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Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful * 6
    #25103564 - 03/31/18 01:18 AM (5 years, 11 months ago)

Monotub-SGFC Hybrid


The original post can be found here ---> https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22993786/fpart/1/vc/1

I take no credit for this tek. I just reuploaded the images from the OG post. So I figured I'd repost her for the shroomery's sake. :super:




I got tired of using a SGFC for fruiting trays in (surface would dry out too quickly), so I wanted to try something a bit different.

I drilled 1/4" holes roughly 2.5 -3 inches apart in two rows on all sides of the tub, coming up to about 4 inches from the bottom.
The bottom has holes roughly spaced the same way in a grid type pattern.
The tub will be placed on 6 half pint wide mouth jars to allow airflow to circulate through the bottom holes.
I used a hole saw to drill the larger holes (1.5").



I soaked the perlite for thirty minutes before squeezing and adding to the base of the tub, just enough to reach the rim of the shoe box tubs I'm using.



My 6qt shoe box tubs were placed inside the tub first, then perlite was added.



The tubs were spawned on 2/29, and this is how they're looking now.
A top layer was added at spawning and a 1:2 spawn to sub ratio was used.



I'm guessing the dry rings around the tightly stuffed poly is a good thing?



Keep in mind that I'm using the "extra-loft" polyfill to stuff the bottom holes, not the regular kind. I wanted to see what difference it would make.
Top holes were dialed in with regular polyfill.



It looks like it's knotting up nicely, hopefully it takes off soon. I'll post updates on this grow as well as my other mini mono that I spawned using the same multi-poly technique.
Thanks for stopping by



And Here are some results from later on in his post.



And dried and encapsulated :super:



My build


I used the 66 Quart Homz Tub

Here is the one I built, Going to spawn some trays and test her out. Will post back results. The spawn trays I use don't even need to be buried in the perlite they sit almost even with the bigger holes.



Some cake results.









Some 2nd Flush Pictures



A few more updates. two cakes met their demise to trich. It happens guys.










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Re: Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful [Re: Ziran] * 3
    #25103587 - 03/31/18 01:42 AM (5 years, 11 months ago)

Honestly this is such a better alternative to classic sgfc.

The classic design is prone to drying out. We see people with blue cakes in sgcf's all the time.

Monos don't need holes on the bottom for air currents. You could argue that there is some heat produced by the mycelium that's helping things but there is water on the walls long before the myc starts to recover. This should be the standard design for fruiting cakes.


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Re: Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful [Re: elasticaltiger] * 1
    #25103589 - 03/31/18 01:46 AM (5 years, 11 months ago)

I might build one tomorrow. Just need to borrow a drill from my buddy for the big holes.


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Re: Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful [Re: Ziran] * 1
    #25103592 - 03/31/18 01:49 AM (5 years, 11 months ago)

Don't be a pussy, heat up a knife on the stove and hack that shit out!


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Re: Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful [Re: elasticaltiger] * 1
    #25103598 - 03/31/18 01:55 AM (5 years, 11 months ago)

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Don't be a pussy, heat up a knife on the stove and hack that shit out!




lol. I'd rather not fuck her up haha. Do it once, do it right.

I also, might add to the OP, I'm gonna do some micropore tape dialed ones. :super:

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Re: Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful [Re: Ziran] * 1
    #25104388 - 03/31/18 12:09 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)



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Re: Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful [Re: Ziran] * 2
    #25104519 - 03/31/18 12:53 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

Nice.

I want this tek to kill the shotgun fruiting chamber.


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Re: Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful [Re: elasticaltiger] * 1
    #25104540 - 03/31/18 12:59 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

I'll make one and try some cakes in it. I only need to mist once maybe twice a day in my SGFC. But it would be nice if I could leave for a day or 2 and not worry about who was misting em.

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Re: Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful [Re: Fascistbullyboy]
    #25104550 - 03/31/18 01:01 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

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I'll make one and try some cakes in it. I only need to mist once maybe twice a day in my SGFC. But it would be nice if I could leave for a day or 2 and not worry about who was misting em.




How many cakes do you put in it? How big is the tote?


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Re: Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #25104563 - 03/31/18 01:07 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

55 litre tub. ATM I've got 8 half pint and 1, 1 litre cake.

