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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#25122284 - 04/08/18 02:00 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Lol I've never even seen the Buffy series, but if it makes you feel better to think I'm someone else then sure, I'm Buffy. I already told you I think bets are stupid and even if I was 100% certain I wouldn't make the bet with you because seeing you post some stupid signature would give me zero satisfaction. Therefore, there's nothing in it for me. You know what that means, right? Seems like you just don't do well with taking rejection or someone seeing through your bullshit. Guess the apple doesn't fall far from the Trump tree
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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: Mercurious]
#25122287 - 04/08/18 02:03 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ok, let's make a bet where there's something in it for you. $100?
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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#25122819 - 04/08/18 09:57 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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I wonder about the investigation in the FBI corruption probe, the alleges of the dossier obtaining an FISA warrant, and Hillary Clinton.
See's let if there are indictments and bracelets slapping on people in the government.
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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#25123437 - 04/08/18 01:33 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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No idea why you're so obsessed with making bets with people. I already told you I don't make them. Not sure what you're not understanding here. Not to mention, there's still nothing in it for me, as I would never give someone like you my personal information in order for you to send me money (or anyone on this site, to be frank). So just stop trying to deflect from the actual topic at hand and start trying to add some value to the conversation, for once.
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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: Mercurious]
#25123634 - 04/08/18 03:05 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Actually, the bet isn't "deflecting from the topic", it's gauging your confidence in your own position on the topic. You won't even make a silly signature bet.
On the topic, what makes you believe "There's an extremely good chance they HAVE found evidence by now"? Wishful thinking??? That's all there is right now unless you know something the rest of us don't.
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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#25123638 - 04/08/18 03:08 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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These stakes are meaningless. You guys should bet the loser has to get a fake pair of tits
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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: koods]
#25123716 - 04/08/18 03:47 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Has this been posted yet?
A new study suggests fake news might have won Donald Trump the 2016 election
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The study from researchers at Ohio State University finds that fake news probably played a significant role in depressing Hillary Clinton's support on Election Day. The study, which has not been peer-reviewed but which may be the first look at how fake news affected voter choices, suggests that about 4 percent of President Barack Obama's 2012 supporters were dissuaded from voting for Clinton in 2016 by belief in fake news stories.
Richard Gunther, Paul A. Beck and Erik C. Nisbet, the study's authors, inserted three popular fake news stories from the 2016 campaign into a 281-question YouGov survey given to a sample that included 585 Obama supporters — 23 percent of whom didn't vote for Clinton, either by abstaining or picking another candidate (10 percent voted Trump, which is in line with other estimates).
Here are the false stories, along with the percentages of Obama supporters who believed they were at least “probably” true (in parenthesis):
Clinton was in “very poor health due to a serious illness” (12 percent) Pope Francis endorsed Trump (8 percent) Clinton approved weapons sales to Islamic jihadists, “including ISIS” (20 percent)
Overall about one-quarter of 2012 Obama voters believed at least one of these stories, and of that group 45 percent voted for Clinton. Of those who believed none of the fake news stories, 89 percent voted for Clinton.

Clearly that isn't definitive by any means, but it will be interesting to see similar studies gauge the impact of pro trump/anti clinton propaganda.
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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: musiclover420] 1
#25123997 - 04/08/18 05:49 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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musiclover420 said: Has this been posted yet?
A new study suggests fake news might have won Donald Trump the 2016 election
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The study from researchers at Ohio State University finds that fake news probably played a significant role in depressing Hillary Clinton's support on Election Day. The study, which has not been peer-reviewed but which may be the first look at how fake news affected voter choices, suggests that about 4 percent of President Barack Obama's 2012 supporters were dissuaded from voting for Clinton in 2016 by belief in fake news stories.
Richard Gunther, Paul A. Beck and Erik C. Nisbet, the study's authors, inserted three popular fake news stories from the 2016 campaign into a 281-question YouGov survey given to a sample that included 585 Obama supporters — 23 percent of whom didn't vote for Clinton, either by abstaining or picking another candidate (10 percent voted Trump, which is in line with other estimates).
Here are the false stories, along with the percentages of Obama supporters who believed they were at least “probably” true (in parenthesis):
Clinton was in “very poor health due to a serious illness” (12 percent) Pope Francis endorsed Trump (8 percent) Clinton approved weapons sales to Islamic jihadists, “including ISIS” (20 percent)
Overall about one-quarter of 2012 Obama voters believed at least one of these stories, and of that group 45 percent voted for Clinton. Of those who believed none of the fake news stories, 89 percent voted for Clinton.

