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Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats * 5
    #25078696 - 03/20/18 08:00 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Are way worse than Christians who do.

Discuss aggressively.


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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: Near Dylan]
    #25078708 - 03/20/18 08:05 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: Crazy_Horse] * 2
    #25078729 - 03/20/18 08:13 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Are you sure about that?  I guess I never noticed because of the sheer number of Christians who shove their beliefs down others' throats.




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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: Near Dylan] * 10
    #25078738 - 03/20/18 08:16 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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Near Dylan said:
Are way worse than Christians who do.

Discuss aggressively.




I've never had a athiest knock on my door trying to sell me on his lack of belief. :shrug:


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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: Near Dylan]
    #25078749 - 03/20/18 08:20 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

They're all cocksuckers at the end of the day.


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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: Near Dylan]
    #25078750 - 03/20/18 08:20 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

We're just trying to discuss a subject matter logically and with reason. 



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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: deucedbi9] * 1
    #25078754 - 03/20/18 08:22 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

I would rather give all my money to a church that I don't believe in and talk to 10 jehovah's witnesses a day than sit through one more rant from an athiest about how dumb he thinks religion is.


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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: deucedbi9]
    #25078756 - 03/20/18 08:22 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)


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deucedbi9 said:
Quote:

Near Dylan said:
Are way worse than Christians who do.

Discuss aggressively.




I've never had a athiest knock on my door trying to sell me on his lack of belief. :shrug:




What about your doors of perception?


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Psalm 12:6
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Hebrews 11:3
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Revelation 3:11
Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: Near Dylan]
    #25078759 - 03/20/18 08:23 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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Near Dylan said:
I would rather give all my money to a church that I don't believe in and talk to 10 jehovah's witnesses a day than listen to one more rant from an athiest about how dumb he thinks religion is.





You gotta admit that religion can be stupid, at times. 






Just kidding!  You opened yourself up to that one.


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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: Near Dylan]
    #25078765 - 03/20/18 08:25 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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Near Dylan said:
I would rather give all my money to a church that I don't believe in and talk to 10 jehovah's witnesses a day than sit through one more rant from an athiest about how dumb he thinks religion is.




Yeah and Christians are not crybabies for the most part


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Psalm 12:6
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Hebrews 11:3
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Revelation 3:11
Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: Shiithead] * 3
    #25078772 - 03/20/18 08:28 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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Yeah and Christians are not crybabies for the most part




:whatwhatwhat:


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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: Asclepius] * 1
    #25079029 - 03/20/18 11:10 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

athiests dont kill people because there a non believer or touch little kids, or become corrupt ect


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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: Near Dylan] * 7
    #25079039 - 03/20/18 11:19 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Most Christians aint true Christians, they pick n choose what they want to follow or go to church and talk about not holding hate or judgment cause one of the big things is to admit your human an imperfect creature and immediately get out and start talking shit about people who are not perfect or dont conform to their image.

To be Christian is to emulate Christ, basically do what Jesus would do and to follow the bible.
To many denominations are focused on traditions but if they actually read their bible theyd know that we cast away useless traditions and focus on what lies in the heart, thats whats separates us from Jewish faith they focus on traditions of man and reject Jesus.

True Christians do not follow any denominations only the Word.
Denominations were created by men for power and control, just look at the Catholic church.



Agreed tho, atheists that think theyre so smart and everyone is just stupid and scared are pretty fucking annoying et least the hypocrite preaching not to sin is given good advise.
The ones that take psychedelics then start with that crap are even more annoying just because they see how powerful a trip is.


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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: kakashi68] * 1
    #25079048 - 03/20/18 11:27 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Again not Christians, the way of Christ is through peace and to lead by example.
The crusades were for power and money.

I think Gandi said he would be Christian if it wasnt for Christians or something.
Im disappointed he didnt read otherwise he'd have come to the same conclusion about Christians and "Christians".

Atheists are most certainly capable of killing some1 who doesnt agree, touching kids and corruption.


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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: kakashi68] * 4
    #25079068 - 03/20/18 11:44 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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athiests dont kill people because there a non believer or touch little kids, or become corrupt ect



Naw they just do it cause they're empty shells filled with nihilism, apathy, and no valuation or appreciation for life or the universe :awesome:


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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: Asclepius] * 1
    #25079167 - 03/21/18 01:30 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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Yeah and Christians are not crybabies for the most part




:whatwhatwhat:



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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: Near Dylan]
    #25079169 - 03/21/18 01:31 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

"Way worse"? Nah. An atheist who is still into spirituality may be the most annoying of all though.

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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: kakashi68] * 4
    #25079191 - 03/21/18 01:53 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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athiests dont kill people because there a non believer or touch little kids, or become corrupt ect




:horly:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/League_of_Militant_Atheists#Activities

"The League of Militant Atheists aided the Soviet government in killing clergy and committed believers. The League also made it a priority to remove religious icons from the homes of believers. Under the slogan, "the Storming of Heaven," the League of Militant Atheists pressed for "resolute action against religious peasants" leading to the mass arrest and exile of many believers, especially village priests. By 1940, "over 100 bishops, tens of thousands of Orthodox clergy, and thousands of monks and lay believers had been killed or had died in Soviet prisons and the Gulag."

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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: Near Dylan] * 5
    #25079197 - 03/21/18 02:11 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

At least atheists are telling you the truth rather than trying to sell you on a make believe fantasy world based around a giant man in the sky who watches everything you do. Atheists are trying to get you to see the reality of the world you live in, whereas Christians and all other religions are trying to get you to live in ignorance.

If you're upset by the truth maybe that's a problem on your end.

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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: Near Dylan]
    #25079255 - 03/21/18 03:55 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Someone I work with met his wife in church though he believes in evolution so I've never gone any further, some people find solace in their own way, I find mine in the idea that we never stopped evolving.


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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: nooneman]
    #25079258 - 03/21/18 04:09 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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At least atheists are telling you the truth rather than trying to sell you on a make believe fantasy world based around a giant man in the sky who watches everything you do. Atheists are trying to get you to see the reality of the world you live in, whereas Christians and all other religions are trying to get you to live in ignorance.

If you're upset by the truth maybe that's a problem on your end.



O shi- its that T word!

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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: Near Dylan]
    #25079275 - 03/21/18 04:43 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

What is your belief system near dylan?


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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: Near Dylan]
    #25079290 - 03/21/18 05:08 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

What bothers me are those who seem to take their religion as an excuse to judge and live in hypocrisy. “Christianity” like most of our “religions” is used in a custom way to cater for the “believing” “sinner”.

A seat of comfort and reconciliation.

A guilty conscience is not rewarded, so forgive yourself. :peace:

I’m just talking poopoo though.

If god were real I’d listen to him/her only and no other man claiming to speak on his/her behalf.

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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #25079299 - 03/21/18 05:17 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)



Yes christianity offers some comfort. Particularly in death.
But IMHO sometimes it's OK to be uncomfortable.

For instance if your intuition tells you there is no such thing as;
-virgin birth
-walking on water
-all animals fitting on an ancient boat
-An all loving all powerful god who sends you to burn in eternity, but forgives you if you are enough of a sheep to ignore your intuition and follow the crowd.

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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: flugelizor]
    #25079302 - 03/21/18 05:23 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

:manofapproval:

Though, everyone is full of shit. Even atheists. We're not anything but human, in my opinion...And we extrapolate with imagination.

We are slaves to each other. And to fear, anger, all those things. Which we are all subjected to.

The best we can do is try to be good humans. Whatever love is, it is the best option.

Even if you're a straight up self-proclaimed asshole or selfish person, love and teamwork is your BEST bet at the BEST possible and pleasurable life.

You don't have to follow any religion or fear any god to understand the implications of whatever positive messages they may contain.

The dividing line between "believer" and "non-believer" is the true evil in this case, I'd say. And seems to be purely image driven. :heart:

It is the proper application of love/understanding which should concern us all.

Not what you think, but how you think.

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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: flugelizor]
    #25079306 - 03/21/18 05:36 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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Yes christianity offers some comfort. Particularly in death.
But IMHO sometimes it's OK to be uncomfortable.

For instance if your intuition tells you there is no such thing as;
-virgin birth
-walking on water
-all animals fitting on an ancient boat
-An all loving all powerful god who sends you to burn in eternity, but forgives you if you are enough of a sheep to ignore your intuition and follow the crowd.




OP, I see what you mean.
I bet that was pretty annoying to someone who doesn't agree.
I think you will find most atheists only say these things when provoked.

If there is nobody telling me he parted the red sea, I don't have to tell him he is "stretching the truth"

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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: flugelizor]
    #25079321 - 03/21/18 05:59 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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If there is nobody telling me he parted the red sea, I don't have to tell him he is "stretching the truth"




Or... "all animals fitting on an ancient boat."

A boat towed by Rudolph the red nosed whale no doubt.
I imagine the wake on that thing alone would have swamped much of the earth.
Noah. The original discoverer of the Americas. Or should that be the knowacas :lol:


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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: deucedbi9] * 2
    #25079324 - 03/21/18 06:06 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

We have yet to see everything...so who are we to say what is or isn’t possible.

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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: nooneman]
    #25079343 - 03/21/18 06:28 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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At least atheists are telling you the truth rather than trying to sell you on a make believe fantasy world based around a giant man in the sky who watches everything you do. Atheists are trying to get you to see the reality of the world you live in, whereas Christians and all other religions are trying to get you to live in ignorance.

If you're upset by the truth maybe that's a problem on your end.



A lot of us have really been waiting a long time for this Truth thing so if you don't mind elucidating us that would be great.

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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #25079347 - 03/21/18 06:33 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Where do atheists get their morals?

How do they find common ground on morals?


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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: XUL] * 5
    #25079367 - 03/21/18 06:47 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Where do animals find their morals to protect their young and multiply? Or lounge in the sun?

Who is this source and why must we know it to be moral? Is it on purely this you base your own? And why is yours more “correct” than another?

I am the reincarnation of Plipi The Dildo Dodo, listen to my words! For I shall lead thee to the promisesd ear-canal of the mighty Swan, filled with vast vistas of gum drop trees and jelly rivers. Deny my word, and thy shall be excommunicated to burn in eternal silence upon thy mouth!

The unknown is of such brevity that only God knows! Would you dare take the chance to not believe in me!?

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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: remake]
    #25079375 - 03/21/18 06:50 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Hail Plipi, purveyor of male orgasm.

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    #25079378 - 03/21/18 06:53 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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Where do animals find their morals to protect their young and multiply? Or lounge in the sun?

Who is this source and why must we know it to be moral? Is it on purely this you base your own? And why is yours more “correct” than another?







>Where do animals find their morals to protect their young and multiply? Or lounge in the sun?

Animals don't have morals. One cannot prove that animals even ascertain what a moral is. Lounging in the sun is not a moral.

>And why is yours more “correct” than another?

I wouldn't call it more correct, but the outcomes of the the given religion are better.


Where do atheists get their morals?


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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: XUL]
    #25079385 - 03/21/18 06:55 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Trial and error. Just like religion evolved from it's onset to what you have in your hands and pants right now! YEAH!

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    #25079390 - 03/21/18 07:01 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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Trial and error. Just like religion evolved from it's onset to what you have in your hands and pants right now! YEAH!

:peace:




Am I correct in saying: every time someone becomes an atheist, they will need to discover their morals through trial and error?


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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: XUL] * 2
    #25079405 - 03/21/18 07:10 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

I get my morals from my study of ethics :wink:

Not from some guy in the sky :smirk:

Evolution of morality


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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: trendal]
    #25079406 - 03/21/18 07:12 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Morals stem from being in touch with your feelings.


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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #25079409 - 03/21/18 07:14 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Not necessarily...

Some of us were very clearly not in touch with our feelings...and yet we still had a very strong sense of morality.


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    #25079422 - 03/21/18 07:27 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Who are the some to which you refer?


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    #25079430 - 03/21/18 07:30 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Exactly. The reason for the aggression towards their belief lies in the fact that most Atheist are in the need to justify that their beliefs are valid. Who wants to hear about the possibility of going to Hell for your lack of belief in a God?

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    #25079438 - 03/21/18 07:37 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Myself :smirk:


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    #25079439 - 03/21/18 07:37 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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Are way worse than Christians who do.

Discuss aggressively.




As someone who has witnessed the supernatural many times (but couldn't necessarily demonstrate it repeatedly), I've found the people you describe to be unbearably pretentious.

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    #25079443 - 03/21/18 07:40 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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Morals stem from being in touch with your feelings.




Its also built-in our frontal cortex. Thats why some serial killers are considered "mentally unstable" as their area of morality is damaged/unbalanced and they dont know right from wrong. Its all the same to them.

Also why drunks do bad thangs while drunk.

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    #25079452 - 03/21/18 07:51 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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Trial and error. Just like religion evolved from it's onset to what you have in your hands and pants right now! YEAH!

:peace:




Am I correct in saying: every time someone becomes an atheist, they will need to discover their morals through trial and error?




No, whether you are an atheist, christian, muslim, jew, whatever you are! we are ALL - HERE - NOW - TOGETHER.

And here, now, together is where morals actually makes logical sense in terms of comfort, pleasure, and survival. It is not something a person who "believes" has over someone who "disbelieves". There is no distinction of where we are, now, other than wherever you yourself decide to make that division. But in doing so, you are only fooling yourself. We are still on the same planet, seeing the same shit.

Morals actually make sense.

We should rather ask:

"What can we do together, despite religious fear, or pride, or whatever humans get caught up in, to make life better for ourselves, and our children?"

If this question is deemed to absolutely NEED the answer of GOD, I'd think he/she would be quite disappointed in his children's need for co-dependency.

I don't need the answer GOD to do good things, in fact, that statement wants me to believe less in god and do more good things despite him! :peace: :heart:

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    #25079475 - 03/21/18 08:06 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

What scares me is people with the "authority of god" behind them. Then you can reason yourself to do ANYTHING. You can justify all your actions as being "good", everything you dislike as "evil".

