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Chaz08
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redgreenvines said: Well if you have well worked out defensive scenarios in your mind where you fend off the other guy, having that gun in real life, and having a few tabs of acid in that same life are not really compatible: your great reflex with live ammo may get triggered by anything - note that defensive anticipation behavior is deeply ingrained through millions of years of evolution. so I don't think any good will come of it.
Transcending that instinctive defensive response does not include escalation of "fear of the other guy", by imagining complex offense and defense behavior, and surrounding yourself with weaponry.
You already said you do not get guns, you do not know, to my knowledge, the individual or their relationship with guns. But you can confidently say all of that????
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Enkidu
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Re: Tripping Alone [Re: Chaz08]
#25068611 - 03/16/18 12:02 PM (6 years, 14 days ago) |
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I meant no disrespect either.
Definitely value and respect the words of RedGreenVines.
Sorry for the off topic OP
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Re: Tripping Alone [Re: Chaz08] 1
#25069062 - 03/16/18 03:32 PM (6 years, 14 days ago) |
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Chaz08 said:
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redgreenvines said: Well if you have well worked out defensive scenarios in your mind where you fend off the other guy, having that gun in real life, and having a few tabs of acid in that same life are not really compatible: your great reflex with live ammo may get triggered by anything - note that defensive anticipation behavior is deeply ingrained through millions of years of evolution. so I don't think any good will come of it.
Transcending that instinctive defensive response does not include escalation of "fear of the other guy", by imagining complex offense and defense behavior, and surrounding yourself with weaponry.
You already said you do not get guns, you do not know, to my knowledge, the individual or their relationship with guns. But you can confidently say all of that????
pretty much, yah, GUNS is not a separate dimension with alternate truths about how the mind works.
I know how the mind works. Love of GUNS does not change the laws of mind or physics.
what I don't get is why people have bought in so deeply to the NRA. and I don't mean I don't get it, I mean - how fucking stupid is AMERICA that students have to walk out of school which is supposed to be a gun free sanctuary for learning and growth........
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DougB
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Alone is fantastic. You get to go as deep as you like or keep it light with music, being outside, being with your plants, etc. (though all of those examples can get profound, of course). I like to follow my own whims and casually do what moves me without having to consider someone else's thing, but that pretty much sums me up for the most part.
Doing it with friends is something that I loved to do when I was 'young' but these days it's really great and beneficial to spend some quality time with myself.
I'd keep the phone far away, too, and use it only if you need to reach out to someone. That's just my opinion; I think disconnection is a luxury these days.
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My Elysium Trips
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Try a smaller dosage alone, first.
Maybe less than a gram, to check it out.
But, I also can only suggest, & I don't know Exactly what to say about your OP.
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Sabnock
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My Elysium Trips said: Try a smaller dosage alone, first.
Maybe less than a gram, to check it out.
Hahahah
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jimgerryrig
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Re: Tripping Alone [Re: Sabnock]
#25070972 - 03/17/18 01:35 PM (6 years, 13 days ago) |
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Enkidu
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Re: Tripping Alone [Re: Sabnock] 1
#25071877 - 03/17/18 08:17 PM (6 years, 12 days ago) |
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Sabnock said:
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My Elysium Trips said: Try a smaller dosage alone, first.
Maybe less than a gram, to check it out.
Hahahah
Idk man.
Thats a little hefty.
Might wana tone it down a bit...
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The89thchamber
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Re: Tripping Alone [Re: Enkidu] 1
#25071915 - 03/17/18 08:37 PM (6 years, 12 days ago) |
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I prefer tripping alone too. Like others have said, it's less distractions and you can go much deeper into yourself.
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jimgerryrig
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ive had telepathic trips with 3 or more people to each their own
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Ferdinando
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sometimes with guns etc. I think of it not only as what is the need of them (yes that, that's true). and also:
in the case of violence what it's like (the experience/state) becomes decreased in quality and in the case that violence produces death the experience becomes decreased in quality all the way to the non-state of death or at least till the experience is not positive (as in what's it like). so there is that. both good points or something like that I think, redgreenvines was probably better, but mine is a really good point too maybe.
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phenomeno
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Re: Tripping Alone [Re: Enkidu]
#25077248 - 03/20/18 09:15 AM (6 years, 10 days ago) |
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Enkidu said: Ive tripped alone countless times.
Literally couldn't count how many.
More alone than with people no doubt.
Most ever was 140g fresh mushrooms alone.
You'll be fine.
If anything its way better alone.
It can be different.
Gets deeper.
Don't worry.
Remember it will pass in time... It's not permanent... Accept what comes.
Accept it and face it. Trust me...
You'll feel much better..
What are you taking and how much?
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elasticaltiger
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Keep some disney movies queued up just in case it gets dark.
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Enkidu
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elasticaltiger said: Keep some disney movies queued up just in case it gets dark.
idk man...
Fantasia is pretty depressing...
