , didn't also collude  with Russia !  Good for you .




He was not convicted of sexual assault.  In fact, he was NOT convicted of sexual assault, but was convicted of defamation for saying that she made the story up....

So, he did nothing to her yet is guilty of stating that he did nothing to her (didn't have any idea who she was) and that the only reason she told the LIE was to sell her book.

Yeah, the left has not taken over and corrupted our system of justice.  Yeah, that's not a fucking terrible, scary reality.

Again, you idiots don't get it.  The government made up a complete LIE and tried to pin it on someone while making people, like YOU, subservient to their cause and objectives. Yeah, that's not problematic, huh?


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: Bobgas]
    #28323005 - 05/17/23 09:21 AM (8 months, 7 days ago)

Nowhere does the Durham report say that the government made up a complete lie and tried to pin it on someone.


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    #28323006 - 05/17/23 09:23 AM (8 months, 7 days ago)

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The people on the right seem pretty set on violently overthrowing the will of the peopleBAWHAHAHAHAHA!!!  What a joke., so I don't think they are concerned with expanding their appeal.

As for the report itself: everything was proper do you actually believe this?  I want to you copy/paste the conclusions of the report.  You CLEARLY did not read it., no crimes were committed 3 people were directly indicted for, you know, crimes. , and no political bias was uncovered BAWHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Uh, that was the basis of the entire report - that it was POLITICAL and PARTISAN, by definition. Hell, he didn't even show that the Clinton campaign/democrats intentionally pushed a collusion narrativeYou DID NOT read the report. Say that to yourself over and over and over and over until it sticks that you are actually CLUELESS.  You have NO IDEA what you are talking about.  NONE.  You do not posses even a single shred of fact based intelligence.  Search for "Brennan Notes"  Become just one tiny bit more informed.  Come back and amend your statement with actual FACT., as Durham kept saying he would prove.

Based on Benghazi, I figure we should be having another special report coming out in another six months or so recycling this information again.




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    #28323013 - 05/17/23 09:26 AM (8 months, 7 days ago)

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Nowhere does the Durham report say that the government made up a complete lie and tried to pin it on someone.




WUT?  Please, please, please, please tell us all that you are making a joke with this statement.  For the love of all things good, there is no way someone can be this far gone.

Uh, Champ, the whole report hinges on the fact that the entire investigation was based on ZERO predicate.  There was NOTHING there.  That is clearly stated in the report.  Equally, Obama and Biden were briefed by Brennan that Hillary was cooking up the fake scheme.  This comes directly from his notes.  This is direct source content that proves it was all a lie, that it came from HRC/Liberals and everything that followed was nothing other than nefarious purpose.

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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: Bobgas]
    #28323018 - 05/17/23 09:30 AM (8 months, 7 days ago)

Why you so triggered?

The Durham report also doesn't say there was "zero predicate." You are just making things up.


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He was not convicted of sexual assault.



You are right. He received and judgement from 9 unanimous jurors of his pears to pay 2.2 million for sexual abuse.  Kind of splitting hairs aren't you.  Would it be sexual assault in your mind if it was your daughter?
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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: gww]
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3 people were directly indicted for, you know, crimes.



And 3 people were judged innocent.  It ended up 12 jurors against one prosecutor claiming a crime but not proving such.  How can you hang on to this and spread it so?  But you are spreading facts, correct?
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Ps Durham was so proud of this fact that he did not even mention the court rulings in these cases in his report.  Humm...


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: christopera]
    #28323294 - 05/17/23 12:45 PM (8 months, 7 days ago)

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Nowhere does the Durham report say that the government made up a complete lie and tried to pin it on someone.



WUT?  Please, please, please, please tell us all that you are making a joke with this statement.  For the love of all things good, there is no way someone can be this far gone.

Uh, Champ, the whole report hinges on the fact that the entire investigation was based on ZERO predicate.  There was NOTHING there.  That is clearly stated in the report.  Equally, Obama and Biden were briefed by Brennan that Hillary was cooking up the fake scheme.  This comes directly from his notes.



The Durham report also doesn't say there was "zero predicate." You are just making things up.