I'm not anything, for now. :cheers:

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    #25079483 - 03/21/18 08:12 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

I find both groups at least somewhat annoying in some ways.  Hardcore Christians tend to believe they have a moral high ground, and most of them are extremely hypocritical.  Vocal atheists believe themselves to be intellectually superior and are hella smug.  Of course neither group is 100% like this, so when I meet a shitty person in either camp, I think “wow, that person is a real asshole” and try not to think of the whole collective like that.

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    #25079496 - 03/21/18 08:18 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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XUL said:
Quote:

FranniePilgrim said:
Trial and error. Just like religion evolved from it's onset to what you have in your hands and pants right now! YEAH!

:peace:




Am I correct in saying: every time someone becomes an atheist, they will need to discover their morals through trial and error?




No, whether you are an atheist, christian, muslim, jew, whatever you are! we are ALL - HERE - NOW - TOGETHER.

And here, now, together is where morals actually makes logical sense in terms of comfort, pleasure, and survival. It is not something a person who "believes" has over someone who "disbelieves". There is no distinction of where we are, now, other than wherever you yourself decide to make that division. But in doing so, you are only fooling yourself. We are still on the same planet, seeing the same shit.

We should rather ask:

"What can we do together, despite religious fear, or pride, or whatever humans get caught up in, to make life better for ourselves, and our children?"

If this question is deemed to absolutely NEED the answer of GOD, I'd think he/she would be quite disappointed in his children's need for co-dependency.

I don't need the answer GOD to do good things, in fact, that statement wants me to believe less in god and do more good things despite him! :peace: :heart:




>morals actually makes logical sense in terms of comfort, pleasure, and survival
Who decides what age is too young to consent for sex?

>We are still on the same planet, seeing the same shit.
Which is why having a similar outlook makes things less complicated. The guy down the street might like having sex with 15 year olds, but that doesn't mean the rest of the neighborhood does.

>to make life better for ourselves, and our children?"
Well, if we follow Muhammad, then I suppose it's okay. If you are from America, pedophilia is ostracized. Interestingly, our country has many remnants of the Christian God throughout its history, which probably means American Christians do not approve of young children having sex.

And America is one of the greatest countries in history.

You still didn't answer my question.

When a person becomes an atheist, must they conceive their morals through trial and error? Are they handed morals from somebody? Who decides the issues like pedophilia?


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    #25079497 - 03/21/18 08:18 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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Where do atheists get their morals?

How do they find common ground on morals?




Seriously? we are people with a conscience just like you.

When you do something wrong, do you feel bad for the person you harmed, or bad because you won't get your heaven?

If it's the latter, I have a special loophole for you.
Christians can do anything they want, as long as they tell god they are sorry.
You don't find that kind of moral gray area in the secular world.

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    #25079500 - 03/21/18 08:20 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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What scares me is people with the "authority of god" behind them. Then you can reason yourself to do ANYTHING. You can justify all your actions as being "good", everything you dislike as "evil".



I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do because I notice it always coincides with their own desires.
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try not to think of the whole collective like that.



Hellagree. That's the only mature way of looking at this thing; to see us all as unique individuals rather than judging someone for the camp in which they reside. Who knows the reasons they're there, after all?


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    #25079504 - 03/21/18 08:22 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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And America is one of the greatest countries in history.



Oh God, not this again.

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    #25079505 - 03/21/18 08:23 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

This got more replies than I expected this soon, so consider this post a big reply to everything that was said in this thread, starting with:

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What is your belief system near dylan?



I juggle with athiesm/nihilism, and the belief in the "all", so to speak. I guess I see nature, not plants and tress but just existence itself, as god. I'm one of those cornballs. I've always been very interested in theology and christianity in particular, so there's no way I can define myself as a true athiest, and I think agnostic is a worthless term for "i dont know".

Most athiests who push their beliefs on people are 1. very pretentious 2. not as intuitive as they think and 3. people who misinterpret the living fuck out of the bible, usually on purpose just to try and make a point.

Christianity is probabl my favorite religion. Many of its teachings are based in archaic reasoning, such as the talk about how to interact with the slave market adn how to traet a slave, but the underlying teachings of the bible are very profound, and though the stories are not true stories 99.9% of the time, the stories are still true. You know what I mean?

Athiests tend not to know dick about the religion they talk shit about aside from the absolute bare minimum they learned as a child and whatever bullshit they came across online. Hostile athiests are self-centered, ignorant, and usually completely uneducated in theology of any kind, and are unwilling to view Christianity beyond the surface level. I really wish I could actually try and explain to them what the bible is trying to say and the seed its trying to plant in our minds, but its infinitely complex, but people don't like to see that, and would rather think that chirstianity teaches that god is a bearded guy in the sky watching everyone and controlling everything, when that is not even close, and they know it isn't lol, they just wanna make it seem dumb. Christianity has one of the most complex and detailed, yet vague perspective of god. If people would take the time to actually read  up on Christianity, they would realize how much they misinterpreted it due to only knowing very basic fundamentals of it and only thinking about it on the  surface level.

And I just managed to, again, write pretentiously about someone being pretentious lol

This thread obviously was pretty tongue in cheek, but I genuinely would rather talk to someone balls deep in TRUE christianity, whether it be catholic, protestant, orthodox, whatever, then someone balls deep in trying to disprove peoples religions while also having no proof that there is nothing more than the physical world.

If those people actually knew what Christianity was, they wouldn't be so hostile. Do not judge a religion by the people who practice it. Chritianity has been raped  over the years, stretched thin and simplified for the masses. Do not listen to the Christians who know nothing about Christianity aside from heaven, hell, and jesus. They're pathetic morons looking for the easy way out of mortality. Judge Christianity on its own. Read its teaching. Truly think about them. A lot. And come back and tell me its just something to make people comfortable with death. It is so much more than that.


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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #25079513 - 03/21/18 08:26 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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flugelizor said:
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XUL said:
Where do atheists get their morals?

How do they find common ground on morals?




we are people with a conscience just like you.








>morals actually makes logical sense in terms of comfort, pleasure, and survival
Who decides what age is too young to consent for sex?

>We are still on the same planet, seeing the same shit.
Which is why having a similar outlook makes things less complicated. The guy down the street might like having sex with 15 year olds, but that doesn't mean the rest of the neighborhood does.

>to make life better for ourselves, and our children?"
Well, if we follow Muhammad, then I suppose it's okay. If you are from America, pedophilia is ostracized. Interestingly, our country has many remnants of the Christian God throughout its history, which probably means American Christians do not approve of young children having sex.

And America is one of the greatest countries in history.

You still didn't answer my question.

When a person becomes an atheist, must they conceive their morals through trial and error? Are they handed morals from somebody? Who decides the issues like pedophilia?

Quote:

If it's the latter, I have a special loophole for you.
Christians can do anything they want, as long as they tell god they are sorry.
You don't find that kind of moral gray area in the secular world.




I don't see it like that. I see it from the perspective that God is in one's heart and that hiding Machiavellian sin is pointless. That is, a belief that God knows your true intent -- even if you are hiding it.

>When you do something wrong, do you feel bad for the person you harmed, or bad because you won't get your heaven?

I don't think about heaven when I encounter that situation.


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    #25079530 - 03/21/18 08:40 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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>morals actually makes logical sense in terms of comfort, pleasure, and survival
Who decides what age is too young to consent for sex?




- WE do.

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>We are still on the same planet, seeing the same shit.
Which is why having a similar outlook makes things less complicated. The guy down the street might like having sex with 15 year olds, but that doesn't mean the rest of the neighborhood does.




- Personally, I want to protect children because I have had glimpses of how hard life can be. I don't need to masturbate my "intelect" with concepts such as god as the reason for doing so. A hardcore atheist would probably quote a bunch of Bible verses advocating some fucked up shit. But like I said, I'm for human prosperity and pleasure, I'm not anything other than what I am for now. In my opinion those responsible should be held accountable. People think and decide for themselves, people rarely give a fuck what "god" would think. And do what they want...

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When a person becomes an atheist, must they conceive their morals through trial and error? Are they handed morals from somebody? Who decides the issues like pedophilia?




Are you trolling?

Like I said, I give up. I won't ever have the answers you seek, for you are convinced in your own ways. :peace:

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    #25079535 - 03/21/18 08:43 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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Like I said, I give up. I won't ever have the answers you seek, for you are convinced in your own ways. :peace:



Good call FP.


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    #25079542 - 03/21/18 08:45 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

You said that atheist decide through trial and error.

I have been asking you the same question for three posts.

>Are you trolling?

No, but I am not going to convince you otherwise. Right?

Quote:

- WE do.




"One nation, under God."

That is what America decided. Our morals clearly, at least at one point, were inspired and do stem from Christianity. That is just a fact. 



At this point I am guessing that debating makes you frustrated. I am just going to let you go on the question I have been asking.


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    #25079544 - 03/21/18 08:46 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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who decides the age of consent for sex?



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When a person becomes an atheist, must they conceive their morals through trial and error? Are they handed morals from somebody? Who decides the issues like pedophilia?







Why is it that whoever wrote the bible gets to decide these things?


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    #25079548 - 03/21/18 08:48 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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Why is it that whoever wrote the bible gets to decide these things?




Because early settlers were Christians and our country is built with many remnants of faith.


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    #25079550 - 03/21/18 08:49 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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You said that atheist decide through trial and error.

I have been asking you the same question for three posts.

>Are you trolling?

No, but I am not going to convince you otherwise. Right?

Quote:

- WE do.




"One nation, under God."

That is what America decided. Our morals clearly, at least at one point, were inspired and do stem from Christianity. That is just a fact. 



At this point I am guessing that debating makes you frustrated. I am just going to let you go on the question I have been asking.




No, I'm just once again disappointed in the demonization of myself because I don't "believe". It feels like you are telling me I have no conscience and no reason.

Christians also went through trial and error, jeez, every living person does!

I reckon people who were molested probably grew up and decided that it's not as cool as the priests make it out to be.

You are trying to "save" people from your OWN "wrath".

"Be a christian or I won't accept you."

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    #25079554 - 03/21/18 08:52 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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Why is it that whoever wrote the bible gets to decide these things?




Because early settlers were Christians and our country is built with many remnants of faith.



that doesn't answer my question. Why does that person have the authority to dictate morals, but we don't


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It feels like you are telling me I have no conscience and no reason.




I understand that you can feel that way, but it may be your conscious. I also bet that you have your proclivities about why Christianity does not work. Should I feel bad and call you a troll because I don't like what you say about heaven? No way.

The question is, have I told you that atheism is stupid? No.

Have I asked you questions and tried to test your point in order to better my understanding? Yes.


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    #25079557 - 03/21/18 08:53 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Let's hold hands and run through the field of flowers.

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It feels like you are telling me I have no conscience and no reason.




I understand that you can feel that way, but it may be your conscious. I also bet that you have your proclivities about why Christianity does not work. Should I feel bad and call you a troll because I don't like what you say about heaven? No way.

The question is, have I told you that atheism is stupid? No.

Have I asked you questions and tried to test your point in order to better my understanding? Yes.




I understand why you don't molest children. It's probably much like my own. I truly hope it's not out of fear of Hell alone.

But you're asking questions to which you already have the answer to. There's no room for me in there.

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    #25079567 - 03/21/18 09:00 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Moral relativism.

I hope Enlil doesn't see this..


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    #25079571 - 03/21/18 09:02 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

If your belief system has a name, you're in trouble.
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    #25079588 - 03/21/18 09:12 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Athiesm is a name.


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    #25079589 - 03/21/18 09:13 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Exactly my point.


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    #25079593 - 03/21/18 09:17 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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Who decides what age is too young to consent for sex?



Are you implying that the bible or any other religious text set that precedent?

If so that is truly laughable and you are beyond help. FLDS has been using
religious scripture and right to religion to marry and rape children for decades. Not to mention the catholic church :facepalm:


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    #25079595 - 03/21/18 09:18 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

When I was an "atheist" and looked up bunch of debates and stuff, what I was fighting in my mind was "Injustice". Then I turned to humanism, because I started wanting to believe in only good people.

Then I became nothing, and decided to live for a life of play, peace and pleasure.

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    #25079602 - 03/21/18 09:22 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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    #25079604 - 03/21/18 09:23 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Human.


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    #25079606 - 03/21/18 09:24 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

A human whose view is called apathiesm


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    #25079611 - 03/21/18 09:26 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

All humans has views.


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    #25079620 - 03/21/18 09:32 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

I want to give my mind to the wind and dance in the infinite. :awepreciation:

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    #25079625 - 03/21/18 09:34 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Wait, since when did mortality come from religon? I was taught my morals from my upbringing from two parents of no particular faith, although both raised from different branches or Christianity both rejected it as adults, as I did growing up .


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    #25079633 - 03/21/18 09:42 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Like I said, heaven has nothing to with how I make decisions. 

Those are your erroneous proclivities about "all" Christians.

It now seems like I am on the defense.

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    #25079639 - 03/21/18 09:45 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

I would say Christianity was a bigger influence on me personally. I’ve known a few atheists and other than a couple of short discussions I never felt anyone was pushing their views down my throat.

I think a person’s beliefs are their beliefs and as long as they don’t tread on me I’m fine with it. I just have so many questions. I hope we have a consciousness or a soul or something that carries on? I don’t think even if we do you won’t remember this body, or remember what I had for breakfast this morning..

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    #25079643 - 03/21/18 09:47 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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Are way worse than Christians who do.

Discuss aggressively.




No. They should go even further and should be listened to. They're right and it's extremely easy to understand why.

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    #25079648 - 03/21/18 09:47 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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athiests dont kill people because there a non believer or touch little kids, or become corrupt ect



the bible doesnt tell you to kill non beleivers. some religious texts like the quran do but you cant generalize like that. christians in the past have forced people to convert but those self proclaimed christians were not following the bible.

check out some communist history if you get the chance. especially about the soviet union amd communist china. horrible things have been done in the name of atheism.

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At least atheists are telling you the truth rather than trying to sell you on a make believe fantasy world based around a giant man in the sky who watches everything you do. Atheists are trying to get you to see the reality of the world you live in, whereas Christians and all other religions are trying to get you to live in ignorance.

