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The Biological Computer within. * 1
    #25079281 - 03/21/18 04:54 AM (6 years, 9 days ago)

If this were the case, we would know the mass of hardware has the potential to increase, as we all know what the results of working out can be.

That there is upgradable hardware in this scenario is rather elementary and I don't think it's suggesting anything new or out of the ordinary.

What I think makes this suggestion of the biological computer within a touching issue, is the mention of software.

If there is an issue with such a scenario, is it that there is no foreseeable manual for the software? Or is it that the hardware has a limited warranty?

In general, what do you think is a positive or a negative of this idea?


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Re: The Biological Computer within. [Re: sudly]
    #25079307 - 03/21/18 05:38 AM (6 years, 9 days ago)

I'm not sure what you're talking about.


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Re: The Biological Computer within. [Re: Peyote Road]
    #25079374 - 03/21/18 06:50 AM (6 years, 9 days ago)

Our conditioning is our software it seems, we run on Cultural Programming 1.0
I guess the best software updates come in the form of psychedelics, near death experiences, meditation, etc.

I always liked the analogy of the human being as a computer, because in essence, we are one.


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Re: The Biological Computer within. [Re: sudly]
    #25079444 - 03/21/18 07:41 AM (6 years, 9 days ago)

are you talking about the biological computer that is the brain?

or the biological computer that is the body?

or both?

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Re: The Biological Computer within. [Re: thealienthatategod]
    #25079472 - 03/21/18 08:05 AM (6 years, 9 days ago)

It makes more sense to think of the brain as a biological computer as opposed to the entire body. I think of the body in its entirety more as a biological machine. I view the brain more as an integral part of the biological machine, as opposed to its own isolated entity.

The problem with seeing the body as a computer is that computers dont have a lot of moving parts. The body is much more mechanical in nature.

Maybe a better analogy would be of a robot?


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Re: The Biological Computer within. [Re: Grey Fox]
    #25079510 - 03/21/18 08:25 AM (6 years, 9 days ago)

With AI, pattern learning or abstraction is beginning to approximate what we do through associative learning, but our brains only support linkage between what happened nearly at the same time, and finding things that have similarities to other things which may have happened at different times.

computers will do it differently than we do it, but they will do it (make associations with similar things and use those associations as pattern keys).

otherwise we actually have very little computer-ish in our nature. we are more action and media oriented with a big helping of flesh and rhythms.

our non-digital memories are lossy, we only retain what connects with and extends what we have retained. This supports learning by repetition, and conditioned behavior.


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Re: The Biological Computer within. [Re: Grey Fox]
    #25079517 - 03/21/18 08:30 AM (6 years, 9 days ago)

what is the body if not a device to store and process data?

it's just that it happens to do this, while moving,...

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Re: The Biological Computer within. [Re: thealienthatategod]
    #25079748 - 03/21/18 10:40 AM (6 years, 9 days ago)

not data, experience: stored data has the character of consistency as well as persistent - our experiences are stored with all our other experiences and simplified.
what we remember is not consistent unless we live consistently which is part of a person's practice if they care.


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Re: The Biological Computer within. [Re: redgreenvines]
    #25079818 - 03/21/18 11:12 AM (6 years, 9 days ago)

isn't data just a processed experience?

the building blocks of an experience would be data input, no?


i experience walking down the trail

the experience would be broken down into individual steps

each individual step is a bit of data that created the whole experience of walking the trail

but then,

each individual footfall would be an experience its self, if you had awareness of your feet,

and the experience of the footfalls would be built on the data of the electrical signals telling my foot to move



more then likely, you are not aware of your feets reactions while you are walking,

they have stored data that tells them what they need to do

you could be aware of it if you wanted, have the experience of connecting to your feet

but it wouldn't be necessary to walk down the trail

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Re: The Biological Computer within. [Re: thealienthatategod] * 1
    #25079847 - 03/21/18 11:29 AM (6 years, 9 days ago)

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isn't data just a processed experience?
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not in our brains,
no ones and zeros
no fixed media
instead, we retain a series of 'vague' memory objects that link with others that are similar, and link to each other as part of a sequence.
Unless we revisit the memory the vagueness increases, but if we do visit the memory it ramifies, picking up new linkages as it grows and changes.
None of our memory is solid like data.


