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I want to talk to you about *NOT* using Kambo frog venom 15
#25069141 - 03/16/18 04:04 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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This is slightly offtopic since Kambo is not a psychedelic and is actuaslly quite toxic, but its becoming popular in circles where ayahuasca and similar are popular, so I'm doing a lil PSA to urge people to choose for their own safety and for the wellbeing of these frogs.
Kambo treatment involves getting a burn wound on your skin, then having a frog venom on a stick applied to it. This gets absorbed through the damaged skin, people start vomiting, heart racing, sweating severely, turning dark red, severe nausea and vertigo and after that is over they feel better about themselves and decidedly more spiritual for having had The Experience.
If this sounds like a bad idea, that's not what concerns me. what concerns me is that wild frogs are caught in the Amazon and they are subjected to a treatment to entice them to produce the venom that allows you to feel spiritual and good about your ordeal. Let me take the focus off of *you* brave soul, and lets focus not on your ordeal but that of the Kambo frog.
A frog is tied up spread eagle, suspended in mid air hanging by its full weight on its spread limbs tied straight, being repeatedly stuck deep into its nostrils and ass with a straw, they do this with all the frogs they catch and that is the stuff more and more people use for their spiritual healings. Roger that.
I want to stop the proliferation of this practice which involves tying up and torturing wild animals to the point of excreting their defense venoms, outside of indigenous circles, this primarily for the sake of the frogs. Thety don't need a market for tens of thousands of frog tortures a year to meet a global demand.
Here lies a role for pharmaceutical companies, to find the active principles which have the therapeutic effect and then using these molecules as templates for either nature identical or nature derived medicines which can be mass produced without harming any frogs, and delivered in dosages that are reliable and with a greater degree of safety than the natural product. They are peptides sequenced from a dozen or so amino acids, that shouldn't be hard to produce.
I have no problem with Indigenous healers, but it shouldnt become a worldwide market ran by unscrupulous dealers.
Go eat a mushroom people! You don't do this to frogs:
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Re: I want to talk to you about *NOT* using Kambo frog venom [Re: Asante] 2
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fuck that practice. They say that its not hurting the animal but IMO thats just torture just look at the way that poor frog its all tied up .
Thanks for the info Asante.
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Re: I want to talk to you about *NOT* using Kambo frog venom [Re: ADCC420] 1
#25069270 - 03/16/18 05:04 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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(s)he even cries out a few times and closes the eyelid and twists as the stick approaches to poke again. That is torture. Imagine getting "high" (well sick) on something tortured out of an animal. Its perverse, like shooting up another's tears. Interestingly there are vegans partaking in this, they have no clue.
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Re: I want to talk to you about *NOT* using Kambo frog venom [Re: Asante] 3
#25070429 - 03/17/18 08:31 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Great post, actually just watched a video on a Kambo session(yourmatetom on youtube)
The whole thing just seemed self-indulgent and out of place. A bunch of white guys with long hair and flip flops, with "psychedelic clothing" and scarves and stuff, burning sage and insense while burning themselves with venom of a tortured frog(theyre vegan too, I believe).
What is "real" about any of that? Who's culture is that? It's like playing dress up. Go have your rad little spiritual sesh, at the expense of the frog in this instance, then go back home to your self-indulgent consumption driven existence feeling like you accomplished something.
There are so many more ways for these people to achieve what they're looking for. Looting the rainforest for ayahuasca is not necessary and is not helping anyone. Messing with the natural lives of beautiful frogs and toads for kambo or 5-meo is going directly against the integration with nature that I feel is what many people actually want. It's all so misguided.
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Re: I want to talk to you about *NOT* using Kambo frog venom [Re: feevers] 2
#25070875 - 03/17/18 12:49 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Whoever feels good about themselves having an experince that is derived from torturing animals is sick minded and selfish.
I agree there are plenty of other ways for people to reach that spiritual state of mind. It makes no sense why this would be seen as acceptable.
