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Joshemz
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Possible harmful miss identification?
#25103697 - 03/31/18 03:45 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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A few friends of mine consumes 1g of dried pan cyans that were identified here a few days ago.
Here's the identification https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25095217/vc/1#25095217
I'm just curious perhaps we consumed something danergous? Or do we need to eat more to reach a threshold dose? Are cow pat mushrooms less potent than cultivated mushrooms? Did I dry them wrong?
Mushrooms Consumed almost 3hrs ago We're dried in the oven on low for around 2hrs same day as picking Stored them in an open container over night afterwards to further dry them Furthe Dried them in the oven for 2hrs the next afternoon till cracker dry. Stored them in a sealed container. Consumed 3 days later
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Re: Possible harmful miss identification? [Re: Joshemz]
#25103735 - 03/31/18 04:32 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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1 gram each or 1 gram split between how many? Either way it's uite a low dose. Excessive oven drying can decrease potency.
I'm very sure I haven't misidentified these. Always fine to get a second opinion though.
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Joshemz
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Re: Possible harmful miss identification? [Re: karode13]
#25103751 - 03/31/18 04:45 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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karode13 said: 1 gram each or 1 gram split between how many? Either way it's uite a low dose. Excessive oven drying can decrease potency.
I'm very sure I haven't misidentified these. Always fine to get a second opinion though.
Sorry 1g each. I'm fairly sure you haven't either. One friend consumed 1.5g with no effect. Perhaps I have dried them incorrectly?
I would like to have the experience. I have about three grams left.from what you know, do you think it would be safe for one person to consume the rest?
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Re: Possible harmful miss identification? [Re: karode13]
#25103760 - 03/31/18 04:52 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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I agree with his ID, they certainly arent anything deadly.
The oven drying combined with the low dosage is probably why you feel nothing 
One person eating 3 grams sounds like a good time! Certainly no Physical risk..
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Joshemz
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Re: Possible harmful miss identification? [Re: bio_alchemist]
#25103772 - 03/31/18 05:13 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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bio_alchemist said: I agree with his ID, they certainly arent anything deadly.
The oven drying combined with the low dosage is probably why you feel nothing 
One person eating 3 grams sounds like a good time! Certainly no Physical risk..
Thanks man! A few of my friends were a bit concerned about consuming misidentified harmful Ones. They consumed them with all the information I had to offer and positive IDs. Just thought I'd get someone more experienced to elaborate on the experience.
Edited by Joshemz (03/31/18 06:43 AM)
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Re: Possible harmful miss identification? [Re: Joshemz]
#25103774 - 03/31/18 05:16 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Joshemz said:
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karode13 said: 1 gram each or 1 gram split between how many? Either way it's uite a low dose. Excessive oven drying can decrease potency.
I'm very sure I haven't misidentified these. Always fine to get a second opinion though.
Sorry 1g each. I'm fairly sure you haven't either. One friend consumed 1.5g with no effect. Perhaps I have dried them incorrectly?
I would like to have the experience. I have about three grams left.from what you know, do you think it would be safe for one person to consume the rest?
if someone got sick from them it happens to some people. my buddy always pukes on psych mushies. I however do not. But usually after he pukes he is tripping balls.
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Re: Possible harmful miss identification? [Re: Ziran]
#25103965 - 03/31/18 08:40 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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There are no toxic black or purple black spored fungi known. It's possible that you had a mixed paneaolous collection, if they didn't all have blue bruising, then they weren't all pan. Cyanescens. It's also possible that your friends that didn't feel anything, could have a high tolerance. I have friends that didn't feel anything their first, second and 3rd time with a 5g doses of cubes.
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Re: Possible harmful miss identification? [Re: Doc9151] 1
#25104015 - 03/31/18 09:20 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Doc9151 said: There are no toxic black or purple black spored fungi known.
None occurring on dung, but Hypholoma fasciculare and Leratiomyces ceres apparently give gastrointestinal upset.
But I'm nitpicking.
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Re: Possible harmful miss identification? [Re: Anglerfish]
#25104198 - 03/31/18 10:49 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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That's the thing about mushrooms, there are always exceptions to "rules" like that.
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Re: Possible harmful miss identification? [Re: Ran-D]
#25104213 - 03/31/18 10:55 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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I wouldn't call that toxicity necessarily, certain things just dont agree with some people. Take the parasol for instance, most can eat it and others get sick.
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Re: Possible harmful miss identification? [Re: Doc9151]
#25104505 - 03/31/18 12:47 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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In the future just spread mushies on paper in front of a fan. Oven completely unecessary and probably broke down most of the alkaloids. The high psilocin content in this species vs psylocibin means that they already lose much of their potency during the drying process. Applying heat is completely unecessary and can dramatically degrade potency. For a full-on trip, try making tea with fresh ones - it hits you much harder and faster. These mushrooms are quite potent fresh, and they definitely are pan cyans, from the pics you shared, so I’m pretty sure you screwed the pooch with your drying technique. Mushies, especially small bodied grassland species like this will dry very effectively in front of a fan. Exposure to heat or daylight after picking will rapidly break down psilocin - this the dramatic bluing affect - I’m guessing these were shriveled black little things after cooking. That blue/black is evidence of destroyed psilocin.
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Re: Possible harmful miss identification? [Re: Hamra]
#25104537 - 03/31/18 12:58 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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In contrast to pan cyans, liberty caps - another potent grassland species (temperate climate) shows virtually no blueing effect. This is because it’s main active compound is psilocybin instead of psilocin. Psilocybin is a far more stable chemical compound and does not break down during drying and storing - they can last for years with little degrading. Blueing effect = chemical breakdown = diminishing effects. Using a lemon tek, such as is described throughout this site, can help mitigate this chemical breakdown. Bottom line is heavily bluing species are FAR more potent consumed fresh - tea being a great method to but put active ingredients in a quickly absorbed solution, as well as killing any unwanted bacteria otherwise associated with fresh dung-lovers.
Edited by Hamra (03/31/18 12:59 PM)
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Joshemz
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Re: Possible harmful miss identification? [Re: Hamra]
#25110113 - 04/03/18 03:10 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thanks everyone for the responses! I'm pretty sure it sounds like the drying process was the reason for the loss of potency Going for another hunt tomorrow because the weathers been great. So I'll get some more practice drying them if I'm lucky ☺️. Also me and my friends are fine so we haven't consumed anything toxic. I still haven't consumed what I have left from this batch. But I'll do so soon and hopefully they work! Thanks again guys
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