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Re: Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful [Re: Fascistbullyboy]
    #25104584 - 03/31/18 01:14 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

Shotguns really work better when you have them filled with substrate (like you do in the picture)

The more sub you pack in the more they hold their humidity and behave more like a mono.

When you only habe a couple of cakes you have to really mist a lot. As i said earlier, we see people with dried out blue cakes im shotguns all the time. I sincerely believe this tek will outperform a standard sgfc especially in situations where there are only a few cakes.


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Re: Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #25104598 - 03/31/18 01:18 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

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Shotguns really work better when you have them filled with substrate (like you do in the picture)

The more sub you pack in the more they hold their humidity and behave more like a mono.

When you only habe a couple of cakes you have to really mist a lot. As i said earlier, we see people with dried out blue cakes im shotguns all the time. I sincerely believe this tek will outperform a standard sgfc especially in situations where there are only a few cakes.





I have a bunch of half pint cakes that will be done in the next few days. I can see how they perform in it.


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Re: Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful [Re: Ziran]
    #25104613 - 03/31/18 01:25 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

This was definitely a thing people were doing back when I joined the board. I guess before
monotub's completely took over. I've done the perlite in the bottom of a regular mono, too, and used with trays.

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Re: Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #25107152 - 04/01/18 06:28 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

Came here trough a link in elasticaltiger's signature.
This looks good.
I have been thinking about starting a Panaeolus bisporus grow and I will need a new fruiting chamber.
This looks like a solid option.

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Nice.

I want this tek to kill the shotgun fruiting chamber.



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Re: Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful [Re: Dr. Freeman] * 1
    #25113683 - 04/04/18 01:04 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

Dunking our first two cakes to go into the chamber. :super:



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Re: Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful [Re: Ziran]
    #25113695 - 04/04/18 01:09 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

:takingnotes:


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Re: Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful [Re: McGrimm]
    #25114219 - 04/04/18 05:41 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

Sweet. I've had to put mine on hold as I'm in Florida for 2 weeks. So I'll have to try with a fresh batch when I'm back.

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Re: Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful [Re: Fascistbullyboy]
    #25114269 - 04/04/18 06:11 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks Ziran for the restoration! :thumbup:


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Re: Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful [Re: Ziran]
    #25114959 - 04/05/18 02:00 AM (5 years, 11 months ago)

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And dried and encapsulated :super:








What capsul size do you use, weight amount per capsul?

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Re: Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful [Re: shroomysnake]
    #25114991 - 04/05/18 02:35 AM (5 years, 11 months ago)

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Quote:

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And dried and encapsulated :super:








What capsul size do you use, weight amount per capsul?




that is a question for psilo. check the OP link at the top of the post.


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Re: Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful [Re: Ziran]
    #25114998 - 04/05/18 02:44 AM (5 years, 11 months ago)

Looks like 500mg capsules.


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Re: Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #25115206 - 04/05/18 06:49 AM (5 years, 11 months ago)

That is bad ass!

Its this kind of hybridization that i like to see!

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Re: Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #25115536 - 04/05/18 09:54 AM (5 years, 11 months ago)

Look like size 00 to me. I normally get 0.4 to 0.6 gram per cap.

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Re: Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful [Re: Fascistbullyboy]
    #25118590 - 04/06/18 02:41 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

I wanna see colonized bags (with bulk sub) buried in one of those things.


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Re: Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #25120730 - 04/07/18 12:43 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

3rd cake has entered the chamber. there will be 2-5 more going in within the next week.


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Re: Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful [Re: Ziran]
    #25120771 - 04/07/18 12:58 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

This is awesome man thanks I might give this a go also!

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Re: Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful [Re: Shrooms4life]
    #25120830 - 04/07/18 01:22 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

Would I be able to cover up the holes on a regular SGFC to make one of these?

& then making it look like the tub in the pics.


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    #25120856 - 04/07/18 01:30 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

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Would I be able to cover up the holes on a regular SGFC to make one of these?

& then making it look like the tub in the pics.




Yes. I dont see why not. just drill your big holes and cover everything else with duct tape. Id recommend getting a new lid thou, just for not melting tape with your lighting.


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Re: Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful [Re: Ziran]
    #25120899 - 04/07/18 01:46 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

If you have to worry about melting tape you're way overdoing it with your lighting.


