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Re: March of Our Lives Protest [Re: Herbologist] * 1
    #25094797 - 03/27/18 02:14 PM (6 years, 3 days ago)

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Guns are used to kill people almost entirely by men, mostly by men under 40. Only women should be allowed to own guns.



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Guns are used to kill people almost entirely by men, mostly by men under 40. Only women should be allowed to own guns.





What if only women were allowed to be gay?  Cut down on aids maybe since there'd be less penetration?  I mean its probably most through males right?



Does that mean trannys would be banned from firearms as well?

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Re: March of Our Lives Protest [Re: bio_alchemist] * 3
    #25094799 - 03/27/18 02:15 PM (6 years, 3 days ago)

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Says "The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" ya dingus. Almost all handguns and rifles are semi auto

Also, I have never threatened anyone in my life. I am just being realistic about society.

Unlike you, I dont believe in fucking with other peoples lives and i take %100 responsibility for everything that has ever happened to me good or bad.

Instead of finding someone or in this case something to blame




you missed the opener: "A well regulated militia, being necessary for the security of the state..."

Up until 1977, this was important. It was within the collective right to bear arms of a citizenry in a state, because historically the state militia was also the police/fire people. Many laws were passed restricting individual gun ownership, notably the Boston law which prohibited storing loaded guns in homes and warehouses, as well as the ban on sawn-off shotguns enacted in the 1930s. Many states had occasional musters where all able bodied men with guns were expected to show up and have their guns inspected.

Then, in 1977, the NRA stopped being about hobby gun enthusiasts and marksmanship training, and became primarily a political lobbying group. Led by Harlon Carter, the NRA became an uncompromising gun advocacy group, which focused not on the first half of the second amendment, i.e. that of militias and good regulation, but on the second half. Suddenly, the second amendment was no longer for a state to be able to legally have it's own army for the purposes of revolt against a tyrannical government, suddenly it was about the person and his armed revolt against a tyrannical government. This was remarkably effective, because even now very few people know the full text of the second amendment, simply saying it is "the right to bear arms".

Now, if we are to argue that the word of the founding fathers is The Word Of God that must always be revered, then why do we forget a full half of those words? "A well regulated militia being necessary for the security of the state..." Nobody notices the "well-regulated" part anymore. Nor the militia part. It's all about personal freedom, which is not something I think the founding fathers envisioned. After all, British loyalists (US citizens) to the crown were forcibly disarmed after the revolutionary war. If the second amendment is all about personal rights, how do you explain that?

No, the second amendment has been twisted and re-framed by the power that want you to buy guns. It's now a free advertisement of US gun manufacturers. that's why gun sales go up whenever a democrat takes office, and go down whenever a republican takes office. It's giving a framework of fear that is economically useful to the same guys that advertise on the Call of Duty website.

Unrelated to the above argument, but related to the conversation overall-Gun violence has been in steady decline....up until Trump became the presumptive GOP nominee in 2016. Then gun violence started to creep back up.

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Re: March of Our Lives Protest [Re: koods] * 1
    #25094835 - 03/27/18 02:26 PM (6 years, 3 days ago)

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Like I said, I've seen your youporn page. Not exactly a resonsible use of firearns




My Pornhub or Youtube?

Wanna provide an example? Using firearms for Entertainment while following all the rules of firearm safety? "oh nooo, thats so irresponsible and sooo beyond social norms"

Or was it the video of me taking my feeble mother with stage 4 cancer to shoot guns for her first time? Only to find the ar-15 was the easiest for her to use effectively, and was her favorite?


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Re: March of Our Lives Protest [Re: bio_alchemist]
    #25094845 - 03/27/18 02:30 PM (6 years, 3 days ago)

Idk you tell Me if your pornhub videos involve you doing anything with your mom.


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Re: March of Our Lives Protest [Re: bio_alchemist]
    #25094850 - 03/27/18 02:30 PM (6 years, 3 days ago)

@Kryptos you obviously don't understand that the word "regulated" had a different definition in 1776 than it does today and the fact that there is a coma, before stating that the right of THE PEOPLE.

Our founding fathers were even asked this EXACT question and they made it very clear "I ask, Sir, what is the militia?"  "It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them." ~ George Mason


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Re: March of Our Lives Protest [Re: bio_alchemist] * 2
    #25094888 - 03/27/18 02:41 PM (6 years, 3 days ago)

So, what exactly did "regulated" mean back then? Last I checked it meant some kind of control was enforced.

And what kind of people? back then women weren't people, and black people were only 60% people. That's why militias consisted of "able bodied men".

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Re: March of Our Lives Protest [Re: Kryptos]
    #25094923 - 03/27/18 02:51 PM (6 years, 3 days ago)

Again im at work so its hard for me to post links and charts but please research and confirm or dismiss everything I have said on your own.

Well Regulated did mean control, but the ability to control, in this case the ability to use your arms effectively. In other words it meant an effective / well practiced militia.

