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clbertgv
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Is 40mg 4-AcO-DMT too much for first time?
#25072369 - 03/18/18 04:56 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Its not my first time tripping but my first time trying this substance, would 40mg be too much? i don't want to be underwhelmed and i do like intense psychedelic experiences
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MentalPariah
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Re: Is 40mg 4-AcO-DMT too much for first time? [Re: clbertgv]
#25072729 - 03/18/18 10:07 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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I personally enjoy 40mg. Maybe it doesn t effect me the same as some people, but I feel like it's an "empty" experience if you compare it to say mushrooms. It's less mind blowing and more "oooooooo colors!!"
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Re: Is 40mg 4-AcO-DMT too much for first time? [Re: clbertgv]
#25072741 - 03/18/18 10:14 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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What's your weight? I'd dose 0.45mg per kg of body weight. I've seen people on the larger end barely react to ~20mg before so I'd stand by this dosing strategy. I've personally gone up to the triple digits a few times with this substance. Was great when I had it. "Rick Strassman's research administering psilocybin to subjects involved both .45 mg/kg and 0.9 mg/kg oral psilocybin. At 0.45 mg/kg the 'subjects' experiences were strong, fully psychedelic. They could get out of bed but didn't want to." Source
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Re: Is 40mg 4-AcO-DMT too much for first time? [Re: ExpelErebus]
#25072767 - 03/18/18 10:25 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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It’s not even body weight. At all. Some people metabolize it better than others creating a varying ratio of active compounds.
In all honesty 4aco dmt is kind of variable even for someone who uses it. I almost always had a scale so I know my doses and sometimes it would be wayy different. I’ve also seen people get much more potent effects than I have at the same dosages. 40mg of complete fractalization, strong +++.
So basically 40mg might rock you or it might just be nice. People can give dosages all day but when it comes down to it, it’ll happen how it happens. All you can do is try to limit the ceiling as best you can.
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clbertgv
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Re: Is 40mg 4-AcO-DMT too much for first time? [Re: ExpelErebus]
#25072805 - 03/18/18 10:44 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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i weigh 82kg so its about 35mg
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Bill_Oreilly
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Re: Is 40mg 4-AcO-DMT too much for first time? [Re: clbertgv]
#25072868 - 03/18/18 11:13 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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clbertgv said: Its not my first time tripping but my first time trying this substance, would 40mg be too much? i don't want to be underwhelmed and i do like intense psychedelic experiences
Yes. No more than 30mg for a first time. Especially if its the freebase and not the fumerate
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Bill_Oreilly
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Re: Is 40mg 4-AcO-DMT too much for first time? [Re: MentalPariah]
#25072872 - 03/18/18 11:14 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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MentalPariah said: I personally enjoy 40mg. Maybe it doesn t effect me the same as some people, but I feel like it's an "empty" experience if you compare it to say mushrooms. It's less mind blowing and more "oooooooo colors!!"
Its like the LSD version of mushrooms. Magical but you can still tell it was made in a lab.
but boy when its injected...it ends your fucking life..
its literally "the end"
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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clbertgv
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Re: Is 40mg 4-AcO-DMT too much for first time? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#25072907 - 03/18/18 11:28 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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its hcl
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clbertgv
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Re: Is 40mg 4-AcO-DMT too much for first time? [Re: MentalPariah]
#25072908 - 03/18/18 11:29 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Really? i heard it can get pretty deep.
Edited by clbertgv (03/18/18 11:33 AM)
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Bill_Oreilly
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Re: Is 40mg 4-AcO-DMT too much for first time? [Re: clbertgv]
#25072948 - 03/18/18 11:54 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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clbertgv said: its hcl
i would dose at 20-25mg tops
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Re: Is 40mg 4-AcO-DMT too much for first time? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#25073303 - 03/18/18 01:50 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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20 to 25mgs for an experience closer to 2 to 2.5 grams of mushrooms, or 50mgs for a full on experience. Me personally, 50mgs was wonderful, strong, but wonderful, not particularly all that intense, but quite powerful. Anything below about 50mgs, for me personally, isn't worth it, i don't get much out of it, i get some interesting effects but not an actual experience.
Also for me it feels nearly identical to mushrooms, but it feels like pure Psilocin rather than mushrooms. Especially if i mix 4-ACO with Harmalas and Shrooms with Harmalas, it's nearly identically the same experience, same potentiation, same length of duration, etc. Some people say it feels a bit different, but it's good enough for me and is definitely Psilocin.
20 to 25mgs for me was a lot better than 30mgs, 30mgs sucked, haven't tried 40mgs, but 50mgs was the best so far.
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Re: Is 40mg 4-AcO-DMT too much for first time? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#25073314 - 03/18/18 01:55 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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I think 25 mg is "supposed" to be compared with almost an eigth of dried cubensis. But I got to thinking maybe it's 10mg per gram aco to mush comparison.
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