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Re: Tripping Alone [Re: Enkidu]
#25078113 - 03/20/18 04:11 PM (6 years, 10 days ago) |
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I thought it was about accepting however dark or depressing it gets, not to try to steer away from it
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Enkidu
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Re: Tripping Alone [Re: Mateja]
#25078121 - 03/20/18 04:15 PM (6 years, 10 days ago) |
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Mateah said: I thought it was about accepting however dark or depressing it gets, not to try to steer away from it
Have no choice but to go through it
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VeganRights
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Hi everyone, I'm new to this forum, I'm happy to share my experience here. Actually, a few months back, a trip alone nearly ended in dead for me... luckily i survived and im in good shape (only some scars), im thankful to be alive. To tell a little more background story. Im 29, male.
Upto a year ago, my life was pretty messed up: had troubles from childhood, troubles in later life, addictions, weird social, and psychological/philosophical issues (i was raised with some weird belief systems, like solipsism).
Recent years i was walking away from my problems, gaming, using drugs, watching porn regularly, also havent had a gf for years now...i am good looking (highly intelligent also, not to brag..), but i was just too messed up, escaping from myself.. I also went to a psychologist for years, but that didnt help much.
About a year ago I really felt the need to change myself and my life, face everything, and to do everything i can do about it. I started watching tons of self help stuff on youtube, which indeed helped a lot (i like infinite waters a lot). I started writing with myself, started changing my belief systems, changing habits etc. One very very important change I made is that I love myself now, and I used to hate myself. The love for myself doesnt come automatically, it comes from doing the right things.
About half a year ago i was thinking about mushrooms potential, i have done them in the past, with so called friends (i dont see these people anymore), but those experiences were always about fun/going crazy/acting weird etc. I am not interesed in that way anymore now, but i am (still) interested in the spiritual/philosophical/self improvement side of the psychedelic experience. So i decided to try shrooms again, after many years, to do it alone. A reason was also that I dont have many friends, and I dont know someone who I can do the trip with, but because i really wanted to improve my life, i decided to do it alone, and start small.
So I took a small dose, and eating (mushrooms) very slowly, little by little, in like a meditative state. The experience was awesome, and i definitely learned things from it (about myself, about life..). These were also actually things which i could implement in my life (i felt the harmful effects of smoking way more strongly, lost my interest in smoking, i felt like i did not want to hurt my body anymore through smoking).
A few weeks later i did it again, again very profound experience. I repeated doing mushrooms alone, with the intention, to stop if i dont get any more positive results from it anymore. I also had 'negative' experiences, like sad emotions. However, I could handle it, i letted it be, and it also even had something 'nice' some beauty of sadness, to be able to feel some things which i had pushed aside for years. There was 1 time though that I became very frightened and felt like i was trapped because of some past experiences, but i layed in bad, and waited it out. So many positive experiences, and the more sad experiences I also learned from.. I decided to keep doing mushrooms until i would reach the point, where i did not have any gains of any learnings / positive effects of it anymore. I want to really respect this stuff, and use(d) it with therapeutic and spiritual intentions.
Then I decided to take a heroic dose, during evening/night, this is where the accident happened. When the effects came, it felt amazing, but i felt SO good, and full of clarity that i wanted to share it/talk about it to some one i love and care about
I asked myself, do i feel 'clear' enough to leave the house, because i knew i was under influence. But yes, i could handle it well, lets go i said. This was of course a big mistake. Before with the lower doses there was one time i left the house and went into nature (at night too) which was profound, but also a bit risky. But this time i went to see family, more risky. First i tried to phone call, but it was already mid night and wasnt being answered. Btw, in general i would suggest to not leave the house while 'tripping'.
I went to my grandma's house (1 o'clock at night), but she didnt open the door, which was strange, because i made a lot of noise, and i knew she was at home.
I went to the garden (the house is in the outer area of town, lot of space between houses), had feeling i connected with nature, there were animals around, the moon was very bright. I felt very alive, and strong, but also felt all kind of emotions, feeling angry/sad about the injustices in this world (i feel humanity is treating animals for meat consumption/pleasure terrible) Got back to the front door, still wasnt opened, i was like.. wtf is the door not being opened, i was screaming out loud. And then i started slamming it.. I smashed my hand through the window, pulled back my arm, and my wrist and hand werr cut by the glass... blood was pouring out.
I started screaming, luckily some neighboors heard it, and rescued me (called an ambulance). I wasnt able to work for a few months, and if these neighboors were not there, i might have bleeded to dead, the bleeding was very severe, and one moment i could feel my conciousness fading away. Turned out by the way that my grandma turned pretty deaf a few weeks before...
I actually benefited a lot from the mushroom experiences, upto this heroic dose.. I did it maybe 10 times alone (from like small doses to normal doses, 5-15 grams of fresh truffles). I had really profound experiences, and my life quality has improved a lot compared to a few years ago. I got rid of my addictions, felt more being myself, more peace, more health, way better social interactions etc.