If you're upset by the truth maybe that's a problem on your end.



im a christian and i dont beleive in a man in the sky. i think the idea of god is very important. i think represents the future. there is an old fable about catching monkies that illustrates my point well.

you just get a jug that the monkey can barely fit its hand in and weigh it down with rocks then bait it with candy. the monkey will grab the candy but it wont be able to get its hand out. then you just walk over and pick up the monkey because an animal wont sacrifice what it currently has to improve the future. religion is what happened when people realized that the future exists and that we can bargain with the future by forgoing something in the present. we didnt imediately understand rhe concept of sacrifice. we had to kill lambs and burn grain and develope that over generations to get to our current understanding. if you aim at the right thing and make the right sacrifices you can progress amd have a meaningful life. if you do something that you know is bad then you are in trouble.

the bible is acctually packed completely full of extremely meaningful, important stories that make up the foundation of western culture. even the stories that everyone likes to make fun of like the creation story, adam and eve, noah and the flood, ect. are packed full of meaning. if you just interperet the bible like a biblical literalist then you will miss the meaning but i think the bible shows our developement from animals to people. we go from adam and eve who arent really developed as characters, to caine and abel who have more personality to noah, to abraham which is the first acctual story with an identifiable person in an identifiable place who is part of an identifiable group.

if you take a monkey and follow its genetic line for a few generations the offspring will be identicle to the first one almost.  but humans develope in their own unique ways and set themselves apart. this progression culminated with christ who made the ultimate sacrifice.

i could go on and on about the psychological significance of the biblical stories. the bible really is brilliant.

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Morals stem from being in touch with your feelings.



what if i feel like killing stealing or raping?

people cant create their own values or they degenerate. human natureis grim. it took 10s of thousands of years to get to where we are now.

i remember you talking about how marriage is pointless and thats just proof that you cant decide your own values. regardless of how you feel about marriage, whether or not your parents are married is a very good indicator of whether or not you will commit suicide, drop out of highschool, become a teen mother or be imcarcerated. and one of the worst things you can do if you dont want to be poor is have babies out of wedlock. and women with more than ome sexual partner are more likely to get a divorce. regardless of how you feel thats the reality.

you cant say that you can create your values yourself because for example, the idea of loving your enemy is exclusively christian. now you may not think thats a good value and you may not share it, my poimt is that not everything is automatic to people. sure maybe dont kill is pretty universal. you dont need the bible to tell you that, fair enough but humans are not moral automatically.

my entire family and every single one of my friends, even the ones i am close enough to talk about religion with are atheists. i was raised by atheists and ive been an atheist. i dont even talk about religion with my family so i dont even think they know im christian amd my friends never feel like im shoving it down their throat. they just listen and have a discussion with me. im not trying to shove my ideas down anyones throat. its just that i wanted to defend the bible because i think its brilliant and its the foundation of the western world and it sucks to see people interpret it like biblical literalists. weather those people are creationist christians or hardcore atheists. sorry i just feel like as soon as i defend my beleifs i get accused of thinking im better than everyone else and trying to shove my beleifs down peoples throats so i just want to cover my bases.

atheists in the soviet union and moas china caused extreme amount of death and suffering in the name of atheism. hitler also hated christianty and christians were killed in nazi germany for refusing to support the nazis.

you can live a moral life if you are an atheist because judeo-chrustian values are the foundation of our society. but i dont think you could live a moral life if you were raised out in the woods away from western society. if you dont think western morality comes from christianity then why is western morality distinct from other cultures? if its just self evident and you "dont need a book to tell you" then why arent all cultures the same? i think the process of developing good morals took a long, long, long time. i dont think living a moral life s automatic at all. like they say, "every vice was once a virtue"

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Like I said, heaven has nothing to with how I make decisions. 

Those are your erroneous proclivities about "all" Christians.

It now seems like I am on the defense.

On guard!




That's great. But see, that's where we're both sort of at a loss. Because, I just "know" too, na meen? I've experienced unconditional love. And that shit's like a drug. Or was a drug...Like mdma or lsd...

Anyway, I like to keep my mind open, and feel that whatever is happening ultimately makes sense in love. We can call it what we want, but to label it, however "edgy" I might appear now, "god" doesn't matter. In my opinion.

A few years ago I came to the conclusion that if god was a really really cool guy, he'd be just that. And he'll also allow me to not have to believe in him.

But I'm not here to convince anyone of anything. I just look around and try to have a grand ol' time.

I hope we can be friends till death do us part, for I shall try to not be a burden, but a cool summer breeze... Such is the nature of my pride!

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    #25079674 - 03/21/18 09:57 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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what if i feel like killing stealing or raping?



Then you'd be pathalogical and therefore cut off from your feelings. Perhaps I should have changed the word 'feelings' to 'emotions'.


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    #25079687 - 03/21/18 10:07 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

For whoever it may interest.>

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/player/bbc_radio_fourfm

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    #25079714 - 03/21/18 10:20 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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Are way worse than Christians who do.

Discuss aggressively.




No. They should go even further and should be listened to. They're right and it's extremely easy to understand why.

Become an atheist, for your own inteligence.



You're exactly the type of person I'm talking about lol.

btw I am pretty much an atheist, I already said that


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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: Near Dylan] * 1
    #25079744 - 03/21/18 10:38 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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This thread obviously was pretty tongue in cheek, but I genuinely would rather talk to someone balls deep in TRUE christianity, whether it be catholic, protestant, orthodox, whatever, then someone balls deep in trying to disprove peoples religions while also having no proof that there is nothing more than the physical world.




Have you heard of Matt Dillahunty? He's part of the atheist community of Austin TX, he grew up "balls deep" in "true" christianity, and was actually studying theology to become a preacher for some 20-odd years.

While studying and trying to find responses to difficult questions in christianity, he eventually realized that there was no logical reason to believe in christianity. I'm not really sure how you could ask for someone more balls deep in both worlds than that.

Consequently, Matt has a talk show now called The Athiest Experience, it's streamed live online and recorded for Youtube.

My point being, if you really want to talk to someone who knows what they're talking about when it comes to christianity, and is currently an Atheist, give the show a call. They stream live on Sundays.

http://atheist-experience.com/faq/


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    #25079756 - 03/21/18 10:44 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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Yes christianity offers some comfort. Particularly in death.
But IMHO sometimes it's OK to be uncomfortable.

For instance if your intuition tells you there is no such thing as;
-virgin birth
-walking on water
-all animals fitting on an ancient boat
-An all loving all powerful god who sends you to burn in eternity, but forgives you if you are enough of a sheep to ignore your intuition and follow the crowd.




OP, I see what you mean.
I bet that was pretty annoying to someone who doesn't agree.
I think you will find most atheists only say these things when provoked.

If there is nobody telling me he parted the red sea, I don't have to tell him he is "stretching the truth"



there is no burning for eternity mentioned in the bible. the mentions of hell in the bible can be interpreted as meaning the grave.

the ark represents the ordered structures we create around ourselves and our families to keep separate from the chaos. (chaos is often represented by water) society is an ark that has been handed down to us. if society were to fail in Canada and we had no more coats and heat and stuff then a bunch of people would die in the winter because we need the protection of the structure thats been handed down to us. that is a physical ark but there are also mental arks which we construct to keep our minds in order. its like the garden of Eden. the word paradise comes from the Persian word paridayda which means a walled garden. a walled garden is the perfect balance between order and chaos. its still filled with nature which is harsh and chaotic but the nature has been tamed. the walled garden protects you from chaos. if you are feeling good about life and everything is in place then you are in order. then something can happen and throw you out of order and into chaos. order and chaos are like actual places that we inhabit. that story is not supposed to be an accurate representation of history. its just such a deeply meaningful story that over possibly 10s of thousands of years, long before the bible was written, that was one of the stories that stuck with people and became an oral tradition. its an archetypal story.

actually a woman in south america without a vaginal opening gave birth through c section so technically virgin birth is possible. just thought that was interesting and worth sharing.

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Are way worse than Christians who do.

Discuss aggressively.




No. They should go even further and should be listened to. They're right and it's extremely easy to understand why.

Become an atheist, for your own inteligence.



You're exactly the type of person I'm talking about lol.

btw I am pretty much an atheist, I already said that




It is your duty to kidnap religious people and deprogram the brainwash they've been exposed to as kids. For the sake and future of humanity, these disease called religion must be cured


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    #25079764 - 03/21/18 10:48 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

*Pat said: It is your duty to kidnap religious people and deprogram the brainwash they've been exposed to as kids. For the sake and future of humanity, these disease called religion must be cured

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    #25079767 - 03/21/18 10:49 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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actually a woman in south america without a vaginal opening gave birth through c section so technically virgin birth is possible. just thought that was interesting and worth sharing.



Mayer Rokitansky Küster Hauser syndrome?

I can't imagine they were doing uterus transplants back when this 'virgin birth' supposedly occurred..


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actually a woman in south america without a vaginal opening gave birth through c section so technically virgin birth is possible. just thought that was interesting and worth sharing.



Mayer Rokitansky Küster Hauser syndrome?

I can't imagine they were doing uterus transplants back when this 'virgin birth' supposedly occurred..



im not trying to say that mary really did give birth as a virgin. im just saying it is possible and thought it was interesting.

and no it wasnt a uterus transplant. she swallowed semen and was stabbed in the stomach. then 9 months later she went to the hospital in labor and the doctors were shocked when they saw that she had no vaginal opening and they checked her records and she was in the hspital for a stab wound 9 months earlier.

in nature as long as you pass your genes on then your genes survive so it would make sense it sperm evolved to be effective in other situations.

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    #25079790 - 03/21/18 10:59 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Indeed. We have been navel gazing since the dawn of man, and we came up with, each in our time and want, the means of conveying our understanding to the next generation, and murdered one another to cast it in stone.



"Why, why can we never be sure till we die
Or have killed for an answer,
Why, why do we suffer each race to believe
That no race has been grander
It seems because through time and space
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    #25079802 - 03/21/18 11:06 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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I am the reincarnation of Plipi The Dildo Dodo, listen to my words! For I shall lead thee to the promisesd ear-canal of the mighty Swan, filled with vast vistas of gum drop trees and jelly rivers. Deny my word, and thy shall be excommunicated to burn in eternal silence upon thy mouth!





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    #25079807 - 03/21/18 11:06 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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she swallowed semen and was stabbed in the stomach. then 9 months later she went to the hospital in labor and the doctors were shocked when they saw that she had no vaginal opening and they checked her records and she was in the hspital for a stab wound 9 months earlier.



Fuck, that is one hell of a freak occurrence:

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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: Near Dylan]
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Near Dylan said:
Are way worse than Christians who do.

Discuss aggressively.




No. They should go even further and should be listened to. They're right and it's extremely easy to understand why.

Become an atheist, for your own inteligence.



You're exactly the type of person I'm talking about lol.

btw I am pretty much an atheist, I already said that




Which u are a passive atheist, the most humble of all atheist. An important quality and a glipse into the true nature of the Divine Creational Energy otherwise known as DCE.

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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: deucedbi9]
    #25079851 - 03/21/18 11:31 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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Indeed. We have been navel gazing since the dawn of man, and we came up with, each in our time and want, the means of conveying our understanding to the next generation, and murdered one another to cast it in stone.



"Why, why can we never be sure till we die
Or have killed for an answer,
Why, why do we suffer each race to believe
That no race has been grander
It seems because through time and space
Though names may change each face retains the mask it wore."



we need it to be set in stone so to speak to maintain the structure. like how a democracy needs conservatives and liberals. conservatives conserve the structure and liberals update it when nessecary. but conservatives by themselves tend toward absolute order. liberals tend toward absolute chaos. religion needs a ridgid structure but it also needs a mystical, revelatory aspect.

its like the psychedelic experience. you need an intact ego. but once in a while it can be beneficial to deconstruct that ego and rebuild it fron the ground up. like a phoenix. in order to be reborn it needs to burst into flames.

lots of people, especially on here, seem to think the ego is bad and needs to be chemically disabled in order to "heal" you of your natural disease. acctually a sense of self isnt a disease its extremely important. the reason its good to destroy your ego is so you can build a new one not so you can live without one. terrence mckenna seemed to think of the ego as something that we need to live wwithout. i disagree.

if religion didnt have a ridgid structure it would be in a constant flux.

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It is your duty to kidnap religious people and deprogram the brainwash they've been exposed to as kids. For the sake and future of humanity, these disease called religion must be cured



What the fuck are you talking about, man


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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: Near Dylan] * 1
    #25079889 - 03/21/18 11:49 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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It is your duty to kidnap religious people and deprogram the brainwash they've been exposed to as kids. For the sake and future of humanity, these disease called religion must be cured



What the fuck are you talking about, man




Has anyone else not seen the sarcasm?

If so, I have to officially announce that I was sarcastic.

Do not actually kidnap people. It is illegal in most countries. You will be imprisoned should you be caught.

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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: Near Dylan]
    #25079891 - 03/21/18 11:49 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

If Atheist had a cult, thats likely what would happen....

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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: Patlal]
    #25079905 - 03/21/18 11:56 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Shitheads is shitheads, whatever their beliefs.

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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #25079911 - 03/21/18 11:59 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

What about the holy bloodline? What if Jesus had a wife and kids and the Catholic Church is trying to hide it? Just sayin


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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: Near Dylan]
    #25079968 - 03/21/18 12:31 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)


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Are way worse than Christians who do.

Discuss aggressively.




No. They should go even further and should be listened to. They're right and it's extremely easy to understand why.

Become an atheist, for your own inteligence.



You're exactly the type of person I'm talking about lol.

btw I am pretty much an atheist, I already said that




It is your duty to kidnap religious people and deprogram the brainwash they've been exposed to as kids. For the sake and future of humanity, these disease called religion must be cured




Fuck yeah. This is spot on Patlal! I would go even further and say that it doesn't stop with religion. The enlightened have an obligation to fight ignorance.