"~ A well regulated militia being neccicary to the security of a free state".... "Then there is the Coma, and then the statement about "the right of the People to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED"....

Yeah a few slaves did fight against the british (10 - 15) but yeah OBVIOUSLY slaves werent allowed to be armed. For the same reasons I dont want to be disarmed...


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Re: March of Our Lives Protest [Re: koods] * 4
    #25094960 - 03/27/18 03:05 PM (6 years, 3 days ago)

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Idk you tell Me if your pornhub videos involve you doing anything with your mom.



Come on koods, don't flame the guy. You're  a mod, geez

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Re: March of Our Lives Protest [Re: bio_alchemist]
    #25094968 - 03/27/18 03:10 PM (6 years, 3 days ago)

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Again im at work so its hard for me to post links and charts but please research and confirm or dismiss everything I have said on your own.

Well Regulated did mean control, but the ability to control, in this case the ability to use your arms effectively. In other words it meant an effective / well practiced militia.

"~ A well regulated militia being neccicary to the security of a free state".... "Then there is the Coma, and then the statement about "the right of the People to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED"....

Yeah a few slaves did fight against the british (10 - 15) but yeah OBVIOUSLY slaves werent allowed to be armed. For the same reasons I dont want to be disarmed...




Okay, so, again-no control, no regulation, all about the person having the right to bear arms...even though people, plural, meaning a great body of people, such as a "well regulated [state] militia" is in the text.

Also, how does this explain british loyalists being disarmed? Not slaves, just people who thought maybe this whole "revolution" thing was a bad idea.

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Re: March of Our Lives Protest [Re: MagicMush123]
    #25094988 - 03/27/18 03:16 PM (6 years, 3 days ago)

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Idk you tell Me if your pornhub videos involve you doing anything with your mom.



Come on koods, don't flame the guy. You're  a mod, geez




He didnt flame me, I think hes just trying to be funny.
HOWEVER I would like an example of me being an irresponsible gun owner.

Otherwise his claim to have witnessed proof of me being an irresponsible person. Was an intentional lie to try and discredit me instead of taking my points head on. 

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Like I said, I've seen your youporn page. Not exactly a resonsible use of firearns





Im proud of who I am, and Im confident that the things I do with consenting adults are far from "irresponsible"

@Kryptos I dont know anything about british loyalists.. sorry :frown: though if it was before, during, or shortly after they were at war with the government I could understand :shrug: those people could have committed acts of terror against patriots


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Re: March of Our Lives Protest [Re: mycosis] * 1
    #25095072 - 03/27/18 03:51 PM (6 years, 3 days ago)

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HOW MANY PEOPLE ON THIS SITE ARE LAW ABIDING CITIZENS? :crankey:


:burke:

How many gun owners on this site lied on ATF Form 4473 (11.e.)
thereby committing a crime punishable as a felony under Federal law
and that "a person who answered "yes" to any of the questions 11.b. through 11.i
and/or 12.b. through 12.c. is prohibited from purchasing or receiving a firearm?"
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11.e.  Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance?
Warning:  The use or possession of marijuana remains unlawful under Federal law regardless of whether it has been legalized or
decriminalized for medicinal or recreational purposes in the state where you reside.




NJ law says that drunkards and alcoholics can't own firearms either, go figure.
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Re: March of Our Lives Protest [Re: bio_alchemist] * 1
    #25095092 - 03/27/18 03:59 PM (6 years, 3 days ago)

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@Kryptos I dont know anything about british loyalists.. sorry :frown: though if it was before, during, or shortly after they were at war with the government I could understand :shrug: those people could have committed acts of terror against patriots




Kinda throws out that whole "revolt against tyranny" thing, doesn't it? Only certain people are allowed to revolt against tyranny. Only the right people. Not the wrong people. Also see: Waco and the branch davidians, the fucknuts in Oregon.

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Re: March of Our Lives Protest [Re: MagicMush123]
    #25095105 - 03/27/18 04:04 PM (6 years, 3 days ago)

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Idk you tell Me if your pornhub videos involve you doing anything with your mom.



Come on koods, don't flame the guy. You're  a mod, geez




It's a fucking joke dude chill out


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Re: March of Our Lives Protest [Re: Kryptos]
    #25095116 - 03/27/18 04:06 PM (6 years, 3 days ago)

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@Kryptos I dont know anything about british loyalists.. sorry :frown: though if it was before, during, or shortly after they were at war with the government I could understand :shrug: those people could have committed acts of terror against patriots




Kinda throws out that whole "revolt against tyranny" thing, doesn't it? Only certain people are allowed to revolt against tyranny. Only the right people. Not the wrong people. Also see: Waco and the branch davidians, the fucknuts in Oregon.





Uhhh our country didnt exist yet... only %3 of the american people stood up and fought  against the government. They won, and thennn our country was born. :cheer:


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Re: March of Our Lives Protest [Re: bio_alchemist]
    #25095223 - 03/27/18 04:41 PM (6 years, 3 days ago)

And then, right after that, they took guns away from the people who thought maybe the british weren't so bad.