Oh yeah, i always did it meditative, even no music (psy/trance), because it was really about entering the inner world experience (and mostly at evening / night, i also recommend that time, my experiences in general were better than during day time). The thing is, i still feel intrigued and interested in the potential of mushrooms. Also im not affraid to face scary emotions, a bad trip (although one time felt really scary, but still just layed down and waited it out). But of course, especially after this accident, i dont want to take risks which could end up terribly..this accident could have ended fatally. On the other hand, i gotta say the shroom experiences also saved my life, because i could get rid of all kind of negative stuff and beliefs from the past, and i could get rid of all my self destructive addictions. Even weed i dont smoke anymore. My life was on such a downhill path, that if i continued living that way,i probably would not live long anymore. Also, again, in all areas of life the quality has increased (because a lot of improvement, partially because of insights while under influence of shrooms). I see it as a sacred plant, but i dont want to take crazy risks anymore, after this accident i havent ate shrooms anymore. While tripping some times, there was in general a lof of positive, but i gotta bring a nuance also, it sometimes felt very confusing. Like is it awakening, or is it just hallucination and confusion? For example ive seen clips of animals given psychedelics and they look completely disoriented and confused. I do believe there is a sacredness to it, but its not all sweet and magical.. lol.. but some of the though patterns and 'state of beings' were truly amazing, insightful and amazing. Thanks for reading! Any feedback is appreciated! Grtz & peace!
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Re: Tripping Alone [Re: Mateja]
#25078145 - 03/20/18 04:25 PM (6 years, 10 days ago) |
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IĀ“ve been meaning to discuss something with someone who frequently takes big doses but I canĀ“t find active members, are there any here?
My trips have kind of changes over the past 6 months, I canĀ“t seem to get scared anymore , usual doses are between 10-30g. I experience some sort of EGO 'diminishments' and some weird states where I feel sober 1h into 175g fresh, to tell you the truth the doses IĀ“ve been taking lately should land me on lvl 5.5 every time, but it feels more like lvl 3.5-3.9... I donĀ“t wanna say lvl 4 because thatĀ“s when EGO split usually starts to happen, when you for example cant decide if youĀ“re sitting or not, or if you are in the room or not. I havent experienced that kind of detatchment in a while.
Has anyone else experienced this?
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Re: Tripping Alone [Re: Enkidu]
#25078561 - 03/20/18 07:09 PM (6 years, 9 days ago) |
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Enkidu said:
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elasticaltiger said: Keep some disney movies queued up just in case it gets dark.
idk man...
Fantasia is pretty depressing...
But there's titties everywhere lol never realized that until I watched it later on in life. Fantasia 2000 isn't bad either
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Enkidu
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Re: Tripping Alone [Re: Mateja]
#25078958 - 03/20/18 09:59 PM (6 years, 9 days ago) |
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Mateah said: IĀ“ve been meaning to discuss something with someone who frequently takes big doses but I canĀ“t find active members, are there any here?
My trips have kind of changes over the past 6 months, I canĀ“t seem to get scared anymore , usual doses are between 10-30g. I experience some sort of EGO 'diminishments' and some weird states where I feel sober 1h into 175g fresh, to tell you the truth the doses IĀ“ve been taking lately should land me on lvl 5.5 every time, but it feels more like lvl 3.5-3.9... I donĀ“t wanna say lvl 4 because thatĀ“s when EGO split usually starts to happen, when you for example cant decide if youĀ“re sitting or not, or if you are in the room or not. I havent experienced that kind of detatchment in a while.
Has anyone else experienced this?
No i can't say I have.
Maybe you're eating too much too frequently which is diminishing the experience ?
I have taken some large doses, but usually when I dose high, I don't feel the need or desire to take mushrooms much for a bit. Usually I will take some L in the meantime until I feel like really tripping again.
Maybe take a break... Maybe try some dmt...
Usual dose of 10-30g ... ? How often you do this...? lol.
Sober 1 hour into 175g fresh...? That is unbelievable to me. At that point I think i would be on my way into the deepest and most powerful part of the trip.
The most I have ever even eaten was 140g fresh.
I have dosed 5g, 7g, 10g, 140fresh, some doses in between here and there and some of those levels more than once, which all brought me more or less to the same place.
Complete detachment from my physical location and even from my body. To me it is like my mind travels somewhere then after the peak when I am done with my closed eye laying on the floor or bed or wherever, it feels like I am coming back into my body and back to the physical realm.
I can't say I have ever really got "scared" with mushrooms. The only time I have ever been "scared" was with DMT when I tried it the two times I tried it, but even though I tested it with a kit and it tested positive for indoles and was identified on these boards as looking like changa others have gotten, i was convinced something was off about it. But it was terrifying. Only psychedelic experience I have had that I would label as terrifying.
I would suggest possibly taking a tolerance break from mushrooms.
Even trip on other substances in the meantime should still help get a break from the "mushroom" experience and help with creating that powerful experience you're looking for.
I feel that way compared to when I use to take say 3.5g and it blew my socks off. Now 3.5g is like, a walk in the park for me lol. Maybe youre experiencing the same thing with your high doses... But I can't say that I have experienced this myself....
Mushrooms seem to retain their magic for me and seem to be the psychedelic I have the strongest affinity towards, though I haven't experimented much with others besides LSD...
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