How is it possible to know anything though? How can one be so arrogant as to claim enlightenment? Simple. Have you ever experienced anything like this?

Til that moment in my life I always thought this is me and that's somebody else and something else. But for the first time I did not know which is me and which is not me. Suddenly, what was me was just all over the place. The very rock on which I was sitting, the air that I breathe, the very atmosphere around me, I had just exploded into everything. That sounds like utter insanity. This, I thought it lasted for ten to fifteen minutes but when I came back to my normal consciousness, it was about four-and-a-half-hours I was sitting there, fully conscious, eyes open, but time had just flipped.- Sadhguru

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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #25079980 - 03/21/18 12:37 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

And the ego and self are different Banana. Knowing that you are a human, part of everything and no better than a tree, is much different than believing you are sent by God to save humanity and rock and roll. The latter is the selfish ego Terrence McKenna is referring to.


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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: GodlessPleb]
    #25080007 - 03/21/18 12:48 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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And the ego and self are different Banana. Knowing that you are a human, part of everything and no better than a tree, is much different than believing you are sent by God to save humanity and rock and roll. The latter is the selfish ego Terrence McKenna is referring to.



i think you are getting hung up on terminology.

im saying its good to have a structured axiom or group of axioms that you approach the world from. but in order to update it you need to destroy it and rebuild it.


regardless of the words terence mckenna used. self, ego, whatever. he said culture is bad and seemed to promote that coming at the world from any specific view point is wrong and that you shouldnt have any preconcived notions.

culture is the result of the ridgid structure that im talking about over time. he, and many, many other people thought that having any structured viewpoint or beleif sysyem is bad.

im saying the point of destroying your ego is to rebuild it, not to get rid of it.

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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: Burke Dennings]
    #25080069 - 03/21/18 01:20 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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I find both groups at least somewhat annoying in some ways.  Hardcore Christians tend to believe they have a moral high ground, and most of them are extremely hypocritical.  Vocal atheists believe themselves to be intellectually superior and are hella smug.  Of course neither group is 100% like this, so when I meet a shitty person in either camp, I think “wow, that person is a real asshole” and try not to think of the whole collective like that.




I try not to judge individuals based on stereotypes of collectives with which they may be affiliated. However, I do notice patterns of indoctrination in both atheists and the religious.

I think a person's spiritual beliefs or lack thereof should be deeply personal, and arrived at independently. If someone was brainwashed by the Bible or brainwashed by Dawkins, the result is the same: you have someone desperate to belong or feel smart, someone exploits their insecurities, and then they become pretentious.

As for which side is more oppressed, I think both sides have a strong case depending on which society we are applying that to. A Christian in a major metro is going to feel beset on all sides by amorality which, turned into a big business, trumps him. An atheist in a small town is going to feel witch-hunted.

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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: DoctorJ]
    #25080082 - 03/21/18 01:29 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Saying that atheists are annoying in 2018 is the social equivalent of talking shit about Guy Fieri.


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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 2
    #25080141 - 03/21/18 02:02 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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If Atheist had a cult, thats likely what would happen....




We have at least two of them that I am aware of.
Cults? Maybe not, but worth mentioning:

- The Church of Satan
- Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster

Although I don't think you will get a pastafarian to admit to being atheist
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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: flugelizor] * 2
    #25080151 - 03/21/18 02:08 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Why do we have a church of the flying spaghetti monster?
Some athiests take great joy in ridiculing someone's personal beliefs.

Why don't we hear more about pastafarianism?
Probably because most of us realize it's unkind to ridicule someone's personal beliefs.

Just like any other group, some are kind, some don't give a fuck.

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    #25080160 - 03/21/18 02:12 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Most of them do it because they felt betrayed by their spiritual upbringing and are such empty shells that they feel their only purpose in life is to tell people there's nothing!! :gameover:


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    #25080164 - 03/21/18 02:14 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #25080231 - 03/21/18 02:48 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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What scares me is people with the "authority of god" behind them. Then you can reason yourself to do ANYTHING. You can justify all your actions as being "good", everything you dislike as "evil".



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try not to think of the whole collective like that.



Hellagree. That's the only mature way of looking at this thing; to see us all as unique individuals rather than judging someone for the camp in which they reside. Who knows the reasons they're there, after all?






Those people dont believe in God and are just scammers aka atheists that think theyre so smart. Its up to you to not be a sap.

Noahs ark(its all test), big bearded man in the sky ect. The same things repeated. Do you think those people could handle the details? In recent history people murdered cause of witch hunts.(again denominations not the true word)
You people now couldnt handle it, thats why Jesus spoke in parables, get the ol mouse wheel turning so you people wouldnt need to be spoon fed and dont get caught up in cults.

And for the people that cry going why doesnt He show Himself why doesnt He give us a sign?! Why would He? You bunch of snobbering ingrates none of you deserve it no body does.
Why doesnt He help the starving people in Africa?? Well if u actually ever read the bible and not going off what you hear other people say you'd know we have dominion over the earth, its our mess its our responsibility to fix.

I swear all the atheist posts sound like Brian Griffin wrote them.

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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: twighead] * 1
    #25080236 - 03/21/18 02:50 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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Most of them do it because they felt betrayed by their spiritual upbringing and are such empty shells that they feel their only purpose in life is to tell people there's nothing!! :gameover:




I don't feel betrayed by my spiritual upbringing.  I was raised in a catholic family and once I started thinking for myself I realized everything they were telling me was a bs fantasy.  Prior to that the religion had been shoved down my throat (here's looking at you OP and your title of this thread) at such an early age that I didnt know any better and just accepted it.  I was able to "un-indoctrinate" once I started thinking for myself. 

It should be a fucking crime to introduce children to religion.  Imagine if that was the case and you were told about (fill in name of religion here) for the first time at 18.  Do you really expect me to believe you if you tell me you would still believe in this nonsense? 

And face it religious peeps:  You're ALMOST an atheist.  You just believe in one more god than than us.


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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: BANANA.MAN] * 1
    #25080238 - 03/21/18 02:52 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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she swallowed semen and was stabbed in the stomach. then 9 months later she went to the hospital in labor and the doctors were shocked when they saw that she had no vaginal opening and they checked her records and she was in the hspital for a stab wound 9 months earlier.



That's nuts.

I refuse to believe it.

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What scares me is people with the "authority of god" behind them. Then you can reason yourself to do ANYTHING. You can justify all your actions as being "good", everything you dislike as "evil".



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try not to think of the whole collective like that.



Hellagree. That's the only mature way of looking at this thing; to see us all as unique individuals rather than judging someone for the camp in which they reside. Who knows the reasons they're there, after all?






Those people dont believe in God and are just scammers aka atheists that think theyre so smart. Its up to you to not be a sap.

Noahs ark(its all test), big bearded man in the sky ect. The same things repeated. Do you think those people could handle the details? In recent history people murdered cause of witch hunts.(again denominations not the true word)
You people now couldnt handle it, thats why Jesus spoke in parables, get the ol mouse wheel turning so you people wouldnt need to be spoon fed and dont get caught up in cults.

And for the people that cry going why doesnt He show Himself why doesnt He give us a sign?! Why would He? You bunch of snobbering ingrates none of you deserve it no body does.
Why doesnt He help the starving people in Africa?? Well if u actually ever read the bible and not going off what you hear other people say you'd know we have dominion over the earth, its our mess its our responsibility to fix.

I swear all the atheist posts sound like Brian Griffin wrote them.

Eat your shrooms people





Woah woah woah,

I want to help people in Africa. I want the people everywhere to succeed in whatever good things they conjure, because this will positively influence me.

DAMN INGRATE I AM!

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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: flugelizor]
    #25080250 - 03/21/18 02:55 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Pastafarians? :lol:

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    #25080258 - 03/21/18 02:59 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Everybody thinks their soooo cool. And this guy thinks he's soooo fly. I know what everybody thinks. Look at me. I'm omnipotent.


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    #25080462 - 03/21/18 04:50 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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    #25080983 - 03/21/18 08:50 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Doesn't it though? Isn't it this attempt to hark back, and enforce, a "rigid structure" to an evolving society, in part, responsible for the horror that we see in Syria today. Our species have seen and lived through this so many times, and in so many places, based on the varying dogmas of the day. It seems that some Christians forget, that at one time they were the oppressed, and, that when the yoke of tyranny was lifted from them, they became the oppressors.

This casting in stone of sensibilities based on the ignorance of a bygone age, to fundamentalism, is what we have evolved into as our fallback position. When in doubt retreat to an age, when, looking through rose tinted spectacles, we remember as being, somehow, better.

Our societies are evolving, into what, who knows. Personally, I don't see any reason to suppose that this 'experiment' in intelligence, that our species represents, is likely to last as long, as say, the dinosaurs.

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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: DustyBottoms]
    #25081326 - 03/22/18 12:50 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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Most of them do it because they felt betrayed by their spiritual upbringing and are such empty shells that they feel their only purpose in life is to tell people there's nothing!! :gameover:




I don't feel betrayed by my spiritual upbringing.  I was raised in a catholic family and once I started thinking for myself I realized everything they were telling me was a bs fantasy.  Prior to that the religion had been shoved down my throat (here's looking at you OP and your title of this thread) at such an early age that I didnt know any better and just accepted it.  I was able to "un-indoctrinate" once I started thinking for myself. 

It should be a fucking crime to introduce children to religion.  Imagine if that was the case and you were told about (fill in name of religion here) for the first time at 18.  Do you really expect me to believe you if you tell me you would still believe in this nonsense? 

And face it religious peeps:  You're ALMOST an atheist.  You just believe in one more god than than us.



That basically just verified exactly what I said, you were betrayed by your spiritual upbringing - because Catholicism is 98% bullshit :lol:

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    #25081334 - 03/22/18 01:04 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Shouldn't thread title be:

Athiests who shove their NON-beliefs down people's throats


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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: mndfreeze]
    #25081352 - 03/22/18 01:19 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

We should start a deadly aggeessive agnostic group. We will slay in the name of "we know not what is is, but if it is you will die and/or burn in Hell!"


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I am 100% perhaps on board with this.


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    #25081502 - 03/22/18 04:10 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

They believe in no God,, which is unprovable just like proving a God. Therefore its a belief imo.

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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
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The flying Spahgetti monster will curse you with small meatballs and a limp noodle sir.


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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: twighead]
    #25081559 - 03/22/18 05:00 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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Most of them do it because they felt betrayed by their spiritual upbringing and are such empty shells that they feel their only purpose in life is to tell people there's nothing!! :gameover:




Yeah, you can tell the ones who were hit on the hand with a ruler too much by Sister Mary Margaret.

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    #25081576 - 03/22/18 05:18 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

:lol: Never knew the italian monster was such a pervert!

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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: mndfreeze]
    #25081596 - 03/22/18 05:32 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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Shouldn't thread title be:

Athiests who shove their NON-beliefs down people's throats



I  always thought this was a retarded point. The options aren't "either believe in god or you have beliefs at all". Believing we are here without purpose and without direction after we die is a belief. Just cuz it doesn't pertain to any gods doesn't mean it is a "non-belief"


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    #25081603 - 03/22/18 05:46 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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Most of them do it because they felt betrayed by their spiritual upbringing and are such empty shells that they feel their only purpose in life is to tell people there's nothing!! :gameover:




I don't feel betrayed by my spiritual upbringing.  I was raised in a catholic family and once I started thinking for myself I realized everything they were telling me was a bs fantasy.  Prior to that the religion had been shoved down my throat (here's looking at you OP and your title of this thread) at such an early age that I didnt know any better and just accepted it.  I was able to "un-indoctrinate" once I started thinking for myself. 

It should be a fucking crime to introduce children to religion.  Imagine if that was the case and you were told about (fill in name of religion here) for the first time at 18.  Do you really expect me to believe you if you tell me you would still believe in this nonsense? 

And face it religious peeps:  You're ALMOST an atheist.  You just believe in one more god than than us.



That basically just verified exactly what I said, you were betrayed by your spiritual upbringing - because Catholicism is 98% bullshit :lol:

There are a million shades of this - some are very healthy to the heart.. some not so much




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    #25081610 - 03/22/18 05:50 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Do you know the definition of that word? Because everything you're saying defines it :lol:


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    #25081623 - 03/22/18 05:59 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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1- It should be a fucking crime to introduce children to religion. 
2- Imagine if that was the case and you were told about (fill in name of religion here) for the first time at 18.  Do you really expect me to believe you if you tell me you would still believe in this nonsense? 

3- And face it religious peeps:  You're ALMOST an atheist.  You just believe in one more god than than us.



1- No. No it should not. Who is to say what is teaching a kid about theology and what is "brainwashing"? Should we not teach our kids about religion at all? Never let them in on theories of the metaphysical until they're adults?

2- Sure, a lot of people would still believe it, just in a different way. If more people were told it at 18 rather than 8, chirstianity would be a much more respectable religion as a whole. Would be filled with less half-assed, lazy people who just accepted the reality they were handed as a kid and didn't look into their own beiefs furthur than what their parents told them in vague, unresearched detail while they were small children. A religion having 10 people who truly know about it, thought about it, researched it, and decided it was what they believe is much better than a religion having 100 people where 98 of them don't know the first fucking thing about the symbol they have hanging from their neck. Parents should teach their kids more about christianity if their going to at all, so if the kid is gonna take it to adulthood, he at least won't do it blindly.

3- This is retarded.


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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: Near Dylan]
    #25081651 - 03/22/18 06:23 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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Shouldn't thread title be:

Athiests who shove their NON-beliefs down people's throats



I  always thought this was a retarded point. The options aren't "either believe in god or you have beliefs at all". Believing we are here without purpose and without direction after we die is a belief. Just cuz it doesn't pertain to any gods doesn't mean it is a "non-belief"






a·the·ism
ˈāTHēˌizəm/Submit
noun
disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.
synonyms: nonbelief, disbelief, unbelief, irreligion, skepticism, doubt, agnosticism; nihilism
"atheism was not freely discussed in his community"



Anyway, I was being silly, not actually trying to argue over the semantics of the word "belief and its general use vs specific use in the context of 'god' in this threads case.