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Re: I want to talk to you about *NOT* using Kambo frog venom [Re: feevers]
#25071763 - 03/17/18 07:13 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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feevers said: Great post, actually just watched a video on a Kambo session(yourmatetom on youtube)
The whole thing just seemed self-indulgent and out of place. A bunch of white guys with long hair and flip flops, with "psychedelic clothing" and scarves and stuff, burning sage and insense while burning themselves with venom of a tortured frog(theyre vegan too, I believe).
What is "real" about any of that? Who's culture is that? It's like playing dress up. Go have your rad little spiritual sesh, at the expense of the frog in this instance, then go back home to your self-indulgent consumption driven existence feeling like you accomplished something.
There are so many more ways for these people to achieve what they're looking for. Looting the rainforest for ayahuasca is not necessary and is not helping anyone. Messing with the natural lives of beautiful frogs and toads for kambo or 5-meo is going directly against the integration with nature that I feel is what many people actually want. It's all so misguided.
But make sure you donate to his patreon so he can sustain his livelihood and keep the channel going!
Fucking joke mate
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Re: I want to talk to you about *NOT* using Kambo frog venom [Re: NOUS333]
#25071784 - 03/17/18 07:23 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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someone should message the youtube guys who video their own sessions and inform them of this (I give them the benefit of the doubt and hope they are unaware of how it is obtained), so they can make a video and discourage others from doing this. Asante, you should do it, they probably come onto this site all the time, so they will be more inclined to believe what you tell them.
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Re: I want to talk to you about *NOT* using Kambo frog venom [Re: reincarnated]
#25071814 - 03/17/18 07:43 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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listen we came from frogs people, tadpoles are hella water, we are hella water we secrete immense amounts of DMT from a cleansed pineal gland just like the fucking frog,s, WERE FROGS EVOLVED 90001. ITS COMMON SENSE XD
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Re: I want to talk to you about *NOT* using Kambo frog venom [Re: reincarnated] 1
#25071901 - 03/17/18 08:28 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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jimgerryrig said: listen we came from frogs people, tadpoles are hella water, we are hella water we secrete immense amounts of DMT from a cleansed pineal gland just like the fucking frog,s, WERE FROGS EVOLVED 90001. ITS COMMON SENSE XD
Don’t say things that aren’t proven by science. It makes everyone look bad
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reincarnated said: someone should message the youtube guys who video their own sessions and inform them of this (I give them the benefit of the doubt and hope they are unaware of how it is obtained), so they can make a video and discourage others from doing this. Asante, you should do it, they probably come onto this site all the time, so they will be more inclined to believe what you tell them.
They must know. I barely did any research on this stuff years ago and the first thing I saw was a tied up frog. It’s impossible to research this stuff and not run into that.
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Re: I want to talk to you about *NOT* using Kambo frog venom [Re: jimgerryrig]
#25071934 - 03/17/18 08:49 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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jimgerryrig said: listen we came from frogs people, tadpoles are hella water, we are hella water we secrete immense amounts of DMT from a cleansed pineal gland just like the fucking frog,s, WERE FROGS EVOLVED 90001. ITS COMMON SENSE XD
You are a moron. You really believe you evolved from something like a frog!! If you believe in that then you ultimately believe you came from a rock. I would much rather believe in the beginning God, Not in the beginning Dirt. It takes way more faith to believe in evolution than it does the bible. If you actually look at the facts science provides clear evidence this earth is less than 6000 years old. check this out Video Link
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Re: I want to talk to you about *NOT* using Kambo frog venom [Re: shroomerite] 3
#25071991 - 03/17/18 09:25 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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jimgerryrig said: listen we came from frogs people, tadpoles are hella water, we are hella water we secrete immense amounts of DMT from a cleansed pineal gland just like the fucking frog,s, WERE FROGS EVOLVED 90001. ITS COMMON SENSE XD
You are a moron. You really believe you evolved from something like a frog!! If you believe in that then you ultimately believe you came from a rock. I would much rather believe in the beginning God, Not in the beginning Dirt. It takes way more faith to believe in evolution than it does the bible. If you actually look at the facts science provides clear evidence this earth is less than 6000 years old. check this out Video Link
Well. Didn’t think this thread would get dumber than stating matter of factly dmt is produced in pineal gland. I was wrong. Holy shit.