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Re: Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #25120907 - 04/07/18 01:51 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

fair point. just being safe lol


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    #25120915 - 04/07/18 01:54 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful [Re: nothingtohide] * 1
    #25123498 - 04/08/18 01:58 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)



first pins are in on the cake in the middle. Ive misted these cakes twice. No bluing yet with only 3 cakes in the chamber. I think we might be on to something


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Re: Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful [Re: Ziran] * 1
    #25129761 - 04/10/18 10:10 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

Will add this stuff to op later. I'm feeling lazy. Heres some pics. 4 more cakes going in tomorrow.



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Re: Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful [Re: Ziran]
    #25132190 - 04/12/18 12:31 AM (5 years, 11 months ago)

That mushroom ended up 46 grams. :neat:


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Re: Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful [Re: Ziran]
    #25157026 - 04/22/18 06:31 AM (5 years, 11 months ago)

Great job man! Perhaps I will try this TEK after I've tried standard unmodded tubs :takingnotes: :super:


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Re: Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful [Re: iux]
    #25157036 - 04/22/18 06:42 AM (5 years, 11 months ago)

I just put my sgfc away because cakes were drying out. Might try this too

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Re: Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful [Re: Ziran]
    #25157241 - 04/22/18 09:18 AM (5 years, 11 months ago)

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first pins are in on the cake in the middle. Ive misted these cakes twice. No bluing yet with only 3 cakes in the chamber. I think we might be on to something



Not to be mean but those don't look thriving

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Re: Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful [Re: bodhisatta]
    #25160117 - 04/23/18 02:43 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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first pins are in on the cake in the middle. Ive misted these cakes twice. No bluing yet with only 3 cakes in the chamber. I think we might be on to something



Not to be mean but those don't look thriving




Yeah. The first flush off of that cake on the right there was 44 grams wet.

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Re: Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful [Re: Ziran]
    #25165948 - 04/26/18 01:25 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

hello world.



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Re: Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful [Re: Ziran]
    #25165952 - 04/26/18 01:27 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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I fucking told you guys.

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Re: Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #25165959 - 04/26/18 01:31 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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I fucking told you guys.

Ziran how did you feel about the maintenence level of the tub?




I mist like twice a day sometimes 3 times. And the chamber is about this full. I also have removed the tray cause she contamned out after the first flush :frown: but that's okay, the FAE went thru the roof to where it needs to be for cakes now.  I feel this is a chamber where if its about half to 1/2 to 3/4's full it performs better. But most new growers don't end up with a packed full SGFC anyways, So it would definitely work better for newer people.



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Re: Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful [Re: Ziran]
    #25165989 - 04/26/18 02:29 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

So you feel it still needs a lot of misting even though it's holding humidity better?

If I'm gonna do a side by side I think I want to do it as close to "set and forget" as possible.


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Re: Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #25165992 - 04/26/18 02:35 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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So you feel it still needs a lot of misting even though it's holding humidity better?

If I'm gonna do a side by side I think I want to do it as close to "set and forget" as possible.




On a good day, I've misted once. on the days I'm here to watch surface conditions its 2 to 3 times. I feel it can go a day or two without misting and be a lot better off than a SGFC would be. No bluing and I've had a day and a half no misting a few times.

Bout as often as some of the mini mono's I've done where my tape wasn't tight enough. I feel if I tighten up the tape it would be even less misting.

I'll do another round of cakes and tighten up the MP tape even more and see where that gets us.

These two cakes were on the days I missed my misting a few times.



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Re: Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful [Re: Ziran]
    #25166365 - 04/26/18 08:15 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Damn, this is a great idea. Wish I wouldve seen this when I first started. Probably wouldve worked out better for me. I definitely agree that SGFCs are more prone to drying problems, specially for noobies like myself.

Will definitely try this if I ever do cakes again.

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Re: Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful [Re: kayo]
    #25183241 - 05/04/18 03:46 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

another cake update. Some are on their 2nd - 3rd flushes. I've only been bottom watering the cakes versus dunking them. Had 2 cakes go down due to trich, but fuck they were on 3rd-4th flush. So fuck I can't complain.



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Re: Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful [Re: Ziran]
    #25183721 - 05/04/18 10:17 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Got several cakes going for my first grow, after searching for a good hybrid for a while, this post came up at the right time!
Two 120ml cakes started pinning in their jars last weekend so i built this and fruited them, I found pins on one last night (5 days)! Very under filled (80L) FC right now though.