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    #25081682 - 03/22/18 06:45 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

The definition is sound, the synonyms are not. Athiesm is not a synonym of non-belief any more than it is a synonym of agnosticism. If one defines "belief" as following a religion, sure, but that's not what the word means :lol: what source is that from


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    #25081687 - 03/22/18 06:47 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

just google:  define athiesm


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    #25081689 - 03/22/18 06:48 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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Most of them do it because they felt betrayed by their spiritual upbringing and are such empty shells that they feel their only purpose in life is to tell people there's nothing!! :gameover:




I don't feel betrayed by my spiritual upbringing.  I was raised in a catholic family and once I started thinking for myself I realized everything they were telling me was a bs fantasy.  Prior to that the religion had been shoved down my throat (here's looking at you OP and your title of this thread) at such an early age that I didnt know any better and just accepted it.  I was able to "un-indoctrinate" once I started thinking for myself. 

It should be a fucking crime to introduce children to religion.  Imagine if that was the case and you were told about (fill in name of religion here) for the first time at 18.  Do you really expect me to believe you if you tell me you would still believe in this nonsense? 

And face it religious peeps:  You're ALMOST an atheist.  You just believe in one more god than than us.



You are blaming religion for the failures of your parent’s religious upbringing. You are playing the blame game and feeling sorry for yourself about it. It should be a crime to introduce kids to religion? What a load of crap man, there are no real truths yet you want me to limit my kids to the ones that are more likely to change? Brainwashing is at heart, selective information. That’s what you’re saying. Brainwash, because Dusty has feelings about it. And how’d those feelings work for you? Seems to me you’ve benefitted in the end. Religion isn’t perfect but neither is anything else. People deserve all information to make their own choices, whether you agree with them or not.

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    #25081693 - 03/22/18 06:50 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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The definition is sound, the synonyms are not. Athiesm is not a synonym of non-belief any more than it is a synonym of agnosticism. If one defines "belief" as following a religion, sure, but that's not what the word means :lol: what source is that from



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just google:  define athiesm



Or don't.

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    #25081730 - 03/22/18 07:20 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

IMO being specific about what you mean by the terms you use is a starting point for a meaningful discussion.

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    #25081738 - 03/22/18 07:24 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

For sure, as a starting point.

This point is very far from the start however. I've seen a thousand conversations go this way before, and it usually means it's the end.


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    #25081757 - 03/22/18 07:37 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

why you gotta shoot down the discussion like that, man. theres no endgame here, theres no structure. we're just talking.


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    #25081761 - 03/22/18 07:39 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

It's not personal.


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    #25081772 - 03/22/18 07:43 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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1- It should be a fucking crime to introduce children to religion. 
2- Imagine if that was the case and you were told about (fill in name of religion here) for the first time at 18.  Do you really expect me to believe you if you tell me you would still believe in this nonsense? 

3- And face it religious peeps:  You're ALMOST an atheist.  You just believe in one more god than than us.



1- No. No it should not. Who is to say what is teaching a kid about theology and what is "brainwashing"? Should we not teach our kids about religion at all? Never let them in on theories of the metaphysical until they're adults?

2- Sure, a lot of people would still believe it, just in a different way. If more people were told it at 18 rather than 8, chirstianity would be a much more respectable religion as a whole. Would be filled with less half-assed, lazy people who just accepted the reality they were handed as a kid and didn't look into their own beiefs furthur than what their parents told them in vague, unresearched detail while they were small children. A religion having 10 people who truly know about it, thought about it, researched it, and decided it was what they believe is much better than a religion having 100 people where 98 of them don't know the first fucking thing about the symbol they have hanging from their neck. Parents should teach their kids more about christianity if their going to at all, so if the kid is gonna take it to adulthood, he at least won't do it blindly.

3- This is retarded.




First thanks for discussing this somewhat intelligently unlike shithead

1.  Parents should teach children how to think not what to think.  Children have a human right to to not have their minds crippled by exposure to other people’s bad ideas.  If, having been fairly and properly exposed to all the scientific data they still feel later in life that the Bible/religion should be taken seriously, then that is their privilege.  Emphasis on “their” and not the parents. 

2.  Pretty far-fetched and hopeful thinking here.  Religion would be gone in no time if you couldn’t introduce it to people until they were adults.  I realize it will never be a crime to “teach” children religion, but I do believe religion will finish the slow death it’s currently going through.  Atheists are growing and growing at a clip faster than we have ever seen before.  We used to worship the sun, stars, moons too and how do we look back on that sort of thinking now? 

3.  Is it?  I was sorta being a smartass on this point but think about it for a second.  Isn’t it retarded to think your religion is the correct one and the others are falsehood?  I mean the idea that there are dozens if not hundreds of religions with their own “creator” and sets of beliefs is pretty retarded in itself.  And if you don’t believe in (fill in name of god here) then you’re going to burn in hell for eternity.  But if you do believe in (fill in name of god here) then you shall be saved.  I pray for you that you picked the right one...


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    #25081799 - 03/22/18 08:05 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

1- Yes, but teaching kids religion is crucial. Ever met a kid who was raised by vehemently atheist? They're usually douchebags with a narrow perspective of the world, just as people who were raised zealously Christian and keep the faith generally have. Forcing your kid into a religion is wrong. Teaching a kid about religion, especially your own, is good. They can decide for themselves. But make sure they truly understand the options.

2- Religion will never go away. Unless we figure out a way to send people to the after-life and back, it's here to stay. Science doesn't disprove religion as much as some people like to think it does. There will always be unanswered questions.  To think that atheism is the advanced way of thought and religion is just outdated is just not true. There is a little bit of truth to that statement, but not much. Religion will become less popular, but will never die.

3- This doesn't have anything to do with what I was responding to originally but I guess I'll respond anyway:lol: It is unrealistic to think that the religion one follows is right and everyone elses is wrong. Just as it is unrealistic for one to think that their belief in a godless universe is right and all religions are wrong. Doesn't mean you're dumb for picking a side


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    #25081812 - 03/22/18 08:16 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

I said “what a load of crap” and sorry you don’t like the word “feels.” I find it challenging that you question my intelligence and resort to name calling while not even responding to the idea that your proposal is just as much brainwashing. Of course, right on cue you change your own tone in-post. Which basically tells me you acknowledge your own prior shit and still chose to ignore me and call me names.

So barring said crap - tell me why strict atheism isn’t anymore brainwashing than strict religious beliefs?

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    #25081888 - 03/22/18 08:54 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

making it a crime to teach religion to kids is giving the government the power to decide what you can and can't teach your own flesh and blood. that's retarded. and the same atheists who want the government to decide what you and your family can think are the same people who want to disarm citizens and give all the power to the government usually too. why do people ant the government to have all this power?

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    #25081896 - 03/22/18 08:59 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

ND and XL:

Yes, atheism is my belief, clearly.  But you shouldn’t assume that I would automatically just slam that down my own kids throat.  As stated above, that’s not really fair as it would be leading them towards my own thoughts prior to them being able to comprehend it or have the wherewithal to discern what is fact and what is fiction.

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    #25081904 - 03/22/18 09:03 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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making it a crime to teach religion to kids is giving the government the power to decide what you can and can't teach your own flesh and blood. that's retarded. and the same atheists who want the government to decide what you and your family can think are the same people who want to disarm citizens and give all the power to the government usually too. why do people ant the government to have all this power?





It will never be illegal.  I was just trying to prove a point so let’s get back on track banana.  Kids can be swayed to believe in nonsense at an early age before theyre able to make educated decisions.  Some of us choose or are able to break free from such silly thoughts once we get a bit older.  That’s all I’m trying to say.


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making it a crime to teach religion to kids is giving the government the power to decide what you can and can't teach your own flesh and blood. that's retarded. and the same atheists who want the government to decide what you and your family can think are the same people who want to disarm citizens and give all the power to the government usually too. why do people ant the government to have all this power?





It will never be illegal.  I was just trying to prove a point so let’s get back on track banana.  Kids can be swayed to believe in nonsense at an early age before theyre able to make educated decisions.  Some of us choose or are able to break free from such silly thoughts once we get a bit older.  That’s all I’m trying to say.



exactly, if you dont agree then you can break free. i was able to break free from my atheist upbringing.

if you truly beleive that you should be able to teach it to your kids and if anything is wrong it's not a religious person passing on the tradition to their kids, it's a third party judging the parent for doing so.

just because you disagree with me i shouldnt teach my kids about something that is extremely important to me?  how about i insist that you to raise your kid as christian?

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    #25081916 - 03/22/18 09:09 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Would it not make the most sense to, instead of teaching one thing or the other, teach them an entire spread exists? The beadth and depth of spirituality, religion, or lack of, and allow them the time to work it out for themselves?

Never gonna happen of course, but if you wanna talk in ideals...


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    #25081923 - 03/22/18 09:12 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

If that’s true I find it to be extremely fascinating.

I don’t know you from a hole in the wall but I’m guessing you felt like there was something missing in your life so you decided to fill that void with the magic man in the sky OR, perhaps it was to help recover from some sort of previous abuse or addiction in your life?


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    #25081926 - 03/22/18 09:14 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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Would it not make the most sense to, instead of teaching one thing or the other, teach them an entire spread exists? The beadth and depth of spirituality, religion, or lack of, and allow them the time to work it out for themselves?

Never gonna happen of course, but if you wanna talk in ideals...



because parents should be allowed to teach their kids about their own values.

everyone thinks that any bias whatsoever is wrong. you canr pass any preconceived notions onto a kid or else you are an evil brain washer who targets children. part of raising your family is passing on good values. im jot going to present everyrhing in a totally bipartisan, unbiased way. i have had some valuable life experience that has shaped my opinions. its not wrong to let that influence my kids. thats how knowledge and value accumulates and culture is created. we build on what was handed down to us. if eveything is open to interpretation then there is no structure amd we never progress. we are just constantly in chaos.

this is what i meant when i was talking about terrence mckenna. any preconceived notions or biases are bad.

its ok to have a bias as long as you acknowledge it and dknt pretend to be unbiased

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    #25081930 - 03/22/18 09:16 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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If that’s true I find it to be extremely fascinating.

I don’t know you from a hole in the wall but I’m guessing you felt like there was something missing in your life so you decided to fill that void with the magic man in the sky OR, perhaps it was to help recover from some sort of previous abuse or addiction in your life?



i dont beleive in a man in the sky. why dont you ask me what i beleive instead of assuming.

you dont have to interpret the bible like a corn fed creationist.

ive talked very breifly about what god means to me in this thread if you want to try to understand.

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    #25081933 - 03/22/18 09:19 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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I don’t know you from a hole in the wall but I’m guessing you felt like there was something missing in your life so you decided to fill that void with the magic man in the sky OR, perhaps it was to help recover from some sort of previous abuse or addiction in your life?



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    #25081939 - 03/22/18 09:22 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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if eveything is open to interpretation then there is no structure amd we never progress. we are just constantly in chaos.



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    #25081948 - 03/22/18 09:26 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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if eveything is open to interpretation then there is no structure amd we never progress. we are just constantly in chaos.



Horseshit. That statement reeks of fear.



its ok to determine whether something is right or wrong. our society is based on set rules. its good to be open monded but you dont have to be completely unbiased. having too much order is bad, but so is having too much chaos. you need a balence.

i dont care what you think, i think murder, rape and theft are bad. im ok with setting that i  stone.

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    #25081953 - 03/22/18 09:29 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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I don’t know you from a hole in the wall but I’m guessing you felt like there was something missing in your life so you decided to fill that void with the magic man in the sky OR, perhaps it was to help recover from some sort of previous abuse or addiction in your life?



Once again, you're exactly the type of person I was talking about lol





Had you not started this thread we wouldn’t be having this discussion. I wouldn’t know or care about your beliefs and you wouldn’t know about mine.


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    #25081959 - 03/22/18 09:31 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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i dont care what you think, i think rape and theft are bad. im ok with setting that i  stone.



I feel that these are terrible acts, and thus would never commit them. I don't need to think to know that.

Were the entire next generation taught to 'question everything' the world would change beyond recognition in less than a hundred years.

Like I already said, not gonna happen, and I know that, but just think of the lost potential in indoctrinating all of our young the way that we do.


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    #25081961 - 03/22/18 09:32 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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I don’t know you from a hole in the wall but I’m guessing you felt like there was something missing in your life so you decided to fill that void with the magic man in the sky OR, perhaps it was to help recover from some sort of previous abuse or addiction in your life?



Once again, you're exactly the type of person I was talking about lol





Had you not started this thread we wouldn’t be having this discussion. I wouldn’t know or care about your beliefs and you wouldn’t know about mine.



So it’s his fault you feel the need to be condescending?

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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: DustyBottoms]
    #25081970 - 03/22/18 09:36 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

You joined the discussion and started acting condescending and presumptuous about religion and who follows it. Shoving beliefs down people's throat doesn't have to mean you run up to them and start ranting your philosophy in their face. It can mean you talking to someone like their beliefs are inferior to yours, and assuming they only believe out of fear or desperation. I could assume you're only so dismissive of religion because you're too scared or lazy to imagine something greater than ourselves. But that would be a dick move


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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #25081971 - 03/22/18 09:37 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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    #25081977 - 03/22/18 09:38 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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i dont care what you think, i think rape and theft are bad. im ok with setting that i  stone.



I feel that these are terrible acts, and thus would never commit them. I don't need to think to know that.

Were the entire next generation taught to 'question everything' the world would change beyond recognition in less than a hundred years.

Like I already said, not gonna happen, and I know that, but just think of the lost potential in indoctrinating all of our young the way that we do.



then why do people kill? if we automatically know its bad and dont need to agree on rules, then at what point did it become that way? 10 000 years ago? 50 000 years ago? when did we magically get the ability to know right from wrong?

i think its extremely silly to say that the right or wrong thing is self evident. you feel that marriage is bad, that just shows that your feelings are wrong because marriahe is acctually really good for society. why arent you in touch with your feelings enough to know that?