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Re: The Biological Computer within. [Re: redgreenvines]
    #25080099 - 03/21/18 01:44 PM (6 years, 9 days ago)

I imagine memory as like aflower with a fringe at the blossomhead with three points where the vaguness increases according to how far from the bottom it is


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Re: The Biological Computer within. [Re: Ferdinando]
    #25081388 - 03/22/18 01:54 AM (6 years, 8 days ago)

Theres data anywhere.. not just in the human body.. but as a bio processing unit 1.0.. I can see the binary code of the boolean logic.. things as 1s and 0s.. things as true and false.. on and off

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Re: The Biological Computer within. [Re: Grey Fox]
    #25081460 - 03/22/18 03:13 AM (6 years, 8 days ago)

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Grey Fox said:
It makes more sense to think of the brain as a biological computer as opposed to the entire body. I think of the body in its entirety more as a biological machine. I view the brain more as an integral part of the biological machine, as opposed to its own isolated entity.

The problem with seeing the body as a computer is that computers dont have a lot of moving parts. The body is much more mechanical in nature.

Maybe a better analogy would be of a robot?




I don't think the brain on it's own would be able to compute much, it's not the only powered thing around y'know.

Moving parts and things with a biological origin I would think do intertwine, even if molecularly so. 

I'm also leaning towards such a definition.

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Biochemical computers use the immense variety of feedback loops that are characteristic of biological chemical reactions in order to achieve computational functionality. Feedback loops in biological systems take many forms, and many different factors can provide both positive and negative feedback to a particular biochemical process, causing either an increase in chemical output or a decrease in chemical output, respectively.




Any thoughts on the idea of a Biochemical Computer within?


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Re: The Biological Computer within. [Re: sudly]
    #25081544 - 03/22/18 04:50 AM (6 years, 8 days ago)

truths are probably patterns


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Re: The Biological Computer within. [Re: Ferdinando]
    #25082759 - 03/22/18 03:07 PM (6 years, 8 days ago)

Falsehoods are probably busted patterns.. without correct flow or something

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Re: The Biological Computer within. [Re: BrendanFlock]
    #25082812 - 03/22/18 03:26 PM (6 years, 8 days ago)

hahaha you're trying to talk like me?

I don't recommend that

that was funny brendan lol


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Re: The Biological Computer within. [Re: Ferdinando]
    #25082815 - 03/22/18 03:27 PM (6 years, 8 days ago)

falsehoods are less beautiful

you know I love you all


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Re: The Biological Computer within. [Re: Ferdinando]
    #25083897 - 03/23/18 01:25 AM (6 years, 7 days ago)

Patterns probably have reasons, or atleast a cause.


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Re: The Biological Computer within. [Re: redgreenvines]
    #25084054 - 03/23/18 03:37 AM (6 years, 7 days ago)

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redgreenvines said:
Quote:

thealienthatategod said:
isn't data just a processed experience?
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not in our brains,
no ones and zeros
no fixed media
instead, we retain a series of 'vague' memory objects that link with others that are similar, and link to each other as part of a sequence.
Unless we revisit the memory the vagueness increases, but if we do visit the memory it ramifies, picking up new linkages as it grows and changes.
None of our memory is solid like data.




I see no reason to think the data of a biochemical machine would be in ones and zeros, nor would it be only in the brain. As for fixed media, there might not be a hard drive in our heads but there are synapses that utilise electromagnetism.

I can only assume that by 'memory objects' you mean synaptic connections.
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It is widely accepted that the synapse plays a role in the formation of memory. As neurotransmitters activate receptors across the synaptic cleft, the connection between the two neurons is strengthened when both neurons are active at the same time, as a result of the receptor's signaling mechanisms.




Radio waves transmit data and I wouldn't call them solid.

And if you mean our memories aren't like ones and zeros, all I can say is that they're real or fake.


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Re: The Biological Computer within. [Re: sudly]
    #25084284 - 03/23/18 07:40 AM (6 years, 7 days ago)

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sudly said:
...I can only assume that by 'memory objects' you mean synaptic connections....



probably you could assume other things as well, but your language is loose as per usual, loose enough to miss important details:

the closest scientific placeholder term for memory objects is engrams.
synapses between neurons that form the engrams are involved, but each one only represents a part of a single pixel of the idea or engram or memory object.

an engram involves a constellation of excited neurons (with potentiated synapses).

engram activation can be partial or extensive and in combination with other engram activation.

in each case the mental object that appears is  an unstable mirage that partly resembles something (memory) and likely  resembles chimeric combinations of similar things from combinations of memory.


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