The chamber placement is a little weird but it's the best I could think of. I live in a small cold (<15c) flat, so it's in a corner by my pc which is mining, puts out a little airflow and heat. internal temp doesn't drop below 17 at night, with a lamp on top in the day it's at 22c.

I had been misting 3 times a day, fanning straight after plus 2 more times between. Starting to get the hang of it, noticing hydration and going by how I feel.
Thought I saw some light bluing this morning, filled the lid with water (after seeing pins last night), it's either gone or wasn't there. If it was then it's most likely due to over fanning.

Will get some pictures when I can figure that out.

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    #25183951 - 05/04/18 12:00 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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Got several cakes going for my first grow, after searching for a good hybrid for a while, this post came up at the right time!
Two 120ml cakes started pinning in their jars last weekend so i built this and fruited them, I found pins on one last night (5 days)! Very under filled (80L) FC right now though.

The chamber placement is a little weird but it's the best I could think of. I live in a small cold (<15c) flat, so it's in a corner by my pc which is mining, puts out a little airflow and heat. internal temp doesn't drop below 17 at night, with a lamp on top in the day it's at 22c.

I had been misting 3 times a day, fanning straight after plus 2 more times between. Starting to get the hang of it, noticing hydration and going by how I feel.
Thought I saw some light bluing this morning, filled the lid with water (after seeing pins last night), it's either gone or wasn't there. If it was then it's most likely due to over fanning.

Will get some pictures when I can figure that out.



Never fan, that's the beauty of this fruiting chamber. Mist only when the cakes look dry.


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Re: Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful [Re: Tormato]
    #25185993 - 05/05/18 01:37 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

I'm really digging how I'm doing my dunking now. I'll release how I've been doing it later down the road. Added a few more cake updates to OP

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Re: Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful [Re: Ziran]
    #25186215 - 05/05/18 03:59 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful [Re: Ziran]
    #25189816 - 05/07/18 02:46 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

another good 2nd flush.



I was also noticing that they wanted more FAE so I took one piece of tape off of one of my bottom holes. seemed to help a bit.


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Re: Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful [Re: Ziran]
    #25217858 - 05/21/18 01:43 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Not sure what flush these two cakes are on. But by god. I'm pretty sure its flush 3 or 4. Only 6 cakes left.





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Re: Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful [Re: Ziran]
    #25219220 - 05/21/18 06:08 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Awesome! I haven't been able to grow since summer 2011 but when I am able to again I will definitely try this tek out. Thank you so much!

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    #25219845 - 05/21/18 11:06 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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    #25221814 - 05/22/18 09:18 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

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You're cakes are always so sick!

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Re: Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful [Re: Asura]
    #25222093 - 05/23/18 02:33 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

probably the last flush one these two cakes. But hey! Lots of good stuffs!



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Re: Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #25228550 - 05/25/18 06:35 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

Thank you for this info. I am going to try this on my next go round since I have not had much luck with my sgfc.

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    #25252785 - 06/06/18 06:51 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

I plan on using this set up, trying to get a good idea on how much perlite to order for a similiar sized tub. How many quarts of perlite did you use?


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    #25252795 - 06/06/18 06:56 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

just do the standard 4-5inches


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    #25252801 - 06/06/18 06:57 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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just do the standard 4-5inches




Yeah for sure, but I mean do you have an idea of how many quarts that is I am wondering if I should order 1 or 2 8 quart packs of perlite.


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    #25252900 - 06/06/18 07:44 PM (5 years, 9 months ago)

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Yeah for sure, but I mean do you have an idea of how many quarts that is I am wondering if I should order 1 or 2 8 quart packs of perlite.




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Yeah for sure, but I mean do you have an idea of how many quarts that is I am wondering if I should order 1 or 2 8 quart packs of perlite.




the 8 quart bag will be plenty if Im not mistaken.




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Re: Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful [Re: Ziran]
    #25352764 - 07/28/18 06:00 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

For my first grow ever (pf tek) I'm using this hybrid monotub build.  Using micropore tape instead of polyfill.

Wondered if I could get your guys opinion about the conditions?  I birthed 2 days ago, waited 24 hours to mist the first time.  Now missing between 3-5 times a day, trying to make my cakes “glisten”.

But I’ll be honest I don’t quite know what I’m looking for.  I get the theory but lack the experience!