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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: BANANA.MAN] * 1
    #25081990 - 03/22/18 09:43 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

There wasn't a point it became that way. It became that way over time. Just like how in 100, 200, 300 years, what is considered good and bad will be different. Maybe they'll look down on us for having it legal for a 60 year old man to fuck an 18 year old. Or, maybe they'll look down on us for not allowing a 15 year old girl to consent to sex with an adult. Who knows. Morality is relative, imo, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't establish rules. Just that those rules come from a place of relative morality.


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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #25081996 - 03/22/18 09:45 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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you feel that marriage is bad



Stop fucking doing that please, it's really shitty of you. That's the second time in a couple of days you've pulled that up to judge me. I never said that, I said I don't think I would do it again. That's all. I entirely approve of marriage and would suggest anyone try it.

You're putting words in my mouth.

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then why do people kill?



Because tribalism, because war, because revenge, because abuse, because mental health.

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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: Near Dylan]
    #25082001 - 03/22/18 09:46 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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There wasn't a point it became that way. It became that way over time. Just like how in 100, 200, 300 years, what is considered good and bad will be different. Maybe they'll look down on us for having it legal for a 60 year old man to fuck an 18 year old. Or, maybe they'll look down on us for not allowing a 15 year old girl to consent to sex with an adult. Who knows. Morality is relative, imo, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't establish rules. Just that those rules come from a place of relative morality.



thats what im saying. there wasnt any specific point that it happened because it hasnt happened. but since he beleives we are capeable of knowing what is right, there must be a point at which that happened.

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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: BANANA.MAN] * 2
    #25082009 - 03/22/18 09:49 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Thoughts from my favorite atheist, Dr Richard Dawkins:  Is the reason to be good is to gain gods approval and reward, or to avoid disapproval or punishment?  If you agree that in the absence of god, you (people) would commit robbery, rape and murder you are revealing yourself as an immoral person and we would be wise to steer clear.  If you, on the other hand, believe that you would continue to be a good person then you have fatally undermined your argument that god is necessary for us to be good. 

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    #25082012 - 03/22/18 09:49 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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you feel that marriage is bad



Stop fucking doing that please, it's really shitty of you. That's the second time in a couple of days you've pulled that up to judge me. I never said that, I said I don't think I would do it again. That's all. I entirely approve of marriage and would suggest anyone try it.

You're putting words in my mouth.

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then why do people kill?



Because tribalism, because war, because revenge, because abuse, because mental health.

Have you never done ANYTHING that you deep down knew was wrong?



you did say marriage is stupid and people like fucking so just let them fuck or something along those lines. you didnt merely say you wouldnt do it again. i can dif up the thread when i get time. bit even if u did. what you felt was right acctually has observable negitive consequences. either way it shows that you dont always know automatically what is right and wrong.

its true. if you knew what was right and wrong automatically you would know that marriage is good for society. clearly that just proves that your feelings arent always right.

yes i have done things i have mnown were wrong, because i learned that they were wrong. if i was just raised out in the woods away from society i probably wouldnt think about what is right and what is wrong. id just do whatever i felt like.

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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: BANANA.MAN] * 2
    #25082015 - 03/22/18 09:51 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

I'm out. I refuse to debate with someone who would insist on telling me what what I said/meant/intended.


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    #25082019 - 03/22/18 09:52 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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There wasn't a point it became that way. It became that way over time. Just like how in 100, 200, 300 years, what is considered good and bad will be different. Maybe they'll look down on us for having it legal for a 60 year old man to fuck an 18 year old. Or, maybe they'll look down on us for not allowing a 15 year old girl to consent to sex with an adult. Who knows. Morality is relative, imo, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't establish rules. Just that those rules come from a place of relative morality.



thats what im saying. there wasnt any specific point that it happened because it hasnt happened.



It has happened. Not for every single person in the exact same way, obviously. But generally speaking, when we do things that are seen as immoral, we usually feel bad. Morality was instilled into us. Of course there are some people that respond differently to doing things that are seen as evil by society, but often times its due to factors like drug use, mental illness, or isolation that changes the way they perceive morality, and deviates it from the accepted moral perspective of the times.


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    #25082021 - 03/22/18 09:53 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm out. I refuse to debate with someone who would insist on telling me what what I said/meant/intended.



who said we were debating? that implies we are trying to prove eachother wrong. im just having a discussion.

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    #25082091 - 03/22/18 10:30 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Atheists don’t have a ‘belief’. I’ve met more arrogant Christians than edgy atheist teenagers, and the edgy teenagers don’t even berate people, they are just annoying.

Maybe you need to lay off the keyboard. I’ve never met any abrasive atheist ‘gospel’ in my life, and I’ve lived in 2 populous states and a rural one.

What experiences have you even had to form such a negative opinion of secular people? All I see is secular people don’t want a book dictating their life decisions, even if their decisions are well intentioned.

Why are there so many hateful Christians? History has shown again and again that religion ( or just Christianity) has been a huge root of evil in the world. It’s manipulative, it’s greedy, and it apparently can’t speak for itself, so it needs to be shouted in front of a bunch of numbnuts who can’t read the content of the Bible for themselves. Why are there people telling others how to live their life because “the Bible says...”? It’s disgusting. If I needed help, I wouldn’t turn to God. I would turn to the ones in my life, the ones I can speak to and the ones who are there to help me.


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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #25082106 - 03/22/18 10:35 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm out. I refuse to debate with someone who would insist on telling me what what I said/meant/intended.



who said we were debating? that implies we are trying to prove eachother wrong. im just having a discussion.




Debating?  That’s what you call this?  You can’t debate with religious people because from the outset they are not using logic or reason or facts. 

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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: DustyBottoms]
    #25082119 - 03/22/18 10:41 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

That’s actually way off base. Spirituality is very logical, depending on who you talk to. You also judge there, yet what I see is someone who didn’t even read what he’s replying to. This is multiple times now you’ve otherwise called the kettle black or just lacked self awareness in your statements. You seem to be acting on emotion and that doesn’t indicate to me you’re using logic, reason, or facts. So what makes you so much better?

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    #25082146 - 03/22/18 10:50 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm out. I refuse to debate with someone who would insist on telling me what what I said/meant/intended.



who said we were debating? that implies we are trying to prove eachother wrong. im just having a discussion.




Debating?  That’s what you call this?  You can’t debate with religious people because from the outset they are not using logic or reason or facts. 

On that note, I’m out too.



i have been using logic and facts. what have i said that illogical

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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: DustyBottoms]
    #25082232 - 03/22/18 11:22 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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Debating?  That’s what you call this?  You can’t debate with religious people because from the outset they are not using logic or reason or facts. 

On that note, I’m out too.



Thus far your logic and reasoning has been so bad that even non-religious people have disagreed with you. But yea, keep condescending religious people while acting like the better man. It's a good look.


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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: Near Dylan] * 1
    #25082256 - 03/22/18 11:31 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Is there still something to talk about here?

I'd love to have a rational conversation about religion, but this thread is getting a little convoluted with personal attacks and misunderstandings.

I'm tempted to start the semantics debate (because people don't understand what atheist means) but I think I'd rather take jokeshopbeard's advice and try not to kill the thread.

Theist ppls, what God do you believe in? What are some aspects of your God?


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    #25082298 - 03/22/18 11:49 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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just google:  define athiesm



A term used to describe the dogmas of those who have developed a great hatred for any form of assumption of connection to a "higher power" which they claim to have never felt, seen, smelled, heard, or tasted, even though through hypnosis, all children can recall comminicating with "higher" beings in their earliezt years, with no humans near, accompanied with a "strange" or "transcendental" experience. Instead of trging to straight help tbose who have monotonized their imaginations and hiher powers in an external "god" being, they berate themselves and everyone else for not having ultimate sight and power already in this level of existence.

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    #25082339 - 03/22/18 12:09 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Show me the flow chart from childhood experiences of the absolute to christian belief and I will give you 1 Werthers Original Hard Candy.


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First thanks for discussing this somewhat intelligently unlike shithead




Dear god :rofl:

You really have become the poster perfect hurt edgy atheist boi as a result of your parent's betrayal in your spiritual upbringing,

Thanks for being here as an example,

And don't worry bro - I was just like this too - when I was 15 :hug:


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    #25082363 - 03/22/18 12:22 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Tell us about your beliefs twighead.


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    #25082364 - 03/22/18 12:23 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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    #25082368 - 03/22/18 12:24 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Childhood transcendence
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Beginning of conditioning
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Acceptence of conditioning
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Gradual then almkost total forgetting of previous entry, by more conditioning
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You are now a dues paying christian. Grab a bottle of something and try to deal with it, while shitting in any known form upon those who say or do differently

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Tell us about your beliefs shithead.



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    #25082385 - 03/22/18 12:35 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

I'm not an athiest or anything, but I think a lot of religious nuts should have their children taken away from them because the shit they're teaching their kids is a form of child abuse.


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    #25082423 - 03/22/18 12:48 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

I completely concur -the essence of what I was trying to discuss with dusty bottoms was exactly that

But honestly, people just do this shit because they're scared shitless - both atheists and deluded Christians, you can't really blame them entirely


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    #25082441 - 03/22/18 12:55 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

You weren't trying to discuss anything with Dusty, your point was he grew up religious, religion is mostly bullshit, Dusty is just angry at religion.

You engaged in an ad hominem fallacy, called Poisoning the well:  "a subtype of ad hominem presenting adverse information about a target person with the intention of discrediting everything that the target person says."

If your so certain you have the high ground here, perhaps you should attack his argument and not his character?


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I'm not an athiest or anything, but I think a lot of religious nuts should have their children taken away from them because the shit they're teaching their kids is a form of child abuse.



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    #25082462 - 03/22/18 01:06 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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I completely concur -the essence of what I was trying to discuss with dusty bottoms was exactly that

But honestly, people just do this shit because they're scared shitless - both atheists and deluded Christians, you can't really blame them entirely




HAHAHA.  Seriously?  You are so dumb it amazes me.  I really did intend to bow out of this discussion but you just sucked me right back in.  Do you even realize the dumb shit you have spewed all over this thread?  No?  Well let me make it easy for you.

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O shi- its that T word!

That must mean you have some proof!

Naw they just do it cause they're empty shells filled with nihilism, apathy, and no valuation or appreciation for life or the universe :awesome:

Most of them do it because they felt betrayed by their spiritual upbringing and are such empty shells that they feel their only purpose in life is to tell people there's nothing!!


That basically just verified exactly what I said, you were betrayed by your spiritual upbringing - because Catholicism is 98% bullshit :lol:

There are a million shades of this - some are very healthy to the heart.. some not so much

Do you know the definition of that word? Because everything you're saying defines it :lol:

Dear god :rofl:

You really have become the poster perfect hurt edgy atheist boi as a result of your parent's betrayal in your spiritual upbringing,

Thanks for being here as an example,

And don't worry bro - I was just like this too - when I was 15 :hug:

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Tell us about your beliefs twighead.



I'm just a lil love boi :awesome:

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Not that it's much of a gift,

Triggered is the default state of thy emotionally damaged ilk





...ok. If you intended to not seem "triggered" a sarcastic word-salad probably isn't the best course of action. But I don't mean to "trigger" you lol

So are you an atheist that has decided other atheists are annoying?

A christian who believes in a literal interpretation of the bible? 

A christian who believes in the utility of belief, who see's "god" as a philosophical carrot in the sky to be pursued?


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    #25082489 - 03/22/18 01:17 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Dusty, bow back out please mate, this shit is no good.


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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: DustyBottoms]
    #25082498 - 03/22/18 01:22 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

I love how many intelligent things have been said in this thread yet... We focus on what fucking twig head has said. Oh shroomery... Your nihilism never seeks to amaze me.

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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 2
    #25082505 - 03/22/18 01:25 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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Dusty, bow back out please mate, this shit is no good.




Fine. 

I took the name calling too far, but I wish you would've kept my fidget spinner reference in tact.

PS...I think that's the first time I've ever been censored on shroomery after 4 yrs.  I need to up my game.


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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: DustyBottoms]
    #25082526 - 03/22/18 01:33 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

This fucking forum. Some crazy established member melts and now I have a fucking 3 star rating from one downrating because the dude was being petty. sheesh.


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    #25082533 - 03/22/18 01:36 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

The PM system is your friend.


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    #25082534 - 03/22/18 01:36 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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This fucking forum. Some crazy established member melts and now I have a fucking 3 star rating from one downrating because the dude was being petty. sheesh.




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    #25082541 - 03/22/18 01:38 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

I saw this earlier and was reminded of the time patlal bragged about doing the same thing.



EDIT:  not the exact same thing, but something similar.  https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21648138#21648138

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    #25082543 - 03/22/18 01:39 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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The PM system is your friend.




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    #25082557 - 03/22/18 01:43 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

“I would rather have questions that can't be answered than answers that can't be questioned.”

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    #25082573 - 03/22/18 01:52 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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I saw this earlier and was reminded of the time patlal bragged about doing the same thing.



This is gold! XD

EDIT:  not the exact same thing, but something similar.  https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21648138#21648138




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    #25082614 - 03/22/18 02:08 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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I saw this earlier and was reminded of the time patlal bragged about doing the same thing.



EDIT:  not the exact same thing, but something similar.  https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21648138#21648138







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    #25082854 - 03/22/18 03:47 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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Tell us about your beliefs twighead.



I'm just a lil love boi :awesome:

With a divine empowered gift to trigger edgy atheist empty shells

Not that it's much of a gift,

Triggered is the default state of thy emotionally damaged ilk





...ok. If you intended to not seem "triggered" a sarcastic word-salad probably isn't the best course of action. But I don't mean to "trigger" you lol

So are you an atheist that has decided other atheists are annoying?

A christian who believes in a literal interpretation of the bible? 

A christian who believes in the utility of belief, who see's "god" as a philosophical carrot in the sky to be pursued?



None of the above.
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This fucking forum. Some crazy established member melts and now I have a fucking 3 star rating from one downrating because the dude was being petty. sheesh.



