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Why cow pies?
    #2507774 - 04/01/04 07:58 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

This is something I and a few friends have been wondering about for a while now... Why do some shrooms grow exclusively in cow shit? Why not in shit from other animals?


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Re: Why cow pies? [Re: SS4DBZ]
    #2509034 - 04/01/04 09:11 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

herbacious animals are like a compost bin they dont use acid to digest their food-it is slowly broke down by enzymes and bacteria and chewing -usually twice hence "chewing their cud".A cows body temp is in the 80'f(+/-4-5'depending on breed)and it is the perfect invironment for certain mushroom spores(why do some mushrooms grow on trees?its their invironment)and they do grow from other animals dung(horse shit,rabbit shit,possibly any vegetarian animal)


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Re: Why cow pies? [Re: doc34]
    #2509172 - 04/01/04 09:15 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I dunno about cubes growing on rabbit shit, but they will grow on horse manure. They favor cow manure the most because of the type of digestive system a cow has.


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Re: Why cow pies? [Re: SS4DBZ]
    #2509803 - 04/01/04 09:40 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

And I should point out that there are now more than 190 recognized species of psilocybian mushrooms worldwide and out of those 190 species, approximately only 32 of them occur directly in manure.

The others are in manured soil or woody debris such as decidous leaves and twigs, beauty bark mulch, sphaghum moss grassy areas and/or compost heaps and even branches.

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Re: Why cow pies? [Re: SS4DBZ]
    #2510092 - 04/01/04 10:02 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Well I just did a search for rabbit manure and up jumped"Rabbit manure grow-by GRower"--interesting post btw.


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Re: Why cow pies? [Re: doc34]
    #2512546 - 04/01/04 11:41 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

doc34 said:
Well I just did a search for rabbit manure and up jumped"Rabbit manure grow-by GRower"--interesting post btw.




Hrm... that is neat.


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Re: Why cow pies? [Re: Gumby]
    #2519259 - 04/02/04 04:32 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Cubensis also grow on buffalo dung, and elephant dung..

I think buffalo might grow even better shrooms than cows; judgeing from the pics mj has taken in s/e asia.

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Re: Why cow pies? [Re: GGreatOne234]
    #2519320 - 04/02/04 05:01 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

A buffalo is just a fancy cow.....elephants impress me though.


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Re: Why cow pies? [Re: GGreatOne234]
    #2519433 - 04/02/04 05:36 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

GGreatOne234 and in deer droppings, however, that is also extremely rare.

In Thailand, and youknow I posted the giant mounds of elephant dung for you ages ago, the common dung mushrooms are usually coperinus, Panaeolus antillarum and that is about the majority of elephant dung shrooms.

And while I have once observged cubes in elephant dung, that was in India, not in Thailand.

And as far as buffalo, inclue Gaur also and in fact any 4-legged ruminant.

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Re: Why cow pies? [Re: doc34]
    #2519731 - 04/02/04 07:26 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

>A cows body temp is in the 80'f(+/-4-5'depending on breed)and it is the perfect
>invironment for certain mushroom spores

Not really.

"The normal core body temperature of a healthy, resting cow is stated on average to be 101.5 degrees Fahrenheit"

Source: http://hypertextbook.com/facts/1998/PeiJunChen.shtml


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Re: Why cow pies? [Re: SS4DBZ]
    #2519892 - 04/02/04 08:40 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

because everyone loves to grow in a pile of nice warm cow shit, its the best.


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Re: Why cow pies? [Re: runnerup]
    #2519997 - 04/02/04 09:28 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Well Anno I should never disagree with you but ,well,uh,I guess I have to.>http://www.animal.ufl.edu/extension/beef/documents/SHORT93/HAMMOND.HTM

results trial 1-Rectal temperature in cows


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Re: Why cow pies? [Re: doc34]
    #2520578 - 04/03/04 02:52 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

You are quoting one source which studied the RECTAL temperature.
My quote lists 5 sources which state the body temperature.
If you inquire a bit more into this, you will notice that most(all?) of the mammals have a body temperature around 100?F, this has to do with the biochemistry of the mammal system.