Also I know my cakes look weird...made some mistakes which resulted in less than ideal colonization (see aforementioned comment about lack of experience).


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    #25352798 - 07/28/18 06:30 PM (5 years, 7 months ago)

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I might build one tomorrow. Just need to borrow a drill from my buddy for the big holes.




Wow I guess some things have changed since I took several years out but I don't remember sg havi g issues drying out if they were built properly are maintained as...

Since they should be misted daily it's quite easy tm bruise cakes from misting.

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    #25531394 - 10/12/18 05:11 AM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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    #25532294 - 10/12/18 01:19 PM (5 years, 5 months ago)

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I might build one tomorrow. Just need to borrow a drill from my buddy for the big holes.




Wow I guess some things have changed since I took several years out but I don't remember sg havi g issues drying out if they were built properly are maintained as...

Since they should be misted daily it's quite easy tm bruise cakes from misting.

Coincedentaly I've had cakes dry out with no bruisning




It doesn't really have issues. Its just high maintenance. I'd rather only have to mist once a day versus 3-4 times depending on climate/weather.


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    #25624489 - 11/19/18 03:02 AM (5 years, 4 months ago)

Is it ok when i put cakes in regular mono with 6 holes and perlite at bottom?


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Re: Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful [Re: Ziran]
    #25701487 - 12/25/18 02:30 AM (5 years, 3 months ago)

As a first time grower, I followed elasticaltiger’s signature link to this page. I think I am understanding the just of it, but get a bit lost on the polyfil and the special tape everyone is talking about. I don’t remember reading about that in the SGFC tek I read.

Is there a beginner’s tek explaining this hybrid fruiting chamber  for us newbies?

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Re: Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful [Re: DrMyco]
    #25702149 - 12/25/18 01:37 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

the big holes above the perlite are replacing the sgfcs swiss cheese holes. you just need to restrict the air in and out, just like a monotub.


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    #25702601 - 12/25/18 07:12 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

What is point of drilling the holes if you’re just going to plug them back up? Or is there a certain time to plug and certain time to leave open?

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Re: Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful [Re: DrMyco] * 1
    #25702751 - 12/25/18 09:06 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

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What is point of drilling the holes if you’re just going to plug them back up? Or is there a certain time to plug and certain time to leave open?




So you can adjust airflow according to your needs. In Summer when it's more humid (in most places) you can leave your Poly a little looser for more FAE and not lose humidity. In Winter when it's drier you can stuff them a little tighter.


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Re: Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #25702828 - 12/25/18 09:53 PM (5 years, 3 months ago)

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What is point of drilling the holes if you’re just going to plug them back up? Or is there a certain time to plug and certain time to leave open?




So you can adjust airflow according to your needs. In Summer when it's more humid (in most places) you can leave your Poly a little looser for more FAE and not lose humidity. In Winter when it's drier you can stuff them a little tighter.




Ah makes much more sense now.  Is it just the large holes that get plugged? Are the smaller holes for the air coming in?  Or do you have to plug the tiny holes as well?

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Re: Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful [Re: DrMyco]
    #25703139 - 12/26/18 04:13 AM (5 years, 3 months ago)

the very top two holes get plugged with less poly/MP tape and the other 4 are where you plug em tighter. the small holes are left open and will allow the air to come in through the bottom passing the wet perlite providing humidity into the chamber.


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Re: Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful [Re: Ziran]
    #25725549 - 01/05/19 04:30 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

Hey Ziran and to all. I'm a first time grower and just read this thread. I inoculated my first BRF cakes yesterday. Intrigued by this hybrid fruiting chamber posted here. I was going to try TNT style with aquarium tube water heater, because I live in Northern CA and my house is a little cool this time of year (between 60-65F) I will need to raise FC temp. I am unsure about hole size and placement on a TNT. Holes would need to be above water line I get it. But how many and size not so sure about. Would this Hybrid FC work with a tube heater buried in the perlite. Seems like it might need close monitoring so perlite does dry out from tube heater. Any advice is much appreciated.

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Re: Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful [Re: Zero Gravity]
    #25726495 - 01/06/19 04:48 AM (5 years, 2 months ago)

heat the room your FC is in not the FC itself. and just build one like in the tek for best results.


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Re: Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful [Re: Ziran]
    #25727418 - 01/06/19 03:14 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks Ziran. I'll give it a try. Guess I need to get a space heater.

