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OfflineThe Ecstatic
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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: musiclover420]
    #25116993 - 04/05/18 09:10 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Lmao yeah i forgot you couldnt criticize Democrats without it being a logical fallacy.

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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #25116999 - 04/05/18 09:12 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Anyone who criticizes anybody but the worst people on earth are engaging in whataboutism.

Checkmate, everyone who isnt a bootlicker. :smug:


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #25117023 - 04/05/18 09:22 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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Lmao yeah i forgot you couldnt criticize Democrats without it being a logical fallacy.

Foh lib




It's not about criticizing, it's about writing off the GOP's crimes with a "democrats are guilty of other things" :rofldrunk:

That's barely even a criticism, it's pretty much a direct recital of propaganda.

For one no one is saying dems are entirely innocent, that doesn't excuse the GOP whatsoever. Also it's funny how you don't even bother providing examples...

:youseethisshit:

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The Ecstatic said:
Anyone who criticizes anybody but the worst people on earth are engaging in whataboutism.

Checkmate, everyone who isnt a bootlicker. :smug:




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Whataboutism (also known as whataboutery) is a variant of the tu quoque logical fallacy that attempts to discredit an opponent's position by charging them with hypocrisy without directly refuting or disproving their argument,




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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: musiclover420] * 2
    #25117084 - 04/05/18 09:54 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

The GOP sucks. The Democrats suck. Whats so difficult to understand about that?

Crime bill, welfare "reform," telecom act of 96, Syria, Libya, drone war expansion. Youre a moron if you think the Dems are innocent, or even worthy of turning a blind eye.


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #25117088 - 04/05/18 09:56 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Imagine rejecting the overtly fascist party and thinking youre automatically on the noble side of things :lol:


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #25117091 - 04/05/18 09:58 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

I dont support James Earl Ray assassinating MLK therefore I'm a champion of civil rights.

I look at politics thru a false dichotomy because my knowledge doesnt extend beyond whats covered on the Daily Show :cookiemonster:


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #25117106 - 04/05/18 10:07 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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The GOP sucks. The Democrats suck. Whats so difficult to understand about that?

Crime bill, welfare "reform," telecom act of 96, Syria, Libya, drone war expansion. Youre a moron if you think the Dems are innocent, or even worthy of turning a blind eye.




The GOP has a cult mentality and collectively sucks, where as only some democrats suck... It's not rocket science, my state has been heavily D for years and we have some great representatives. That's likely why we have legal medical and recreational cannabis already among other things. Who said all democrats are innocent? It's not black or white man...

Have you ever written politicians? I've written to my reps a few times and for the most part they seem like great people, and are almost all coincidentally democrats :shrug:

Democrats are not perfect clearly, I don't think anyone has claimed they are. No one is perfect after all, but I've seen way more progressive democrats that actually work for the people compared to Republicans which seem to almost entirely cater to private interests. Personally I think the 2 party system is incredibly flawed, but that doesn't mean both sides are equally bad...

Right now the GOP is doing a ton of really shady things, and we need to hold them accountable otherwise down the line Dems or another party could do even worse and there will already be a dangerous precedent...


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: musiclover420] * 1
    #25117122 - 04/05/18 10:18 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

A vast majority of Dems suck. There are maybe a dozen that are redeemable.


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: The Ecstatic] * 2
    #25117125 - 04/05/18 10:19 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

But nah lets play the horseshoe theory game where we feign outrage at the GOP agenda, only to take power and continue it. Better known as The Obama.


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #25117134 - 04/05/18 10:23 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

:notsureif:


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: musiclover420]
    #25117138 - 04/05/18 10:25 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Brilliant rebuttal


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #25117148 - 04/05/18 10:28 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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Brilliant rebuttal




There's not really anything to rebut, you've provided no evidence for your arguments or any coherent point except for "dems are guilty of other things" :shrug:


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: musiclover420]
    #25117161 - 04/05/18 10:32 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

If you wanna ride with "The Democrats are good" be my guest.


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #25117179 - 04/05/18 10:40 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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If you wanna ride with "The Democrats are good" be my guest.