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Re: I want to talk to you about *NOT* using Kambo frog venom [Re: Asante]
#25071998 - 03/17/18 09:28 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: I want to talk to you about *NOT* using Kambo frog venom [Re: jimgerryrig] 2
#25072039 - 03/17/18 09:51 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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You both need to science more.
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Re: I want to talk to you about *NOT* using Kambo frog venom [Re: NOUS333] 3
#25073762 - 03/18/18 05:17 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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I have a theory about Kambo.
The alternative spiritual circuit has ayahuasca, where you trip and get sick, and the plentiful posers who don't dare to opt for tripping opt for getting more sick without tripping instead, so, Kambo.
Also, Kambo comes with a scar which is shown off as a badge of honor, proof of having had "the experience" (of getting violently sick) that if necessary can be faked with an incense stick.
Any ordeal will effect transformation if its done well. Thats how I see Kambo, as a form of shock therapy.
Its completely silly that now suddenly everybody "needs" to do Kambo.
I find it unethical that people strip the amazon of its Caapi vine and Psychotria leaf by the TON - harming the Jungle they claim to love - when they juast as easily can grow shrooms and get an experience of equal value and merit as ayahuasca, that is less toxic, where no puking and diarroea ensues, that doesnt make certain foods lethal - but its even more unethical that now not just the jungle is harmed by harvesting lianas and leaves but they are actually torturing frogs, injuring and traumatizing them, because they want to hop on the ethno train but are too scared to take a proper psychedelic.
It upsets me. fake spirituality as big business at the expense of the rainforest and tortured frogs in particular.
Spiritually too: If a frog is tortured so that you can get rid of your issues, is that not black magic? Is that not malevolent hedonism?
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Re: I want to talk to you about *NOT* using Kambo frog venom [Re: Asante]
#25073784 - 03/18/18 05:26 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Asante said: I have a theory about Kambo.
The alternative spiritual circuit has ayahuasca, where you trip and get sick, and the plentiful posers who don't dare to opt for tripping opt for getting more sick without tripping instead, so, Kambo.
Also, Kambo comes with a scar which is shown off as a badge of honor, proof of having had "the experience" (of getting violently sick) that if necessary can be faked with an incense stick.
Any ordeal will effect transformation if its done well. Thats how I see Kambo, as a form of shock therapy.
Its completely silly that now suddenly everybody "needs" to do Kambo.
I find it unethical that people strip the amazon of its Caapi vine and Psychotria leaf by the TON - harming the Jungle they claim to love - when they juast as easily can grow shrooms and get an experience of equal value and merit as ayahuasca, that is less toxic, where no puking and diarroea ensues, that doesnt make certain foods lethal - but its even more unethical that now not just the jungle is harmed by harvesting lianas and leaves but they are actually torturing frogs, injuring and traumatizing them, because they want to hop on the ethno train but are too scared to take a proper psychedelic.
It upsets me. fake spirituality as big business at the expense of the rainforest and tortured frogs in particular.
Spiritually too: If a frog is tortured so that you can get rid of your issues, is that not black magic? Is that not malevolent hedonism?
Idk bro. I was impressed by the yourmatetom vid when he broke down crying. Seemed he actually got something from it all by seeing that. But yeah. From my understanding he’s scared to take mushrooms anymore? Probably could of gotten the same thing from that. But. I can’t say. I’ve never done kambo and never will. That shit isn’t for me.
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Re: I want to talk to you about *NOT* using Kambo frog venom [Re: NOUS333]
#25073799 - 03/18/18 05:33 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Of course people break down crying, its shock therapy, people get a severe shock to the system, that's going to pack a wallop psychologically because of the hardships faced.
Many life changing beneficial experiences were head by electroshock therapy, or electroconvulsive therapy as it is called officially.
Maybe that will be the further extreme, after having done a dozen Kambo sessions.