It said "There was a complete lack of information from the Intelligence Community that corroborated the hypothesis upon which the Crossfire Hurricane investigation was predicated."

Bobgas's summary is accurate.


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28323306 - 05/17/23 12:51 PM (8 months, 7 days ago)

He then goes on to complain that the FBI used "raw and uncorroborated" evidence to launch an investigation. Note that he did concede there was clearly sufficient evidence for a "preliminary investigation", but iot a full investigation.

So there was evidence, it was simply a bit undercooked, and not enough alphabet soup agencies were repeating the same information.

I...I think the Durham report officially disproved the deep state.

Edit: hang on, hang on, something isn't right. Turns out that Durham. Was also using uncorroborated intelligence when he subpoenaed Clinton a year ago.

So I guess sometimes uncorroborated intelligence is good?


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Nowhere does the Durham report say that the government made up a complete lie and tried to pin it on someone.



WUT?  Please, please, please, please tell us all that you are making a joke with this statement.  For the love of all things good, there is no way someone can be this far gone.

Uh, Champ, the whole report hinges on the fact that the entire investigation was based on ZERO predicate.  There was NOTHING there.  That is clearly stated in the report.  Equally, Obama and Biden were briefed by Brennan that Hillary was cooking up the fake scheme.  This comes directly from his notes.



The Durham report also doesn't say there was "zero predicate." You are just making things up.



It said "There was a complete lack of information from the Intelligence Community that corroborated the hypothesis upon which the Crossfire Hurricane investigation was predicated."

Bobgas's summary is accurate.




It’s a summary of one paragraph in a 300 page document. There you again, cherry picking away.


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: christopera]
    #28323889 - 05/17/23 07:48 PM (8 months, 7 days ago)

Feel free to cherry pick some information that supports YOUR conclusion.  :popcorn:


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28324154 - 05/17/23 11:05 PM (8 months, 6 days ago)

Nobody was charged. No need to cherry pick.

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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: Kryptos]
    #28324189 - 05/17/23 11:45 PM (8 months, 6 days ago)

The point is that Russia-Gate was a big hoax, whether illegal or not.


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28324351 - 05/18/23 04:40 AM (8 months, 6 days ago)

How bipartisan was the Durham Report? I've been reading that it wasn't. The Senate Intelligence Committee that concluded that Russia interfered in the election had 6 Republicans and 5 Democrats.


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: Brian Jones] * 1
    #28324438 - 05/18/23 06:58 AM (8 months, 6 days ago)

The Durhmam report wasn't bipartisn at all, and it never attempted to discredit Russian meddling in the election. We know Trump's political team was in direct contact with Russian officials, there were a number of successful federal prosecutions (Trump's WH national security adviser to name one), and these conclusions were from multiple investigation. Meanwhile Durham achieved, "The FBI should done have better, they have admitted that, and in fact already started to do better before we published this."


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Lol no evidence of collusion



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    #28324482 - 05/18/23 07:47 AM (8 months, 6 days ago)

i remember barr and trump saying durham was going to expose the deep state. and all these democrats were going to be prosecuted.

no arrest. only 2 court cases that he lost. what a complete flop. i think howard the duck pulled a bigger win.


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: mushboy]
    #28324493 - 05/18/23 08:01 AM (8 months, 6 days ago)

Bar did his part by traveling to three foreign countries to loosen them up so they could collude with durham and it still is a nothing burger.  I find it funny that durham says the FBI did not have enough collaborating evidence from the other intelligent organizations. He admits it had to be looked at though. He just thinks it should have been looked at small instead of big due to this lack of corroboration. Could be that the other intelligent organizations didn't look hard enough even though there was evidence that needed to be addressed which durham agrees was there.
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    #28324509 - 05/18/23 08:15 AM (8 months, 6 days ago)

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How bipartisan was the Durham Report? I've been reading that it wasn't. The Senate Intelligence Committee that concluded that Russia interfered in the election had 6 Republicans and 5 Democrats.




I believe Durham was specifically picked by Barr because he spent 2016-2019 yelling about how the deep state was after Trump.