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Re: Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful [Re: Ziran]
    #25798691 - 02/08/19 05:38 AM (5 years, 1 month ago)

Hey man great post

im looking to build the same fc as the one in the pics titled your build
you seem to have replaced the poly fill with paper and tape? is that correct or is it something else

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Re: Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful [Re: matw112] * 1
    #25799197 - 02/08/19 11:23 AM (5 years, 1 month ago)

yes. I use micropore tape. You can use either or, I just prefer the tape.


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Re: Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful [Re: Ziran]
    #25938794 - 04/16/19 08:08 PM (4 years, 11 months ago)

Wish this was a thing when I was trying to mix mono with sgfc in the oddest way possible. Big 'ol F :facepalm3:

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Re: Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful [Re: Ziran]
    #25938924 - 04/16/19 09:15 PM (4 years, 11 months ago)

Cool tek.

I made a similar SGFC by drilling 1/4" holes on all sides except the top (lid). Its been working pretty great in my opinion. It was inspired by the monotubs. Great stuff guys :popcorn:

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Re: Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful [Re: Ziran]
    #26052833 - 06/14/19 06:19 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

can you put perlite under the mix? instead of puting the monotub on top of the perlite.

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Re: Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful [Re: superdan]
    #26052947 - 06/14/19 07:42 PM (4 years, 9 months ago)

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can you put perlite under the mix? instead of puting the monotub on top of the perlite.




what?


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I've got pins!!! [Re: Ziran]
    #26073448 - 06/25/19 05:42 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

as a casing layer.  Just an idea.  But would it inhibit mycelium growth?

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    #26073464 - 06/25/19 05:52 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

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as a casing layer.  Just an idea.  But would it inhibit mycelium growth?



Perlite as a casing layer....no..just no.

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    #26073500 - 06/25/19 06:09 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

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as a casing layer.  Just an idea.  But would it inhibit mycelium growth?



Perlite as a casing layer....no..just no.

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    #26079799 - 06/28/19 07:32 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

not a casing layer.  underneath it all.  I went back and started reading mushroom cultivator from 1983 and realized my mistake.  Frackin nube

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    #26091949 - 07/05/19 05:42 PM (4 years, 8 months ago)

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The CASING LAYER above is a mixture (by volume) of:

5 parts course vermiculite.
3 parts perlite (treated -> see note)
1 part hydrated coir.
1 part oyster shell flour

NOTE: 1/2 the volume of perlite used.
Was ground to a chunky flour consistency in a food processor.
Then, remixed the the chunky perlite.

I have been tinkering with trying to find a "casing" mixture.
That, requires no pH adjustment.
(other than long term & could even be omitted))

As pH adjustment of peat is where many novices FAIL. :mad2:

I am not aware of any of the numerous casing mixture recipes.
That contain PERLITE:

Researching the properties of perlite.
I found this information.

Water retention by horticultural perlite is not an indiscriminate action.

The amount of water adsorbed on the surface of perlite particles
is a function of the particle size distribution.


Coarser perlite particles holds less water than finer particles.

Thus, by adjusting the range of particle size employed.

The amount of moisture retained can be regulated to suit particular requirements.


Given that fact.

I decided to try perlite in a casing mixture.

I also included "coir" for this reason.
Coir will colonize rapidly.
Which should bring mycelium to the casing layer surface rapidly.
(CAC'ing effect)

I first hydrated the coir.
So, the volumes would be equal.

Then, added all ingredients.
Measured with a measuring cup.

Then continued to hydrate the mixture.
Until is would pass a hand "squeeze" test.
Meaning, when you pick up a handful, it doesn't drip.
And, when you give it a firm gentle squeeze, it does drip.
(drip, not pour out)

I then bagged up the mixture.
(plastic bag)
Used a rubber band to close the bag.
(not so tight, steam cannot escape)
Nuked the bag 3 times, for 5 minutes.
(flipping between each sequence)

Then, sealed the bag tight & cooled overnight.

Casing layer was applied to a colonized tray, today.



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Re: Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful [Re: Ziran]
    #26164407 - 09/01/19 08:30 PM (4 years, 6 months ago)

Do you think something along these lines might work for fruiting pans and mexicanas?