They've been good for my state and many others, clearly they aren't all good just like not all Republicans are bad. The difference is the cult mentality the GOP has.

Even the few Republicans that have spoken up against Trump still fall in line and vote with their party even if it goes against what they believe.

GOP

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Also it's worth noting Mueller himself is a Republican and has been for decades, yet the GOP still has slandered the shit out of him in an attempt to discredit the investigation.


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: musiclover420] * 2
    #25117199 - 04/05/18 10:53 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

It takes a lot of denial to believe that the dems are any less morally bankrupt.


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: Enlil]
    #25117222 - 04/05/18 11:06 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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It takes a lot of denial to believe that the dems are any less morally bankrupt.




My whole point is some are and some aren't, while the GOP has a strong collective/ cult mentality which is very dangerous.

Anyways I think it takes just as much denial to believe that both parties are equally bad.


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: musiclover420] * 2
    #25117258 - 04/05/18 11:21 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

You don't think dems have a cult mentality?  Have you talked to a bill maher fan?  With all due respect (as much as is due), you already drank the koolaid.  I see very little difference between dems and repubs.  Any difference is just marketing/branding.  One is Nike and the other Adidas.  Both are overpriced, underbuilt, and made with slave labor.


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #25117330 - 04/06/18 12:09 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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You don't think dems have a cult mentality?  Have you talked to a bill maher fan?  With all due respect (as much as is due), you already drank the koolaid.  I see very little difference between dems and repubs.  Any difference is just marketing/branding.  One is Nike and the other Adidas.  Both are overpriced, underbuilt, and made with slave labor.




Dems do as well but to much more varying degrees. Look at hillary, plenty of Democrats hated her and voted for someone else or stayed home.

Some R's hate trump too but all the ones in power seem very hesitant to even call him out for fear of losing party support. Almost all of them consistently vote with their party, that is a cult mentality. Hell even people like McCain have come out and spoken against trump only to fall in line and vote for the very things they spoke out against. Like Trump's pick who has a history of literally torturing people :


Who is Gina Haspel? Trump's pick for CIA chief linked to torture site

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Donald Trump’s pick for head of the Central Intelligence Agency, Gina Haspel, reportedly oversaw a black site prison in Thailand where terrorism suspects were tortured.




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Haspel also drafted a cable ordering the destruction of CIA interrogation videos in 2005.

A US justice department investigation into the tapes’ destruction ended without charges, but the event helped spark a landmark investigation into US detentions and interrogations.

Christopher Anders, deputy director of the American Civil Liberties Union’s Washington legislative office, claimed Haspel “was up to her eyeballs in torture”.

Anders urged the CIA to declassify her torture record before the Senate considers her nomination.

This was echoed by John McCain, the Arizona senator who was tortured during the Vietnam war.

“Ms Haspel needs to explain the nature and extent of her involvement in the CIA’s interrogation program during the confirmation process,” McCain said. He called the torture of US detainees during the Bush era “one of the darkest chapters in American history”.




I think you guys are the ones who've drank the "both sides are exactly the same" koolaid :shrug:

I still think both sides are being played to varying degrees but it doesn't take much looking around to see which side has consistently fucked over the lower/middle class for decades...

I've also yet to see remotely the same level of racism or sexism from democrats for what that's worth. Wife beating seems like a R past time at this point...


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: musiclover420] * 1
    #25117623 - 04/06/18 06:10 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but the Obama cult of personality was the strongest "cult mentality" we've had in this country in my lifetime.  We have a similar Trump cult today, but it's significantly smaller. 

I don't know what to tell you, bro.  People in a cult rarely realize they're in a cult. :shrug:  It's like a catholic calling out scientology as a cult when both ideologies believe in mystical sky faeries and elevate a man to the status of a demigod.  Dems and repubs are little more than teams to root for.  Neither stand for anything other than the desire to win and gain power.


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Re: Court filing shows Mueller suspects collusion between Trump campaign and Russia [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #25117854 - 04/06/18 08:55 AM (5 years, 9 months ago)

I am barely able to remember JFK. That was a cult of personality.


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