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    #28324534 - 05/18/23 08:42 AM (8 months, 6 days ago)

" the deep state " is just Republican slang for  The Department of Justice .


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The deep state is a ‘hey look over there!!’ while republicans do shady deep state shit.


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How bipartisan was the Durham Report? I've been reading that it wasn't. The Senate Intelligence Committee that concluded that Russia interfered in the election had 6 Republicans and 5 Democrats.



Did they find Trump colluded with the Russian government, as the mainstream media claimed for 3 years until the Mueller Report came out?


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Lol no evidence of collusion





That required a 3 year investigation to figure out?

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i remember barr and trump saying durham was going to expose the deep state. and all these democrats were going to be prosecuted.

no arrest. only 2 court cases that he lost. what a complete flop. i think howard the duck pulled a bigger win.



I don't know if it's illegal to conduct an investigation based on “raw, unanalyzed, and uncorroborated intelligence”, but it's unethical.


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28324910 - 05/18/23 02:16 PM (8 months, 6 days ago)

Falcon9....
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Did they find Trump colluded with the Russian government, as the mainstream media claimed for 3 years until the Mueller Report came out?



Did durham find that all the contacts that the mueller report or the republican senate report found between Russian operatives and the trump campaign did not happen?  Did Durham counter any obstruction of justice that was pointed out did not happen?  Durham had four years full time and what....
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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: gww] * 1
    #28324941 - 05/18/23 02:37 PM (8 months, 6 days ago)

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Did they find Trump colluded with the Russian government, as the mainstream media claimed for 3 years until the Mueller Report came out?



Did durham find that all the contacts that the mueller report or the republican senate report found between Russian operatives and the trump campaign did not happen?  Did Durham counter any obstruction of justice that was pointed out did not happen?  Durham had four years full time and what....
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Contacting Russians isn't illegal, and it's not the same as colluding with them on election interference.


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28324965 - 05/18/23 02:49 PM (8 months, 6 days ago)

How about unethical?


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: mushboy] * 1
    #28325000 - 05/18/23 03:05 PM (8 months, 6 days ago)

Why would it be unethical to speak with Russians?


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28325006 - 05/18/23 03:07 PM (8 months, 6 days ago)

Use your head.


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: mushboy]
    #28325063 - 05/18/23 03:45 PM (8 months, 6 days ago)

He’s got to consult the home office before answering


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: mushboy]
    #28325071 - 05/18/23 03:50 PM (8 months, 6 days ago)

Falcon9....
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Contacting Russians isn't illegal, and it's not the same as colluding with them on election interference.





It is not illegal or a reason to cry foul for the news to report that Manafort gave internal polls to a Russian operative.  Of course obstruction of justice is illegal even if you are not charged cause you are president at the time.
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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: gww]
    #28325156 - 05/18/23 04:53 PM (8 months, 6 days ago)

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It is not illegal or a reason to cry foul for the news to report that Manafort gave internal polls to a Russian operative.



He was just showing how popular Trump was.  Why should anyone care?


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28325164 - 05/18/23 04:58 PM (8 months, 6 days ago)

falcon9.....
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He was just showing how popular Trump was.  Why should anyone care?



What do you do if everybody decides they do care? Cry? Lose? Cry some more?
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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28325204 - 05/18/23 05:29 PM (8 months, 6 days ago)

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It is not illegal or a reason to cry foul for the news to report that Manafort gave internal polls to a Russian operative.



He was just showing how popular Trump was.  Why should anyone care?




Yeah so popular Hillary Clinton got two million more votes. HILLARY!


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28325390 - 05/18/23 07:50 PM (8 months, 6 days ago)

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i remember barr and trump saying durham was going to expose the deep state. and all these democrats were going to be prosecuted.

no arrest. only 2 court cases that he lost. what a complete flop. i think howard the duck pulled a bigger win.



I don't know if it's illegal to conduct an investigation based on “raw, unanalyzed, and uncorroborated intelligence”, but it's unethical.




Are you saying that investigations are inherently unethical? If you have clear corroborated evidence, there is nothing to investigate.


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