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Re: I want to talk to you about *NOT* using Kambo frog venom [Re: Asante]
#25073819 - 03/18/18 05:42 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Asante said: Of course people break down crying, its shock therapy, people get a severe shock to the system, that's going to pack a wallop psychologically because of the hardships faced.
Many life changing beneficial experiences were head by electroshock therapy, or electroconvulsive therapy as it is called officially.
Maybe that will be the further extreme, after having done a dozen Kambo sessions.
Idt as many people would be drawn to that because there’s no history of shamans conducting it.
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Re: I want to talk to you about *NOT* using Kambo frog venom [Re: jimgerryrig] 1
#25073910 - 03/18/18 06:21 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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jimgerryrig said: listen we came from frogs people, tadpoles are hella water, we are hella water we secrete immense amounts of DMT from a cleansed pineal gland just like the fucking frog,s, WERE FROGS EVOLVED 90001. ITS COMMON SENSE XD
Is that supposed to be justifying this act? Like, because we 'came from frogs' its fine to torture frogs? Cuz w/ that mentality I should be able to torture all my elders to harvest the DMT from their pineal, right?
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#25074528 - 03/18/18 11:59 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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nothing justifies torture, especially with the resources available today.
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Re: I want to talk to you about *NOT* using Kambo frog venom [Re: Asante] 1
#25077192 - 03/20/18 08:38 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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This is awful. When they poke the frogs ass you can see the stick poke all the way through the skin to the other side.
I didn't know this was becoming a fad. That frog can't even move after that and might be dead 2 days from the incident.
I bet the experience isn't all that great either.
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Re: I want to talk to you about *NOT* using Kambo frog venom [Re: Asante]
#27449370 - 08/30/21 11:34 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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I hear what you are saying. However, Kambo is actually a really great medicine.
The problem is (as with most of these sorts of medicines) over-harvesting and commercialization leading to improper and unscrupulous practices.
I have done a number of Kambo trainings, in Peru we call it Sapo. The people who I train and work with own a large piece of land outside of Iquitos that is home to the frogs. I have held the frog. I have watched the harvesting. It isn't as torturous as you make it sound.
When a frog is found at night, it is sung to. Then a long pole is extended up to where the frog is chilling (high up in a tree). The sloth-like frog slowly reaches out and grabs onto the pole, which and is lifted down to the people.
The frog is very chill and docile. If a person is calm and soothing, the frog likes to be held. However a nervous person will make the frog nervous.
The frog is pet gently and sung to softly. Medicine is only taken if the frog has not been harvested in a while. You can tell if it has been harvested based a little ring on the frog's leg.
GOOD practitioners only take part of the frog's venom, and leave part for it's own natural defenses and biology. Of course there are some people who are only out to make money and do not care about the frogs. There are some people who harvest it all without gentleness, care or respect. There are some people who cut the medicine with egg whites.
There is an origin story for the use of Sapo (Kambo):
A medicine man by the name of Kampu had a village full of sick people, and they could not find relief or cure. After trying for many months to heal his people, he drank a brew from the Mother Vine and went into the jungle to find a cure for his community.
The spirit of Aya told him to find healing from the frog which then appeared. At first he was bewildered in how this frog would heal his people. But then it was explained to him that the frog is a noble and sovereign healer. It was then taught to him the method of using the medicine.
It seems to me that it is in the frog's nature to heal. If it didn't want to offer it's medicine, they never would have instructed Kampu in the practice.
*A quick note on the pharmaceutical industry:
There have been a couple different occasions in which pharmaceutical companies have paid to gather up 1000s of the frogs, which were then taken to their facilities. But the frogs would not produce venom for them. It seems that the frogs only produce the medicine in their natural environment. It may be dietary or some other biological mechanism. Or it may be that the frogs don't translate through to that sort of sterility.
There ARE pharmaceutical companies which are working to patent some of the peptides. However, there are more things at play in the medicine than mere chemical reactions. While the peptides can be used to heal many different things, there are aspects of the medicine which I doubt will come out of a laboratory.
**And the hippy douschebags in tie-dye and flipflops? There are probably way more of those people eating psilocybin. There are annoying and ridiculous people in most any type of community.
