cronicr said:

I have never seen ms not fruit.

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Tormato said:

verum subsequentis said:

that's funny. i have a little coir cake experiment going on at the moment too. i had a bit of left over coir and not enough grain so i loaded up a jar with straight coir, pc'ed it with the grains and nocced it up with li.

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Awesome! Keep us posted! I’m curious how this will turn out

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verum subsequentis said:

what ham said. i HATE monkeying with liners. it is so much easier for me to spawn, mix and level in a liner less tub.

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I literally think they are pointless except for removing excess water from dunk easier, but that's not that hard with a level tub and a nitrile glove, just takes a little finesse (and a little luck if the substrate is easy to break apart)

Worst mistake I ever made with a mono was picking a tub that didn't have a level bottom, because they were higher quality plastic/lids.  Had a bunch crumble on me because of that during dunks, so I only use level tubs now.  I've tried a few different dunk techniques and the best I've found is to take two pieces of glass, two full gallons of water, submerg the substrate for ~2 hours holding it down evenly with the two glass plates (squares or fitting rectangles) and full gallon jugs.  If I'm being lazy, I just dump two to four bottles of water on the sub after harvest, and then clean the pins and such off with the shower sprayer on low.  This can cause too much abrasion if you do it on CVG tubs.

FYI - the substrate has broken on me when not being careful with the glass plate/gallon jug method, but when it does work, that's when I've seen the most hydration, but it's not necessary, I was just trying to maximize yield at the time.  Ultimately just be careful not to break up the substrates, regardless of how you do it.

But yea...idk... monos are so self contained when made properly this stuff doesn't even cross my mind.

elasticaltiger said:

Yeah and theres no reason you can't just spawn a mini mono or fruit out of the jar to get your desired clone. It's a great way to pick genetics.

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verum subsequentis said:

i am tired of assholes ass well but have been encouraged to encounter lots of wonderful folks on this site.

I'm not only a fan of agar for the purposes of cloning and isolating. I also very much appreciate the speed of using living cultures. I LOVE not having to wait on and mess with germination but once if five years or so.

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Tormato said:

I also like the advantage is has only replicating high performing grows. Through cloning and isolating on agar you can zero in on some pretty powerful genetics and replicate it over and over again.

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I had a half day at work today and you guys are making me wanna do more plates

plurfekt said:

Tormato said:

I also like the advantage is has only replicating high performing grows. Through cloning and isolating on agar you can zero in on some pretty powerful genetics and replicate it over and over again.

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I had a half day at work today and you guys are making me wanna do more plates

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Tormato said:

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Lmao, I just might; new labor intensive job and I fucked my left elbow up yesterday (who knew that 20 year old iron filters were heavy when filled with salt and water - I sure as fuck did not know to lift it from the top either, rofl) so I should really let it rest for tomorrow though; my entire job is pretty much lifting which I ordinarily enjoy actually.

Still, I'll like never have days off now that I have a good job/steady hours...

Sitting here like "WHAT DO I ORDER OFF ZEE INTERNET NEXT??" like the unabomber's worst capitalistic nightmare.

Then I'm stunned with my spending logic: will I even have time for what I order?  SHIT.

plurfekt said:

Lmao, I just might; new labor intensive job and I fucked my left elbow up yesterday (who knew that 20 year old iron filters were heavy when filled with salt and water - I sure as fuck did not know to lift it from the top either, rofl) so I should really let it rest for tomorrow though; my entire job is pretty much lifting which I ordinarily enjoy actually.

Still, I'll like never have days off now that I have a good job/steady hours...

Sitting here like "WHAT DO I ORDER OFF ZEE INTERNET NEXT??" like the unabomber's worst capitalistic nightmare.

Then I'm stunned with my spending logic: will I even have time for what I order?  SHIT.

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The struggle is real! I do the same thing...I buy all kinds of shit and I'm like "Wow! I have all this stuff I'll never have time to play with! "

Tormato said:

The struggle is real! I do the same thing...I buy all kinds of shit and I'm like "Wow! I have all this stuff I'll never have time to play with! "

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By the time I'm done I'll have a complete lab, workshop equipped for a variety of metal, leather, woodwork, etc.

Beats the hell out of sitting around doing nothing, working steady.  But it does take away from the ability to have an open mycology schedule, which makes agar even more important, I have a fridge just for cultures/petris (empty atm, but not for long).

Yea, IDK how some people find the time, let alone the energy.  Sure is a good thing pasty plates have the easiest lids to make ever, the whole process from scratch takes like an hour, I may work that in right after I cook some wild turkey w/ potatoes and gravy.

The struggle is real...that saying used to make me so angry for a reason unknown to me, and now I'm just like...

Funny how a tread on Coir Vs Verm ends with liners, isolating and cloning.

verum subsequentis said:

Agar is beautiful for many reasons but it is not necessary. The most basic use is ensuring clean living cultures but also amazing is the fact that one drop of spore solution can be used for thousands of grows without much effort. You just transfer until you are sure she's clean and throw a little in a slant, let it grow a bit and throw her in the fridge and Bam, you don't need spores again for... A long long time.

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Tormato said:

Threads on Shroomery

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I RESENT THIS.  All that was talked about here was useful, relevant information.

If you are drunk and lost with a 2018 join date.



Nah, I've noticed this a lot, and it's far more forgiving in journals - many subjects relate to each other in academia / the sciences.

Take a group of intellectuals and throw them something controversial and pretty soon you're debating just about anything you can imagine, but it all traces back to the OP in one way or another.  Ultimately the reason this thread moved towards monotub techniques is due to the nature of how coir behaves being so nutrient rich/dense that it's a great bulk sub, which leads to things to watch out for with CVG tubs and so on.

Plus, people have already tried making cakes out of all kinds of shit, probably what led people to the bottle tek.

I made a PF cake with a pyrex dish and tin foil once, steam-cooked in a regular boiling pot before I owned my first PC'er.  I then took this PF cake which when inverted looked like an indian burial mound in a SGFC.  I then sanitized and shoved a wire clothes hanger through it, and mounted it so it was hanging in the air inside the SGFC.

RR then told me to quit trying to reinvent the fucking wheel and just make normal cakes for like the 10th time.

LOL

plurfekt said:

All that was talked about here was useful, relevant information.

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I agree..that's why I actually don't mind when they do get off topic for a bit