And our country most definitely existed in 1993 and 2016.

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Re: March of Our Lives Protest [Re: Kryptos]
    #25095283 - 03/27/18 05:04 PM (6 years, 3 days ago)

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And then, right after that, they took guns away from the people who thought maybe the british weren't so bad.

And our country most definitely existed in 1993 and 2016.




Im not sure when you think this happened.... but it happened in 1776

Proof?? A quick google search showed that british loyalists werent just people who didnt fight the government. they were domestic enimies that sabotaged efforts and fought against the patriots before and during the war.

However after our country was established they were welcome, and did come for our low taxes, liberty, and cheap land :shrug:

Im not going to pretend like I know anything about british loyalists, but I get the feeling you don't either :sad:


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Re: March of Our Lives Protest [Re: bio_alchemist] * 1
    #25095318 - 03/27/18 05:16 PM (6 years, 3 days ago)

https://allthingsliberty.com/2014/08/disarming-the-disaffected/

Mass disarmament started in early 1776, and continued onto 1778, at minimum, when not only was forced disarmament of anyone that did not agree with the revolutionaries implemented, it was backed up by fines. This didn't just include british loyalists, but anyone who did not swear an oath of allegiance to the revolutionary movement.

I guess that was during wartime, but non-belligerents were equally disarmed.

The point is that the "right to bear arms" seems pretty contingent on what the guys in charge want. And "fighting against tyranny" usually just ends up with a bunch of dead freedom fighters, that's why I keep bringing up the Waco siege. It's not a good argument for having guns, because they will take those guns, by force if needed. History shows that the big boys don't care what happens on the playground, but when they want to play, they'll take your toys.

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Re: March of Our Lives Protest [Re: Kryptos]
    #25095379 - 03/27/18 05:36 PM (6 years, 3 days ago)

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https://allthingsliberty.com/2014/08/disarming-the-disaffected/

Mass disarmament started in early 1776, and continued onto 1778, at minimum, when not only was forced disarmament of anyone that did not agree with the revolutionaries implemented, it was backed up by fines. This didn't just include british loyalists, but anyone who did not swear an oath of allegiance to the revolutionary movement.

I guess that was during wartime, but non-belligerents were equally disarmed.

The point is that the "right to bear arms" seems pretty contingent on what the guys in charge want. And "fighting against tyranny" usually just ends up with a bunch of dead freedom fighters, that's why I keep bringing up the Waco siege.





Thanks for the education! Though yeah during war time we have always changed things up for national security. Just like if your house is on fire and your inside, police arent going to get a warrant.

Obama signed the National defence Authorization act that declared our country at domestic war which allows the military to operate with total impunity on US soil. So right now the military doesnt have to obey the constitution. That bothers me :frown:

I disagree, the only time our 2nd ammendment rights where tossed around that I can think of was in the name of National security during war time (which I dont personally agree with but understand) or hurricaine Katrina and modern gun control laws of this last Century.

Waco texas was an Occultic child molester that claimed to be Jesus Christ and was illegally manufacturing machineguns...
So please don't suggest to me that he has anything to do with me, "freedom fighters"  or any other law abiding gun owners.

Also again the vast majority of firearm homicide and crime is gang and drug related. committed by repeat offending CRIMINALS not people like me.
Here are some stats from the Department of Justice to help put it in perspective...


* 64% of murderers who used firearms had been convicted of a crime.
* Each had an average of 11 prior arrests.
* 63% of victims had criminal histories and 73% of that group knew their assailant

Which is why I think to better our society we need to advocate against violence!! Violent offenders should be dead or spending life in prison. Not being arrested and released 11 times... I mean please does that really sound all that unreasonable? I want a safer society for my kids just like you guys. Nobody likes seeing innocent people die...


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Re: March of Our Lives Protest [Re: bio_alchemist]
    #25095445 - 03/27/18 06:03 PM (6 years, 3 days ago)

They were probably freedom fighters in their minds. Just like the Oregon chucklefucks.

Same DOJ stats show that about 70% of firearm homicides and assaults are related to an argument or a disagreement between two people. Gang or not.

This is why I bring up the UK-their assault rate is higher than the US, but the homicide rate is much lower. Because arguments are solved with fists, not guns. I remember an NPR interview with a cop who basically said "Yeah, I've broken up more than a few arguments where one guy was going for the trunk of his car and the other guy was reaching under a seat when I showed up".

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Re: March of Our Lives Protest [Re: Kryptos] * 1
    #25095462 - 03/27/18 06:11 PM (6 years, 3 days ago)

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So, what exactly did "regulated" mean back then? Last I checked it meant some kind of control was enforced.

And what kind of people? back then women weren't people, and black people were only 60% people. That's why militias consisted of "able bodied men".



Regulated meant trained and disciplined.  The militia meant every able-bodied male.


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