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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: DustyBottoms]
#25082899 - 03/22/18 04:07 PM (6 years, 8 days ago) |
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Is there some reason you can't you your words?
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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: twighead]
#25082975 - 03/22/18 04:43 PM (6 years, 8 days ago) |
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Religion or no religion.
Its all just another way to get people to cliche up and hate each other.
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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: twighead] 2
#25083204 - 03/22/18 06:27 PM (6 years, 8 days ago) |
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You have a fundamental misunderstanding of what Atheism is.
Atheism =/= Materialism =/= Nihilism
You are just lumping all these together into one stereotyped glob. The Atheimaterinihilist!
All atheists have experienced religion in some fashion, and experiences undoubtedly vary. You should not assume your perception is the most correct one.
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twighead said: Just at this point - with the things I've objectively experienced that have shown me that the universe is fucking amazing, intelligent, beautiful, whole - and a complete reflection of our own perspectives - I couldn't possibly view something like atheism seriously, and I'm sorry if that seems pretentious.
This really illustrates the whole problem clearly.
Your experiences are by definition subjective, because they are interpreted by your brain, and you are the only one who gets to experience them.
Many atheists have had spiritual experiences, they just interpret them differently than you have.
As an Atheist I too see the universe as fucking amazing, capable of intelligence, beautiful, whole, infinite, and I'm truly enjoying every second of my existence.
I wouldn't call you pretentious, just ignorant of Atheism.
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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: Svetaketu]
#25083270 - 03/22/18 06:54 PM (6 years, 8 days ago) |
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I'm fully aware of that - but I'm not talking about happy awesome open-minded atheists... i'm replying specifically to the topic of this thread which is "Atheists who shove their beliefs down people's throats" so if you're not an atheist who shoves your beliefs down peoples throats than nothing I said applies to any atheists otherwise.... I'm pretty sure this is the chief point that people aren't getting in my replies...
DISCLAIMER: I'M REPLYING TO THE TITLE OF THIS THREAD
#NOTALLATHEISTS
YES I UNDERSTAND ATHEISM I WAS ONE FOR YEARS AND AM WELL AWARE OF ALL OF THE FACETS/degreesofspectrum
#IMREPLYINGTOTHESPECIFICTHREADTITLE
Tho at the same time I don't understand why someone whose had spiritual experiences would specifically label themselves an atheist to a degree "o shi- we're all one, we're all the divine, we created this, we're all """God""" " - "But god doesn't exist!" - This is where the semantics get iffy and people disagree of course cause if you're going to be like - "Well I don't think the Christian idea of god purported in the bible exists - so I'm an atheist" - then yes I'm an atheist too still. "I don't believe some all knowing nigga in the sky exists" Okay then I'm an atheist too.
How I define atheism is - "I don't believe in any divinity in all of existence" - and by my definition, no I'm not at all an atheist
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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: twighead] 3
#25083352 - 03/22/18 07:36 PM (6 years, 8 days ago) |
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AA members who try and shove AA down your throat.
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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: Psyche delics]
#25083407 - 03/22/18 08:06 PM (6 years, 8 days ago) |
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twighead said:
Tho at the same time I don't understand why someone whose had spiritual experiences would specifically label themselves an atheist to a degree "o shi- we're all one, we're all the divine, we created this, we're all """God""" " - "But god doesn't exist!" - This is where the semantics get iffy and people disagree of course cause if you're going to be like - "Well I don't think the Christian idea of god purported in the bible exists - so I'm an atheist" - then yes I'm an atheist too still. "I don't believe some all knowing nigga in the sky exists" Okay then I'm an atheist too.
How I define atheism is - "I don't believe in any divinity in all of existence" - and by my definition, no I'm not at all an atheist
How about this: Yes, I have experienced that magic, which most people have attributed to god, but so far, everyone who has tried to define it has failed miserably, so ...
Guy asks you, what is your religion? Well, Guess what, if you had a spiritual experience on drugs, that's not an accepted religion. What I have experienced at church, well, I'm sure cult members have felt the same way.
I don't believe in god. (Guess what, that's atheist)
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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: flugelizor] 2
#25083411 - 03/22/18 08:08 PM (6 years, 8 days ago) |
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I don't believe in anything. Belief is for people who think they know what's going on.
I have faith that there is a higher power at work in all this.
That is all.
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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
#25083440 - 03/22/18 08:21 PM (6 years, 8 days ago) |
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Wait a minute I think I have the answer to this thread!
Of course "Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats are way worse"
Because it's easy to accept someone who is wrong. But someone who is right, and vocal about it!
Nobody likes that. OP, did I solve the thread?
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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: twighead]
#25083470 - 03/22/18 08:37 PM (6 years, 8 days ago) |
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twighead said:
How I define atheism is - "I don't believe in any divinity in all of existence" - and by my definition, no I'm not at all an atheist
Things quickly get confusing when you make up your own definitions.