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Re: Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful [Re: bongoman]
    #26176974 - 09/09/19 01:16 AM (4 years, 6 months ago)

hmmm, I don't see why not. if your conditions are on point yeah. Its definitely a lot more humid inside the hybrid chamber than a standard SGFC


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Re: Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful [Re: Ziran]
    #26500983 - 02/24/20 06:40 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Hi Hero,

can you tell me how you dealt with temp. maintenance with your Grow Tek? I am new to growing and want my first grow to work well.

I was thinking of heating rey berry bags in my 70 qt tub. Bags on a rack and heating pad inside the tub on a towel so I am only heating the air.

Then after mixing inoculated berries in substrate in same 70 qt tub, placing tub on rack and heating pad underneath rack and placing box over tub to insulate . This way I am heating the air inside the box where the tub is located.

I would do this until it starts to pin; at which point perhaps I just pull the heating pad?

Any thoughts?


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Re: Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful [Re: Sardo]
    #26501731 - 02/24/20 03:12 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Hi Hero,

can you tell me how you dealt with temp. maintenance with your Grow Tek? I am new to growing and want my first grow to work well.

I was thinking of heating rey berry bags in my 70 qt tub. Bags on a rack and heating pad inside the tub on a towel so I am only heating the air.

Then after mixing inoculated berries in substrate in same 70 qt tub, placing tub on rack and heating pad underneath rack and placing box over tub to insulate . This way I am heating the air inside the box where the tub is located.

I would do this until it starts to pin; at which point perhaps I just pull the heating pad?

Any thoughts?




just buy a small heater than can heat the room. direct heat to them is no bueno.


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Re: Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful [Re: Ziran]
    #26501759 - 02/24/20 03:35 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks. Got the "No Direct Heat".  Just heat the air around the berries or box.


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Re: Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful [Re: Ziran]
    #26803146 - 07/04/20 09:15 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Beautiful.

Something I could never figure out, why the aluminum foil under the cakes?

I thought the cakes were supposed to merge with the substrait?

If not, than what's the reason people have nutrient substraits under the aluminum foil?

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Re: Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful [Re: nektar61]
    #26803153 - 07/04/20 09:17 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

wondered about it myself- never done cakes, only cake-to-bulk... I think aluminum foil tends to stay sterile for one thing  :shrug:


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Re: Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful [Re: Ziran]
    #26803262 - 07/04/20 10:07 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I been sleeping on this one, looks pretty damn good man. I really like it. Gives me ideas.

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Re: Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #26805790 - 07/05/20 07:02 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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I been sleeping on this one, looks pretty damn good man. I really like it. Gives me ideas.




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Re: Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful [Re: AtmozFear]
    #26808849 - 07/07/20 11:23 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I started a thread about it and it was well-answered in the first reply:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/26804148/an//page//vc/1


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Re: Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful [Re: Ziran]
    #26902630 - 08/27/20 04:06 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

I whole heartedly agree.
Way better than SGFC!

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Re: Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful [Re: paul2day]
    #26902729 - 08/27/20 04:55 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Ha!  I literally have this exact build for one of my perlite tubs.  Mines a 64qt but man the hole placement and everything is eerily similar.  Works like a champ.

Edit: whoops.  Mine just has the larger holes up top (1 5/8 on mine) and a series of 1/4" holes in the bottom only.  Works great for my dry ass house and woodstove...


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Re: Monotub-SGFC Hybrid by Psilosoulful [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #27119956 - 01/01/21 09:01 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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I been sleeping on this one, looks pretty damn good man. I really like it. Gives me ideas.




This one did give me an idea. Thanks Psilo :rockon:

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    #28658213 - 02/13/24 10:10 AM (1 month, 12 days ago)

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Honestly this is such a better alternative to classic sgfc.

The classic design is prone to drying out. We see people with blue cakes in sgcf's all the time.

Monos don't need holes on the bottom for air currents. You could argue that there is some heat produced by the mycelium that's helping things but there is water on the walls long before the myc starts to recover. This should be the standard design for fruiting cakes.




I actually stopped using perlite the second grow around, that was back in 2011. I did drill a bunch of holes though but Today I drill like you just two fat holes and then if I feel there is some need I put a small fan on in the room..just for comfort most times. As long as water evaporates and the cakes have some casing (Hell I dont case my cakes as much as you did) and fresh air and light it will all work. Plus one learns the basics of growing.


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