Melts? :lol: I just gave you a 0 because our only interaction has been you calling me shithead, like you thought it was clever :lol: - I just did it because I could and it's amusing.


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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: DustyBottoms]
    #25082863 - 03/22/18 03:50 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Dusty boi - you want to bring this back to the core of this discussion here's the quotes that show that you weren't willing to discuss anything - and were the first to jump to ad hominems of the sort that used to warrant insta-bans in the pub :lol: It looks like some of the posts were even deleted.

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Most of them do it because they felt betrayed by their spiritual upbringing and are such empty shells that they feel their only purpose in life is to tell people there's nothing!! :gameover:




I don't feel betrayed by my spiritual upbringing.  I was raised in a catholic family and once I started thinking for myself I realized everything they were telling me was a bs fantasy.  Prior to that the religion had been shoved down my throat (here's looking at you OP and your title of this thread) at such an early age that I didnt know any better and just accepted it.  I was able to "un-indoctrinate" once I started thinking for myself. 

It should be a fucking crime to introduce children to religion.  Imagine if that was the case and you were told about (fill in name of religion here) for the first time at 18.  Do you really expect me to believe you if you tell me you would still believe in this nonsense? 

And face it religious peeps:  You're ALMOST an atheist.  You just believe in one more god than than us.



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Most of them do it because they felt betrayed by their spiritual upbringing and are such empty shells that they feel their only purpose in life is to tell people there's nothing!! :gameover:




I don't feel betrayed by my spiritual upbringing.  I was raised in a catholic family and once I started thinking for myself I realized everything they were telling me was a bs fantasy.  Prior to that the religion had been shoved down my throat (here's looking at you OP and your title of this thread) at such an early age that I didnt know any better and just accepted it.  I was able to "un-indoctrinate" once I started thinking for myself. 

It should be a fucking crime to introduce children to religion.  Imagine if that was the case and you were told about (fill in name of religion here) for the first time at 18.  Do you really expect me to believe you if you tell me you would still believe in this nonsense? 

And face it religious peeps:  You're ALMOST an atheist.  You just believe in one more god than than us.



That basically just verified exactly what I said, you were betrayed by your spiritual upbringing - because Catholicism is 98% bullshit :lol:

There are a million shades of this - some are very healthy to the heart.. some not so much




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    #25082886 - 03/22/18 04:03 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

So if you want me to address your points, and I will -
Honestly, I was just half trolling in this thread :lol:
I have fun pushing peoples buttons playfully here, but I have no true ill intent... sorry you couldn't see it.


And I was essentially agreeing with you in many ways and you blew up on me :lol:

What happened to you - was a fucking betrayal - you trusted your family to raise you with the best of intents and they threw all this catholicism fear of god, fear of life, fear of everything BS on you trying to brainwash you and you - logically - rejected it all. That is a betrayal. How is it anything but? I don't understand how you don't see this - or why it makes you freak out. I totally agree that its terrible to induce kids this way, but I also understand that the people doing it are scared shitless about life because they don't understand things and live in fear.

And see here - the point I'm getting at - and I've lived it when I was a teenager is, when you have been lied to like this - it makes you fucking angry. And the first reaction is to go the complete opposite direction and trash everything related to religion or spirituality. I was there too, I played in death metal bands for years whose only point was to trash those sort of notions :lol:

I'm not religious by any means, and explaining my notions of spirituality would take up pages here... but I also see clearly that pure atheism, holding no beliefs - seeing no divinity in reality - however you want to word it - leaves a huge void in the way people see things, >> in my opinion << and I see the nihilistic pain in these peoples eyes, and it honestly saddens me. And I doubt they want my pity :lol: but its fucking sad. I've been there, and I was depressed as FUCK. For 20 fucking years nearly.. I would not wish that on ANYONE. It is so painful.

I have had the privilege to have experienced over and over - true divine magic - DEEP unconditional love from the universe, transcendental experience in being shown the vast divine light of this reality, to have experienced deep love and to have been shown things that have blown away any notion of 'atheism' I would've ever possibly previously held. This might sound nutso to you -- I don't know. But you're on a mushrooms forum so I don't know how you haven't dabbled in these sort of experiences personally - but I guess people haven't. Just at this point - with the things I've objectively experienced that have shown me that the universe is fucking amazing, intelligent, beautiful, whole - and a complete reflection of our own perspectives - I couldn't possibly view something like atheism seriously, and I'm sorry if that seems pretentious.


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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: twighead]
    #25082975 - 03/22/18 04:43 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Religion or no religion.

Its all just another way to get people to cliche up and hate each other.

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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: twighead] * 2
    #25083204 - 03/22/18 06:27 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

You have a fundamental misunderstanding of what Atheism is.

Atheism =/= Materialism =/= Nihilism

You are just lumping all these together into one stereotyped glob. The Atheimaterinihilist!
:sundevil: 

All atheists have experienced religion in some fashion, and experiences undoubtedly vary. You should not assume your perception is the most correct one.


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Just at this point - with the things I've objectively experienced that have shown me that the universe is fucking amazing, intelligent, beautiful, whole - and a complete reflection of our own perspectives - I couldn't possibly view something like atheism seriously, and I'm sorry if that seems pretentious.





This really illustrates the whole problem clearly.

Your experiences are by definition subjective, because they are interpreted by your brain, and you are the only one who gets to experience them.

Many atheists have had spiritual experiences, they just interpret them differently than you have.

As an Atheist I too see the universe as fucking amazing, capable of intelligence, beautiful, whole, infinite, and I'm truly enjoying every second of my existence.

I wouldn't call you pretentious, just ignorant of Atheism.


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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: Svetaketu]
    #25083270 - 03/22/18 06:54 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

I'm fully aware of that - but I'm not talking about happy awesome open-minded atheists... i'm replying specifically to the topic of this thread which is "Atheists who shove their beliefs down people's throats" so if you're not an atheist who shoves your beliefs down peoples throats than nothing I said applies to any atheists otherwise.... I'm pretty sure this is the chief point that people aren't getting in my replies...

DISCLAIMER: I'M REPLYING TO THE TITLE OF THIS THREAD

#NOTALLATHEISTS

YES I UNDERSTAND ATHEISM I WAS ONE FOR YEARS AND AM WELL AWARE OF ALL OF THE FACETS/degreesofspectrum

#IMREPLYINGTOTHESPECIFICTHREADTITLE

Tho at the same time I don't understand why someone whose had spiritual experiences would specifically label themselves an atheist to a degree :lol: :shrug: "o shi- we're all one, we're all the divine, we created this, we're all """God""" "  - "But god doesn't exist!" - This is where the semantics get iffy and people disagree of course cause if you're going to be like - "Well I don't think the Christian idea of god purported in the bible exists - so I'm an atheist" - then yes I'm an atheist too still. "I don't believe some all knowing nigga in the sky exists" Okay then I'm an atheist too.

How I define atheism is - "I don't believe in any divinity in all of existence" - and by my definition, no I'm not at all an atheist


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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: twighead] * 3
    #25083352 - 03/22/18 07:36 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

AA members who try and shove AA down your throat.


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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: Psyche delics]
    #25083407 - 03/22/18 08:06 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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Tho at the same time I don't understand why someone whose had spiritual experiences would specifically label themselves an atheist to a degree :lol: :shrug: "o shi- we're all one, we're all the divine, we created this, we're all """God""" "  - "But god doesn't exist!" - This is where the semantics get iffy and people disagree of course cause if you're going to be like - "Well I don't think the Christian idea of god purported in the bible exists - so I'm an atheist" - then yes I'm an atheist too still. "I don't believe some all knowing nigga in the sky exists" Okay then I'm an atheist too.

How I define atheism is - "I don't believe in any divinity in all of existence" - and by my definition, no I'm not at all an atheist




How about this: Yes, I have experienced that magic, which most people have attributed to god, but so far, everyone who has tried to define it has failed miserably, so ...

Guy asks you, what is your religion? Well, Guess what, if you had a spiritual experience on drugs, that's not an accepted religion.
What I have experienced at church, well, I'm sure cult members have felt the same way.

I don't believe in god.
(Guess what, that's atheist)

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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: flugelizor] * 2
    #25083411 - 03/22/18 08:08 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

I don't believe in anything. Belief is for people who think they know what's going on.

I have faith that there is a higher power at work in all this.

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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #25083440 - 03/22/18 08:21 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Wait a minute I think I have the answer to this thread!

Of course "Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats are way worse"

Because it's easy to accept someone who is wrong.
But someone who is right, and vocal about it!

Nobody likes that.
OP, did I solve the thread?

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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: twighead]
    #25083470 - 03/22/18 08:37 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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How I define atheism is - "I don't believe in any divinity in all of existence" - and by my definition, no I'm not at all an atheist




Things quickly get confusing when you make up your own definitions.

But what the hell, I'm pretty sure flugelizor solved the thread-puzzle, so while we wait for his prize to be dispensed, why not get semantical.

What would you define as "divinity" and what would you qualify as existence?


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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 1
    #25083671 - 03/22/18 10:42 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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I don't believe in anything. Belief is for people who think they know what's going on.

I have faith that there is a higher power at work in all this.

That is all.



Interesting semantics to consider - and you could say this both ways really. I've heard faith defined as belief without evidence. What I would really call it, at the end of the day in my experience - is knowing.

My experiences of the quote "true nature of reality" have been just too laughably, obtusely clear, and consistent in their message that they hold vastly more weight and credibility within me than anything humans would/could bring up or call "objective" or "proof"

I would never say I "think" I know what's going on... It has very little do with thinking. I would say that I have felt - experienced - at the soul level - whats going on. And that isn't something that I could spew out into words, or form a coherent understanding of... try as I may to babble... it's just something that has to be experienced. And while I would love for everyone to in this life - it's also whatever to me because they're going to anyway when they 'die' :lol:


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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: Svetaketu]
    #25083680 - 03/22/18 10:47 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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How I define atheism is - "I don't believe in any divinity in all of existence" - and by my definition, no I'm not at all an atheist




Things quickly get confusing when you make up your own definitions.

But what the hell, I'm pretty sure flugelizor solved the thread-puzzle, so while we wait for his prize to be dispensed, why not get semantical.

What would you define as "divinity" and what would you qualify as existence?



Things get confusing quickly when you're talking about the nature of reality because inherently it is all our own definition.

You speak of atheism as if God is a thing that is defined :lol:

So we have to take a step back there.

You do have --your-- definition... and I'm assuming it's something along the "Christian all knowing beardy guy in the sky with sum judgements to dish out"

I don't share that definition.

Divinity? My definition: This.

Existence? My definition: This.

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    #25083689 - 03/22/18 10:54 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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I would rather give all my money to a church that I don't believe in and talk to 10 jehovah's witnesses a day than sit through one more rant from an athiest about how dumb he thinks religion is.



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    #25083702 - 03/22/18 11:00 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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athiests dont kill people because there a non believer or touch little kids, or become corrupt ect



Actually, atheists do kill people for believing. Stalin, for instance. And pedophilia is by no means limited to the religious.


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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #25083703 - 03/22/18 11:01 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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That’s actually way off base. Spirituality is very logical, depending on who you talk to.





When you talk to me it's not.

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    #25083738 - 03/22/18 11:24 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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Someone I work with met his wife in church though he believes in evolution so I've never gone any further, some people find solace in their own way, I find mine in the idea that we never stopped evolving.



And I believe that evolution is the hand-print of God, moving the universe toward perfection.

Regarding your signature: If Richard Dawkins can't perceive that the universe provides to each being the opportunity to love and be loved, he lives in a hell of his own making. And I don't mean he is damned to be there by some judgmental God. I only mean that if he does not see that, though the universe seems "pitliless" and without "good or evil", it is all redeemed when one person loves another, then his existence is by definition a hell to be endured.


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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: Svetaketu] * 1
    #25083805 - 03/23/18 12:09 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

I'm so jaded I don't even believe in Nihilism any more.

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    #25083811 - 03/23/18 12:11 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

If I was in a crevice like that I'd be slangin' horse penises like mad on the side, ain't nothing to lose brother ain't nothing to gain, might as well feel the pain.

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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: twighead]
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That's what the butt stuff is for.


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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 1
    #25084322 - 03/23/18 08:09 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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I don't believe in anything. Belief is for people who think they know what's going on.

I have faith that there is a higher power at work in all this.

That is all.



"faith (noun): strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof."

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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: Near Dylan] * 2
    #25084339 - 03/23/18 08:20 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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I know you aint prepared for Round 2 of the semantics game



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    #25084349 - 03/23/18 08:26 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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That’s actually way off base. Spirituality is very logical, depending on who you talk to.





When you talk to me it's not.



Well, a lot of the things I’ve concluded most strongly are things that apply in real life in a practical sense. I may say this and that but sometimes just working through your train of thought is enough to atleast feel you’ve gotten somewhere in your philosophy, so it’s like a thought excercise just posting.

To be honest, even if I were to say there isn’t an answer, as much as there is a conversation, would that not make sense? If get hippy about it and talk about love - it’s really a way of life and understanding that some people can benefit from. Then you start getting into mathematical/physics concepts suggesting inherency, listening to scientists and such.

These are the things that interest me the most. What can I glean from philosophy and my own ability for understanding, as well as the understanding of others, in a way that it can be spiritual as well as practical? Real world. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn’t. Spirituality IMO is really about just trying to get the best out of life. Fishing can be church, as long as I’m present for every moment of it.

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    #25084383 - 03/23/18 08:42 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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Are way worse than Christians who do.

Discuss aggressively.




I've never had a athiest knock on my door trying to sell me on his lack of belief. :shrug:



Yeah there certainly are atheists who express their views obnoxiously on the internet, but at home I've only had Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses come and bother me. Comments on the internet I can just not read if I don't want to.

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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: psi] * 1
    #25084405 - 03/23/18 08:51 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

I'm an atheist but I call myself an agnostic, because atheist sounds too much like a pompous know it all, just like certain hard core Christians.


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    #25084410 - 03/23/18 08:54 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

I wonder if some people do the same thing with "vegan" vs "vegetarian".