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Re: Why cow pies? [Re: Anno]
    #2521010 - 04/03/04 10:01 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I'd have to go with Anno on this one. In fact 80 sounds WAY to low, most mammals experience hypothermia in the low 80's, I beileive humans its 84 but its been awhile.

Larger mammals almost always have a higher core tempeture then smaller. Its not a rule but a general guidline.

Cows digestive systems use a number of methods to digest food, rechewing food, bachterial digestion, fermentation. (Hey if you've got four stomachs, you might as well attack the food from every angle.) Fermentation is too slow at suchs low tempetures.


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Re: Why cow pies? [Re: CoolMojo]
    #2521180 - 04/03/04 11:21 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Ok people,I'm doing some more searching and according to what anno said - its true to a certain extent depending on "the breed in question"

Now maybe the 'core temp' is hotter than a rectal temp but not a 20'f difference! I find that hard to believe even though I have read other info stating this to be true and I have also found conflicting articles saying different.
I lived on a cattle and horse farm for over 15 years and I have had my arm-shoulder deep in a horse ass to see how the foal was(her baby)and I have done cows the same way and been there when their temp was taken(not a core temp-that might kill the cow).Does cattle have an enternal heater or something?I thought rectal temps were the most accurate of temps.

And the human body temp is 98.6


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Re: Why cow pies? [Re: doc34]
    #2521191 - 04/03/04 11:25 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

There is a big difference in cattle breeds(shorthair-v-longhair)color of skin(black attracts heat-white is a cooler color-red brown pink)
it all depends on the breed and at what time,what temp ,were they resting ,were they excercised-there are all kinds of different settings that can alter their temps


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Re: Why cow pies? [Re: doc34]
    #2521358 - 04/03/04 01:33 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Hi,

herbacious animals are like a compost bin they don't use acid to digest their food

that's incorrect, the fourth stomach cavity of those animals is like any other stomach with enzymes and acids.
remember that a reasonable portion of proteins that they absorb are microorgamisms' proteins.


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Re: Why cow pies? [Re: Hermes_br]
    #2521587 - 04/03/04 03:18 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

True but their stomach "acid "is weak and doesnt harm certain organisms and spores.It isnt strong enough to break down what they have allready chewed up - twice.

Every pile I pick up looks like chewed up grass or ground up grass it doesnt look like dissolved grass,or broken down.I can actually pull the blades of grass from the pile(all throughout it not just under it).

I am speaking of "free range cattle" not your penned up and caged animals.


besides all of this disagreeing- YES,RUNNERUP, cow poop is the SHIT!!!!! :thumbup: :cool:


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Re: Why cow pies? [Re: doc34]
    #2521696 - 04/03/04 03:58 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

from: http://www.das.psu.edu/calfuplink/class02.html

" Just as an added comparison between the rumen(the biggest cavity) and abomasum(the fourth one), let's compare their pH levels. pH is an indicator of how acidic or alkaline a fluid is with a pH of 7 being neutral. The pH of the rumen should range between 5.8 to 6.4. This environment allows the growth of many species of bacteria. Because the abomasum is similar to a human stomach, the pH here ranges between 2 and 4, which is due largely to hydrochloric acid production. Microbes can't survive the very low pH levels of the abomasum, but they thrive in the pH levels of a healthy rumen. As the calf matures, more of the digestion takes place in the rumen. This permits more flexibility in the kinds of feeds one can offer as the calf graduates to an all dry feed ration, because the rumen microbes can digest them. "

as a side note, there is a report of a P. cubesis growing from human feces  :eyemouth: :thumbup:
sorry, I have no link for that.


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Re: Why cow pies? [Re: Hermes_br]
    #2521991 - 04/03/04 05:32 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

True but their stomach "acid "is weak and doesnt harm certain organisms and spores.It isnt strong enough to break down what they have allready chewed up - twice.

bacterial and fungi spores may survive through the abomasum.

but understand that the cattle can not digest fibers, the microorganisms present in their rumen can. So the size of particules of the poop pile is related to the time that the original substrate stayed in the rumen.


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