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#27450315 - 08/31/21 01:11 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Psilocybin doesnt get tortured out of a frog though.
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Re: I want to talk to you about *NOT* using Kambo frog venom [Re: Asante] 1
#27450963 - 08/31/21 01:17 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Do you know for sure that a mushroom doesn't feel pain when it is cut or torn from it's mycelial body?
Do mushrooms enjoy growing in captivity? Are there purists out there who only consume free range mushrooms that are found in the wild?
One interesting thing about interfacing with something like a psilocybin mushroom is that the mushroom gets to experience things that are new and novelty, outside of it's nature. When the mushroom is melded with our mind and nervous system, we seem to take on and experience part of it's own unique intelligence. And it in turn get's to experience bits of our own psychology as well as our sense organs, which must be quite interesting for a mushroom.
Through us th mushroom gets to experience the taste of fruit, the sound of music, the feeling of movement, the experience of sex, etc.
This idea COULD be extrapolated. What of the people conducting psilocybin assisted therapy? Sometimes in these scenarios deep traumas can be pulled to the surface to be relived and released. Who are we to subject the beloved mushroom to these horrifying and painful experiences?
Even more tangible, I know somebody who tells a story of being a teenager, him and his girlfriend's brother were on mushrooms at a party. They ended up getting jumped by a soccer team who was on crystal meth. Beaten ruthlessly while on a very heavy trip. The younger brother had a psychotic break and personality split that night following the experience.
Did the mushroom enjoy the events of that evening?
Do you suggest to pescatarians that they stop eating fish?
What about a man who, with the aid of Kambo, is able to refine and purify himself, releasing his animalistic and abusive tendencies that were passed down through his paternal lineage? What if that sort of work (with the frog) ripples outwards? Perhaps the man changes his course, and instead of abusing his children and wife, he ends up being a good, healthy, integral father and spouse? This then breaks a chain of suffering and pain that would have continued through his children's children on down line... Do we know how much the frog really suffers? If we did know, who determines if the end justifies the means?
Do cow's like being milked? Some say they feel relief. What about when they are packed into a factory to have their tits sucked by robots?
I'm guessing possibly you are a vegan. Maybe not. Just saying there is a lot of gray area here.
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Re: I want to talk to you about *NOT* using Kambo frog venom [Re: repeatingdigits] 4
#27451095 - 08/31/21 02:44 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Mushrooms don't feel anything, they're a fruiting body of mycelium. There are no neurons or sentience in a fruit. For many mushrooms the mycelium "wants" animals to eat them, so they can grow out of your poop. Other "like" being picked because it helps spread their spores.
Frogs feel pain, torturing them for your own pleasure is shitty and no amount of mental gymnastics can change that. If your goal is spiritual work you should find another drug, there's a whole world full of them.
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Re: I want to talk to you about *NOT* using Kambo frog venom [Re: Asante]
#27452668 - 09/01/21 07:08 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Asante said: (s)he even cries out a few times and closes the eyelid and twists as the stick approaches to poke again. That is torture. Imagine getting "high" (well sick) on something tortured out of an animal. Its perverse, like shooting up another's tears. Interestingly there are vegans partaking in this, they have no clue.
Considering you can literally go to a dozen websites and order Kambo sticks online, and there are hundreds of "healers" that practice it all over the world, if not thousands, then you can imagine the industrial revolution of harvesting this frog venom.
I mean even people who say they get it in ways that aren't damaging etc., they get it straight from the tribes, do they really know? Sure, maybe when they were down there it was all fine and holistic and non-damaging, but once they are gone... I imagine the vast majority of it is sourced improperly.
The only time I'd ever do it is if I literally, or someone i fully trusted, went down there to visit the tribes, and brought it back themselves. Still haven't done it yet.
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Re: I want to talk to you about *NOT* using Kambo frog venom [Re: Typerwritermonky]
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Re: I want to talk to you about *NOT* using Kambo frog venom [Re: epilectric]
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Ok so I want to start off saying that torture or abuse of an animal for something they produce is terrible! You will never have peace if you do this.
