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COIR vs VERM on BRF???
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A question I have been asking myself for a while now. Seeing many people post, spawning BRF to bulk using coir, or cvg as a substrate. Has anyone here attempted to roll in coir after dunking cakes and putting in FC. instead of verm?

Edited by Mush Hunter (04/02/18 12:34 PM)

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Re: COIR vs VERM on BRF??? [Re: Mush Hunter]
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I've never done this, but I don't know why it shouldn't work,


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Re: COIR vs VERM on BRF??? [Re: Buho colorido]
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i think the coir would colonize and loose it's water holding property. it's too nutritious and that's why it's not used as a casing layer.


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Re: COIR vs VERM on BRF??? [Re: verum subsequentis]
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verum subsequentis said:
i think the coir would colonize and loose it's water holding property. it's too nutritious and that's why it's not used as a casing layer.


:whathesaid: Totally agree! The myc would devour it!


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Re: COIR vs VERM on BRF??? [Re: Tormato]
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I've seen verm being colonized as well when rh is too high.


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Re: COIR vs VERM on BRF??? [Re: Buho colorido]
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sure, verm can colonize but coir will colonize.


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Re: COIR vs VERM on BRF??? [Re: verum subsequentis]
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verum subsequentis said:
i think the coir would colonize and loose it's water holding property. it's too nutritious and that's why it's not used as a casing layer.


Oh, but we do use coir as casing layer. At least I do. Either as pseudo casing at spawn or late case


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Re: COIR vs VERM on BRF??? [Re: verum subsequentis]
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Buho colorido said:
sure, verm can colonize but coir will colonize.


:whathesaid: Yes verm can but not nearly as fast as coir will :wink:


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Re: COIR vs VERM on BRF??? [Re: Tormato]
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Is this why people crate the BRF and then shoebox it? Just curious as to why grating the cake and putting it to a coir substrate is a thing? Your cake is all ready to fruit, yet you're going to subject it to a situation where it may possibly contaminate and not really give you more bang for the buck that the cakes will already give you in a SGFC. From everything I have read here the avg. harvest of a four cake shoebox is the same as the avg. I have gotten putting them straight to FC. Plus you lose time as you wait for the substrate to colonize before initating fruiting conditions.

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Re: COIR vs VERM on BRF??? [Re: Mush Hunter] * 1
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Mush Hunter said:
Is this why people crate the BRF and then shoebox it? Just curious as to why grating the cake and putting it to a coir substrate is a thing? Your cake is all ready to fruit, yet you're going to subject it to a situation where it may possibly contaminate and not really give you more bang for the buck that the cakes will already give you in a SGFC. From everything I have read here the avg. harvest of a four cake shoebox is the same as the avg. I have gotten putting them straight to FC. Plus you lose time as you wait for the substrate to colonize before initating fruiting conditions.


You get more surface area to fruit grating cakes to coir


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Re: COIR vs VERM on BRF??? [Re: Mush Hunter] * 1
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Spawning to bulk, even with pf cakes, can significantly increase your yield IME.

You gotta add just enough water to your bulk substrate to hydrate it, so that you don't leech out any of the nutrients.

Coir verm gypsum(prepped well) is a somewhat nutritious sub.


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Re: COIR vs VERM on BRF??? [Re: Tormato] * 1
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:whathesaid:
Plus the coir holds water, and as you know shrooms~90% water, gives you more weight


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Re: COIR vs VERM on BRF??? [Re: Tormato]
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Tormato said:
You get more surface area to fruit grating cakes to coir


But if the end result is the same then how is the larger surface area beneficial?

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Re: COIR vs VERM on BRF??? [Re: Mush Hunter] * 1
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Mush Hunter said:
Tormato said:
You get more surface area to fruit grating cakes to coir


But if the end result is the same then how is the larger surface area beneficial?


Anytime I have ever grated cakes to coir the output was greater! That's really why I only do bulk now :shrug:


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Re: COIR vs VERM on BRF??? [Re: Tormato]
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And it's easier to keep conditions right IME


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Re: COIR vs VERM on BRF??? [Re: impatientguy]
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impatientguy said:
Spawning to bulk, even with pf cakes, can significantly increase your yield IME.

You gotta add just enough water to your bulk substrate to hydrate it, so that you don't leech out any of the nutrients.

Coir verm gypsum(prepped well) is a somewhat nutritious sub.


Buho colorido said:
:whathesaid:
Plus the coir holds water, and as you know shrooms~90% water, gives you more weight


Thanks guys! That makes sense. If you prep your substrate properly and dial in the FC I can see it increasing weight. Just the some of the post I have seen here with weights seem very comparable IMO. Will have to try this some day for myself I suppose to have a visual experience.(No pun intended :lol: )

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Re: COIR vs VERM on BRF??? [Re: Mush Hunter] * 1
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Not same, I get bit more on average so far in a bulked out grow vs cakes. I'm also finding unmodded tubs/shoeboxes are easier to stack, easier to care for than a sgfc, and they take way less real estate in the grow area.


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Re: COIR vs VERM on BRF??? [Re: Tormato]
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Tormato said:
Mush Hunter said:
Tormato said:
You get more surface area to fruit grating cakes to coir


But if the end result is the same then how is the larger surface area beneficial?


Anytime I have ever grated cakes to coir the output was greater! That's really why I only do bulk now :shrug:



Soon I will attempt a bulk! Just haven't decided if it will be with BRF to bulk or if I will just go straight to WBS or Oats.

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Re: COIR vs VERM on BRF??? [Re: LtLurker]
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That third pic in with the cakes is impressive!!  Big ole shrooms, on a little cake haha.


I would do oats, or milk.  Milo is my favorite grain.    But I've never used rye so it could be better, but I doubt it lol

My phone made milo into milk. Don't use milk for bulk  hahaha


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Edited by impatientguy (04/02/18 01:30 PM)

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Re: COIR vs VERM on BRF??? [Re: Buho colorido]
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Buho colorido said:
verum subsequentis said:
i think the coir would colonize and loose it's water holding property. it's too nutritious and that's why it's not used as a casing layer.


Oh, but we do use coir as casing layer. At least I do. Either as pseudo casing at spawn or late case


That's not a true casing layer. That's just a top layer of substrate. Some people just like to cover up their grains.


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