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    #25084521 - 03/23/18 09:46 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

My belief is realizing that we as a species and I don't know half of what the universe is and why it's here


I've had so many magical expirences with people I never met or life long friends
To me

Life is Divine magic in scientific form
I worship all that is and have love for every good hearted person out there


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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: twighead]
    #25084700 - 03/23/18 10:50 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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Things get confusing quickly when you're talking about the nature of reality because inherently it is all our own definition.

You speak of atheism as if God is a thing that is defined :lol:

So we have to take a step back there.

You do have --your-- definition... and I'm assuming it's something along the "Christian all knowing beardy guy in the sky with sum judgements to dish out"

I don't share that definition.

Divinity? My definition: This.

Existence? My definition: This.

Awww yis :awesome:




I'm asking you for your definition, I suggest you do the same instead of assuming.

We could use the definition the internet agrees on;
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noun
1.
(in Christianity and other monotheistic religions) the creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority; the supreme being.
2.
(in certain other religions) a superhuman being or spirit worshiped as having power over nature or human fortunes; a deity.





Not a perfect definition, but you do have to ask yourself, if your definition of God doesn't fall under those category, why bother calling it God? Seems destined to cause confusion.

But on to the point.

Everyone has their own idea of what God is and what aspects he is allowed, and so instead of arguing for some generic God that <10% of people identify with, I asked you to define your definition more definitively, as to have a real conversation about it.

You said; This.

Indeed, "this" seems to currently be existing. I don't see too much divinity in this, but to each his own.


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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: Near Dylan] * 3
    #25084772 - 03/23/18 11:14 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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I don't believe in anything. Belief is for people who think they know what's going on.

I have faith that there is a higher power at work in all this.

That is all.



"faith (noun): strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof."

I know you aint prepared for Round 2 of the semantics game




There are many more senses of faith than this. In the theological sense, faith has nothing to do with certainty or belief. It is taking action in the hopethat something is true. Hence the term "leap of faith": I can't see any reason i shouldn't die in the fall, but I leap anyway in the hopethat there is.


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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: SamAtticus] * 1
    #25084838 - 03/23/18 11:33 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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In the theological sense, faith has nothing to do with certainty or belief. It is taking action in the hopethat something is true.



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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: Near Dylan]
    #25084852 - 03/23/18 11:39 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

:popcorn:

So belief is an extension of faith, just like the Universe is an extension of God.

How curious. :strokebeard:

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    #25084854 - 03/23/18 11:40 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Belief is to faith what the bible is to the feeling that there may be a god of some sort.


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I don't get it.


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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: Svetaketu]
    #25085721 - 03/23/18 06:31 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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Things get confusing quickly when you're talking about the nature of reality because inherently it is all our own definition.

You speak of atheism as if God is a thing that is defined :lol:

So we have to take a step back there.

You do have --your-- definition... and I'm assuming it's something along the "Christian all knowing beardy guy in the sky with sum judgements to dish out"

I don't share that definition.

Divinity? My definition: This.

Existence? My definition: This.

Awww yis :awesome:




I'm asking you for your definition, I suggest you do the same instead of assuming.

We could use the definition the internet agrees on;
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noun
1.
(in Christianity and other monotheistic religions) the creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority; the supreme being.
2.
(in certain other religions) a superhuman being or spirit worshiped as having power over nature or human fortunes; a deity.





Not a perfect definition, but you do have to ask yourself, if your definition of God doesn't fall under those category, why bother calling it God? Seems destined to cause confusion.

But on to the point.

Everyone has their own idea of what God is and what aspects he is allowed, and so instead of arguing for some generic God that <10% of people identify with, I asked you to define your definition more definitively, as to have a real conversation about it.

You said; This.

Indeed, "this" seems to currently be existing. I don't see too much divinity in this, but to each his own.



I'm sorry you don't see any divinity in -this-

I can't fathom how someone could look at these forms, so unimaginably complex - look at the trees, look at the stars, look at the sky and think "This is not divine"

But you're on a mushroom forum aren't you?

You're a seeker of some sorts I would imagine.

You do not feel divinity when you take mushrooms?

How old are you - if I may ask?

Have you had an experience of taking 5 grams of mushrooms in silent darkness? :wink:

Have you gone into the wilderness for days on end?

Have you danced for 7 hours straight?

Have you meditated?

Do you do yoga?

Have you cleansed your body?

The more you heal your body, the more the light of the universe shines through you :heart:


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    #25086138 - 03/23/18 09:47 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Divinity -
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of, from, or like God or a god.
2.
excellent; delightful.


If you mean divine as in excellent; delightful I would certainly call whatever "this" is, divine.

However, if by divine you mean of, from, or like God or a god, then no, I don't see anything divine in any of this. I'm not sure how I could since we have yet to define God.

See how everything comes back to semantics in the end? Unless we define terms like God, Divine, and spiritual, these sentences basically amount to meaninglessness.


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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: Svetaketu] * 3
    #25086229 - 03/23/18 11:07 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

I did'nt read the thread but i have to say, as a polytheist and polyamorist, that i believe in gods and goddesses but i also strongly believe in cock.  So in regards to the latter adoration, if someone wants to shove their belief down my throat i'm all for it!


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    #25086292 - 03/23/18 11:54 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm an atheist but I call myself an agnostic, because atheist sounds too much like a pompous know it all, just like certain hard core Christians.




I think calling yourself an atheist makes it sound like you're in some kind of club.

Like, are you a solo practitioner, or are you in, like, an atheist coven or something?


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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: Svetaketu] * 1
    #25086509 - 03/24/18 04:03 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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Divinity -
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of, from, or like God or a god.
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excellent; delightful.


If you mean divine as in excellent; delightful I would certainly call whatever "this" is, divine.

However, if by divine you mean of, from, or like God or a god, then no, I don't see anything divine in any of this. I'm not sure how I could since we have yet to define God.

See how everything comes back to semantics in the end? Unless we define terms like God, Divine, and spiritual, these sentences basically amount to meaninglessness.



Yes indeed :lol:
Ok, my definition of God/god: I, You, me, he, she, they, it, the grass - the sand - the energy - the man - the sky - the earth - the stars - the love - the feeling - the dance - the music. Everything.

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    #25086532 - 03/24/18 04:44 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm an atheist but I call myself an agnostic, because atheist sounds too much like a pompous know it all, just like certain hard core Christians.




I think calling yourself an atheist makes it sound like you're in some kind of club.

Like, are you a solo practitioner, or are you in, like, an atheist coven or something?




You might be sardonic here, but I agree there are very mainstream atheist schools of thought, to a point where their unofficial membership can be inferred rhetorically. Dawkins atheists, for instance are easy to spot, and easy to avoid confirming their stereotypes of theists: that we know nothing of biology, evolution, or science in general, we believe the world is 6,000 years old, etc...  And it's quite easy to defeat these people when you assume a more moderate position, because they are constantly going to hold you to a straw man, and it's very easy to not be what they are accusing you and others of in a blanket way, and yet still maintain spiritual or mystical beliefs that aren't necessarily dogmatic.

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    #25086540 - 03/24/18 04:49 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

I just think it's funny how you can say, 'Oh they've all read that one book, and now they all think the same, and consider themselves better than everyone else,'

and people say, 'You mean the Bible?'

And you say, 'No, The God Delusion by Dawkins.'

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    #25086593 - 03/24/18 05:48 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

I will tip my hat to everyones beliefs or lack there of because it's incredible to be part of the infinite possiblilities that manifests into this metaphysical and physical reality.

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    #25086646 - 03/24/18 07:04 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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Ok, my definition of God/god: I, You, me, he, she, they, it, the grass - the sand - the energy - the man - the sky - the earth - the stars - the love - the feeling - the dance - the music. Everything.

Okay? :awesome::heart: Completely inclusive. No outliers. - nothing that isn't that.




That is a very unusual definition for God.
In fact, that definition would completely invalidate all atheists.
I think most people call that the "universe", and every (sane person) believes in it.

But the good news is, if you change your god definition in this way, you can be athiest, and never have to admit it to anybody.
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    #25086960 - 03/24/18 10:55 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

I'm "atheist" in as much as I'm not a theist, and the term used for that is...atheist :shrug:

We seem to have learned, from the Christians posting here, that, a belief in the virgin birth is not necessary, that, some of the stories in the bible are allegorical. Maybe the walking on water, parting of the seas, curing the blind and feeding thousands with a couple of fish and a chunk of stale bread, are also allegorical, let alone the resurection or being the son of a god. What is left?

To my mind, what is left is a symbol imbued with all the positive traits our species are capable of, the altruism, benevolence and everything good our species have, and trying to emulate that, rather than whatever the oppposite of that would be, and calling that christian.

Do unto others...who would argue with that. All that faith, and yet none for our own species ability to come up with something so blindingly obvious that you need to invoke an omnipotent being. :nonono:

If everyone was always nice to everyone else, and no one did anything but good deeds, and  no one was ever nasty, or did bad deeds, the world would be a better place.
No shit Sherlock, you need an omnipotent being to point that out to you? and you want me to entertain your beliefs on my doorstep?
No thanks. Have a nice day. Shuts door.


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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: Plain] * 1
    #25087120 - 03/24/18 12:23 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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twighead said:
Yes indeed :lol:
Ok, my definition of God/god: I, You, me, he, she, they, it, the grass - the sand - the energy - the man - the sky - the earth - the stars - the love - the feeling - the dance - the music. Everything.

Okay? :awesome::heart: Completely inclusive. No outliers. - nothing that isn't that





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Pantheism

pan·the·ism
ˈpanTHēˌizəm

noun

1.
a doctrine that identifies God with the universe, or regards the universe as a manifestation of God.

2. rare
worship that admits or tolerates all gods

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Pantheism is the belief that all reality is identical with divinity, or that everything composes an all-encompassing, immanent god. Pantheists do not believe in a distinct personal or anthropomorphic god and hold a broad range of doctrines differing with regards to the forms of and relationships between divinity and reality.








Well alright there we go! Words with meaning! :awesome:

Ahh yes Pantheism. I like this philosophy, because logically, it checks out.

If we equate the universe to God, indeed, this means the universe is divine by definition.

I'm just not sure what the point of calling the universe God is.

The everything we experience already has names; the universe, the cosmos, reality, ect.

If you don't like those names, you could make up another. But why God? It's a fine word no doubt, it's just got a lot of historical baggage attached to it.

The universe does not become any more amazing and incomprehensible by calling it God. Why not just call it the universe? Or if your bent on it being a spiritual alias, maybe Tao? Or The Big Electron!

Then you could be really spiffy, and say fancy things like we all come from the Tao. And return to the Tao. Tao was in the beginning, and will be in the end. All is Tao.

Doesn't that sound nice?


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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: Svetaketu] * 1
    #25087169 - 03/24/18 01:00 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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Plain said:

Pantheism

pan·the·ism
ˈpanTHēˌizəm

noun

1.
a doctrine that identifies God with the universe, or regards the universe as a manifestation of God.

2. rare
worship that admits or tolerates all gods

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Pantheism is the belief that all reality is identical with divinity, or that everything composes an all-encompassing, immanent god. Pantheists do not believe in a distinct personal or anthropomorphic god and hold a broad range of doctrines differing with regards to the forms of and relationships between divinity and reality.






That's what I am, I guess


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Re: Athiests who shove their balls down people's throats [Re: Svetaketu] * 1
    #25087174 - 03/24/18 01:02 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

in regards to pantheism.

people tend to have a problem with god being represented the way he is. i think there is a very good reason why god is portrayed in the bible as a judgemental father. as i already mentioned god respresents the future, and what is the future made up of? people. people who are going to judge you.

when adam became self consiouss the first thing he did was hide because he realized he was naked. he became aware of his insufficiencies. animals dont think about that stuff. but once adam ate the fruit, he realized that all his insufficiensies were on display to be judged.

why was it a snake that opened adam and eves eyes? reptiles are very significant when it comes to human psychology. thats why they pop up in mythology so often. snakes were our biggest predator when we lived in the trees (also the reason for the tree of knowledge of good and evil being a tree) and as a defense mechanism our eyes evolved to be able to see snakes and react before they killed us. humans use sight as our main sense whereas most animals use smell. the only animals with better sight than us are bird of prey pretty much. so the snake and the tree caused humans to gain sight.

humans gained sight and realized that we will be judged and we began altering our behaviour to prepare to be judged. thats why adam and eve clothed themselves.

alot of people think that they clothed themselves to represent sexual sin. i think its about their vulnerability being on display to be judged not their sexuality. like when you have a dream in which you realize you are naked in a public place, usually its not sexual, you are usually feeling embarrassed/vulnerable and want to cover yourself or get the hell out of there as soon as possible.

thats why i think god is portrayed the way he is in the bible. it seems like thats one of the biggest things people get hung up on.

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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: Psyche delics]
    #25087365 - 03/24/18 02:46 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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Psyche delics said:
AA members who try and shove AA down your throat.





AA Members are some of the most aggressive non religious converters.


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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: Near Dylan] * 3
    #25134466 - 04/12/18 10:51 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Somethin I forgot to say is that it's the intention that is almost everything here. When a Christian is shoving his bullshit in your mouth, it's because he genuinely feels he is saving your soul. He wants to help you, in his eyes. But when an atheist does it, it is to try and disprove you. To try and say "look how stupid this is!".

One intention is to help, and the other is to condescend.


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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: Near Dylan] * 2
    #25134498 - 04/12/18 11:16 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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Near Dylan said:
Somethin I forgot to say is that it's the intention that is almost everything here. When a Christian is shoving his bullshit penis in your mouth, it's because he genuinely feels he is saving your soul. He wants to help you, in his eyes.



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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: Near Dylan] * 1
    #25134532 - 04/13/18 12:01 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

to be fair, some christians do it just to be dicks, too.


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Re: Athiests who shove their beliefs down people's throats [Re: Baby_Hitler] * 2
    #25134585 - 04/13/18 12:59 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Spirituality without religion is great.

Meditation without eastern religion, woo woot!

Theist and atheists arguing over things is silly


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