With that being said I want to add that not all frogs are tied up and abused. Many places treat these frogs with great respect and reverence. They are never tied up or abused. They are held and petted and sang to and fed and they come willingly. They are rubbed very little and then released.
Vice and whoever else has depicted this in a terrible way!!
I don’t think Kambo is for everyone but I HOPE everyone knows that TORTURE IS NOT REQUIRED! So if you do seek this out or it’s offered to you make sure it’s somewhere with ethical treatment and if you see otherwise, fix it! Let them know that isn’t required and this can be done symbiotically.
Just my 2 cents.
Ive had an opportunity arise in my travels to partake in a few weeks and am looking forward to being around the animals even if I don’t participate.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated as not much knowledge is out there. Just hated seeing so little info on this site and wanted to spread some info about ethical practices that are common among like minded groups that care about the world and animals and people
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Re: I want to talk to you about *NOT* using Kambo frog venom [Re: Asante]
#28571821 - 12/06/23 05:48 PM (1 month, 21 days ago) |
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I’ve heard of people grinding up scorpions and sprinkling it into their tobacco to smoke it. Anything with a neurotoxin is always going to be more harm than it’s worth.
Edited by GenesisCorrupted (12/06/23 09:27 PM)
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Re: I want to talk to you about *NOT* using Kambo frog venom [Re: Spicy]
#28572120 - 12/06/23 08:50 PM (1 month, 21 days ago) |
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Spicy said: Ok so I want to start off saying that torture or abuse of an animal for something they produce is terrible! You will never have peace if you do this.
With that being said I want to add that not all frogs are tied up and abused. Many places treat these frogs with great respect and reverence. They are never tied up or abused. They are held and petted and sang to and fed and they come willingly. They are rubbed very little and then released.
Vice and whoever else has depicted this in a terrible way!!
I don’t think Kambo is for everyone but I HOPE everyone knows that TORTURE IS NOT REQUIRED! So if you do seek this out or it’s offered to you make sure it’s somewhere with ethical treatment and if you see otherwise, fix it! Let them know that isn’t required and this can be done symbiotically.
Just my 2 cents.
Ive had an opportunity arise in my travels to partake in a few weeks and am looking forward to being around the animals even if I don’t participate.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated as not much knowledge is out there. Just hated seeing so little info on this site and wanted to spread some info about ethical practices that are common among like minded groups that care about the world and animals and people 
Thanks for providing better context on this topic Spicy. 
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Re: I want to talk to you about *NOT* using Kambo frog venom [Re: Northerner] 2
#28572167 - 12/06/23 09:45 PM (1 month, 21 days ago) |
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Any ceremony or practice can be considered spiritual. I don't believe there is any spiritual benefit to kambo other than the same spiritual benefits you could acquire by going through any difficult or challenging experience.
We have certain culturally accepted "spiritual" ceremonies that people think they need to do in order to acquire a spiritual upgrade, it's just not true.
And then people associate these practices as the only way to be spiritual, and that's where the whole spiritual ego comes from. By doing "spiritual" things.
Yes, sure psychedelics can invoke a spiritual experience, but many other things can too 
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Re: I want to talk to you about *NOT* using Kambo frog venom [Re: Eclipse3130] 1
#28572409 - 12/07/23 05:44 AM (1 month, 21 days ago) |
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Yeah it doesn’t seem very spiritual or beneficial. (but like you said anything can be done with intention) Seems dangerous and toxic.
And if not everyone is doing right then it’s just furthering abuse and disruption of the jungle…
There’s much better and safer tools that are more sustainable for sure.
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Re: I want to talk to you about *NOT* using Kambo frog venom [Re: Spicy] 1
#28576458 - 12/09/23 10:21 PM (1 month, 18 days ago) |
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That whole Hamilton Morris video helped popularize this shit. Something that makes you puke and shit, and like all animal venoms is dangerous. I wouldn't even do it if it didn't hurt the poor animals because it sounds like no fun at all. I see local hippies are selling "kambo cleanse" sessions here. It always comes back to that: money. Spiritual practices co opted and put up for sale, no one ever giving it away for free.
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