But what the hell, I'm pretty sure flugelizor solved the thread-puzzle, so while we wait for his prize to be dispensed, why not get semantical.
What would you define as "divinity" and what would you qualify as existence?
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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: Jokeshopbeard] 1
#25083671 - 03/22/18 10:42 PM (6 years, 8 days ago) |
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Jokeshopbeard said: I don't believe in anything. Belief is for people who think they know what's going on.
I have faith that there is a higher power at work in all this.
That is all.
Interesting semantics to consider - and you could say this both ways really. I've heard faith defined as belief without evidence. What I would really call it, at the end of the day in my experience - is knowing.
My experiences of the quote "true nature of reality" have been just too laughably, obtusely clear, and consistent in their message that they hold vastly more weight and credibility within me than anything humans would/could bring up or call "objective" or "proof"
I would never say I "think" I know what's going on... It has very little do with thinking. I would say that I have felt - experienced - at the soul level - whats going on. And that isn't something that I could spew out into words, or form a coherent understanding of... try as I may to babble... it's just something that has to be experienced. And while I would love for everyone to in this life - it's also whatever to me because they're going to anyway when they 'die'
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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: Svetaketu]
#25083680 - 03/22/18 10:47 PM (6 years, 8 days ago) |
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Svetaketu said:
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twighead said:
How I define atheism is - "I don't believe in any divinity in all of existence" - and by my definition, no I'm not at all an atheist
Things quickly get confusing when you make up your own definitions.
But what the hell, I'm pretty sure flugelizor solved the thread-puzzle, so while we wait for his prize to be dispensed, why not get semantical.
What would you define as "divinity" and what would you qualify as existence?
Things get confusing quickly when you're talking about the nature of reality because inherently it is all our own definition.
You speak of atheism as if God is a thing that is defined
So we have to take a step back there.
You do have --your-- definition... and I'm assuming it's something along the "Christian all knowing beardy guy in the sky with sum judgements to dish out"
I don't share that definition.
Divinity? My definition: This.
Existence? My definition: This.
Awww yis
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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: Near Dylan]
#25083689 - 03/22/18 10:54 PM (6 years, 8 days ago) |
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Near Dylan said: I would rather give all my money to a church that I don't believe in and talk to 10 jehovah's witnesses a day than sit through one more rant from an athiest about how dumb he thinks religion is.
Christopher Hitchens can suck it. Am I right? Awe and mystery are part and parcel of human-ness.
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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: kakashi68] 1
#25083702 - 03/22/18 11:00 PM (6 years, 8 days ago) |
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kakashi68 said: athiests dont kill people because there a non believer or touch little kids, or become corrupt ect
Actually, atheists do kill people for believing. Stalin, for instance. And pedophilia is by no means limited to the religious.
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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: larry.fisherman]
#25083703 - 03/22/18 11:01 PM (6 years, 8 days ago) |
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XLCaps said: That’s actually way off base. Spirituality is very logical, depending on who you talk to.
When you talk to me it's not.
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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: sudly]
#25083738 - 03/22/18 11:24 PM (6 years, 8 days ago) |
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sudly said: Someone I work with met his wife in church though he believes in evolution so I've never gone any further, some people find solace in their own way, I find mine in the idea that we never stopped evolving.
And I believe that evolution is the hand-print of God, moving the universe toward perfection.
Regarding your signature: If Richard Dawkins can't perceive that the universe provides to each being the opportunity to love and be loved, he lives in a hell of his own making. And I don't mean he is damned to be there by some judgmental God. I only mean that if he does not see that, though the universe seems "pitliless" and without "good or evil", it is all redeemed when one person loves another, then his existence is by definition a hell to be endured.
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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: Svetaketu] 1
#25083805 - 03/23/18 12:09 AM (6 years, 8 days ago) |
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I'm so jaded I don't even believe in Nihilism any more.
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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: Baby_Hitler] 1
#25083811 - 03/23/18 12:11 AM (6 years, 8 days ago) |
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If I was in a crevice like that I'd be slangin' horse penises like mad on the side, ain't nothing to lose brother ain't nothing to gain, might as well feel the pain.
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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: twighead]
#25083819 - 03/23/18 12:15 AM (6 years, 8 days ago) |
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That's what the butt stuff is for.
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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: Jokeshopbeard] 1
#25084322 - 03/23/18 08:09 AM (6 years, 8 days ago) |
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Jokeshopbeard said: I don't believe in anything. Belief is for people who think they know what's going on.
I have faith that there is a higher power at work in all this.
That is all.
"faith (noun): strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof."
I know you aint prepared for Round 2 of the semantics game
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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: Near Dylan] 2
#25084339 - 03/23/18 08:20 AM (6 years, 8 days ago) |
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Near Dylan said: I know you aint prepared for Round 2 of the semantics game
You are 100% correct.
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