Clearly that isn't definitive by any means, but it will be interesting to see similar studies gauge the impact of pro trump/anti clinton propaganda.
It's called politics and it's been happening for a very long time, isn't that the whole point of it all? To win without breaking the law?
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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: qman] 1
#25124927 - 04/09/18 06:12 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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I would say it is to win without getting caught.
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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: Brian Jones]
#25125932 - 04/09/18 02:07 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Damn. The FBI just raided the office of Trumps lawyer, Michael Cohen and seized hundreds of documents.
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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: koods]
#25125933 - 04/09/18 02:08 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Fucking antisemites.
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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: Enlil]
#25125971 - 04/09/18 02:32 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Reports are it's related to the Stormy Daniels situation. Regardless, raiding a law office is a pretty ominous sign that there are serious crimes under investigation
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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: koods]
#25125999 - 04/09/18 02:44 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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And so it begins.
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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: koods]
#25126187 - 04/09/18 04:01 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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koods said: Damn. The FBI just raided the office of Trumps lawyer, Michael Cohen and seized hundreds of documents.
Not just his office but his home and the hotel he was staying in as well:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/fbi-agents-raid-manhattan-office-trump-lawyer-michael-cohen-article-1.3924200
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A person briefed on the Monday raid told the New York Times that agents confiscated emails, tax and business records, in addition to documents relating to the payment to Daniels. The records include communications between Trump and Cohen, the source said.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/04/fbi-raids-michael-cohen-new-york-hotel
It was also apparently a no knock raid, which I gather means they had reason to believe knocking might allow the destruction of relevant documents.
Also interesting is that Mueller just gave a referral for this raid and wasn't involved aside from that.
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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: musiclover420]
#25126197 - 04/09/18 04:06 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Sounds like they knew exactly what they were looking for and the criminal activity was ongoing.
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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: koods]
#25126202 - 04/09/18 04:08 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Funny that trump finally called out Putin by name and now it looks like his real problems might be crimes that had nothing to do with Russia.
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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: koods]
#25126212 - 04/09/18 04:15 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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koods said: Sounds like they knew exactly what they were looking for and the criminal activity was ongoing.
That does seem likely, and sounds like how the FBI generally operate.
Not sure if they could have gotten the warrant without a solid amount of evidence. The no knock aspect is interesting as well.
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koods said: Funny that trump finally called out Putin by name and now it looks like his real problems might be crimes that had nothing to do with Russia.
It was funny seeing the media try and paint that as trump "being tough on russia" when it seemed like all bark and no bite, probably pre coordinated with Putin to make them look better 
"Alright donny, I'll let you bad mouth me in public just this once."
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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: musiclover420]
#25126334 - 04/09/18 05:14 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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musiclover420 said: Not sure if they could have gotten the warrant without a solid amount of evidence. The no knock aspect is interesting as well.
According to FBI.gov:
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In the case of federal offenses that are colloquially known as white-collar crimes (e.g., violations of the federal securities laws), agents often will need to obtain documents from suspects and innocent parties as part of the investigation. To do so, the agents can apply for a search warrant from a magistrate (or judge) to search a particular site for relevant evidence. Alternatively, the agents can request a subpoena from a grand jury.
https://www.fbi.gov/resources/victim-assistance/a-brief-description-of-the-federal-criminal-justice-process
As shady as Cohen is, they've probably been monitoring him for a while, now. Round 'em up!
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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: koods]
#25126345 - 04/09/18 05:18 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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koods said: Damn. The FBI just raided the office of Trumps lawyer, Michael Cohen and seized hundreds of documents.
Welp, if you can't get Trump for colluding with Russia, maybe you get one of his lawyers for something unrelated and call it a moral victory?
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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#25126512 - 04/09/18 06:16 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
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koods said: Damn. The FBI just raided the office of Trumps lawyer, Michael Cohen and seized hundreds of documents.
Welp, if you can't get Trump for colluding with Russia, maybe you get one of his lawyers for something unrelated and call it a moral victory? 
You realize they seized many documents including some of Trump communications right?
Also this isn't just unrelated, the illegal campaign payoff to the porn star was part of it but almost certainly not the only reason for the raids.
You are free to think it's unrelated but the truth is we won't know until more details come out
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