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Asante
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I want to talk to you about *NOT* using Kambo frog venom 15
#25069141 - 03/16/18 04:04 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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This is slightly offtopic since Kambo is not a psychedelic and is actuaslly quite toxic, but its becoming popular in circles where ayahuasca and similar are popular, so I'm doing a lil PSA to urge people to choose for their own safety and for the wellbeing of these frogs.
Kambo treatment involves getting a burn wound on your skin, then having a frog venom on a stick applied to it. This gets absorbed through the damaged skin, people start vomiting, heart racing, sweating severely, turning dark red, severe nausea and vertigo and after that is over they feel better about themselves and decidedly more spiritual for having had The Experience.
If this sounds like a bad idea, that's not what concerns me. what concerns me is that wild frogs are caught in the Amazon and they are subjected to a treatment to entice them to produce the venom that allows you to feel spiritual and good about your ordeal. Let me take the focus off of *you* brave soul, and lets focus not on your ordeal but that of the Kambo frog.
A frog is tied up spread eagle, suspended in mid air hanging by its full weight on its spread limbs tied straight, being repeatedly stuck deep into its nostrils and ass with a straw, they do this with all the frogs they catch and that is the stuff more and more people use for their spiritual healings. Roger that.
I want to stop the proliferation of this practice which involves tying up and torturing wild animals to the point of excreting their defense venoms, outside of indigenous circles, this primarily for the sake of the frogs. Thety don't need a market for tens of thousands of frog tortures a year to meet a global demand.
Here lies a role for pharmaceutical companies, to find the active principles which have the therapeutic effect and then using these molecules as templates for either nature identical or nature derived medicines which can be mass produced without harming any frogs, and delivered in dosages that are reliable and with a greater degree of safety than the natural product. They are peptides sequenced from a dozen or so amino acids, that shouldn't be hard to produce.
I have no problem with Indigenous healers, but it shouldnt become a worldwide market ran by unscrupulous dealers.
Go eat a mushroom people! You don't do this to frogs:
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Re: I want to talk to you about *NOT* using Kambo frog venom [Re: Asante] 2
#25069150 - 03/16/18 04:11 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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fuck that practice. They say that its not hurting the animal but IMO thats just torture just look at the way that poor frog its all tied up .
Thanks for the info Asante.
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Re: I want to talk to you about *NOT* using Kambo frog venom [Re: ADCC420] 1
#25069270 - 03/16/18 05:04 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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(s)he even cries out a few times and closes the eyelid and twists as the stick approaches to poke again. That is torture. Imagine getting "high" (well sick) on something tortured out of an animal. Its perverse, like shooting up another's tears. Interestingly there are vegans partaking in this, they have no clue.
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Re: I want to talk to you about *NOT* using Kambo frog venom [Re: Asante] 3
#25070429 - 03/17/18 08:31 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Great post, actually just watched a video on a Kambo session(yourmatetom on youtube)
The whole thing just seemed self-indulgent and out of place. A bunch of white guys with long hair and flip flops, with "psychedelic clothing" and scarves and stuff, burning sage and insense while burning themselves with venom of a tortured frog(theyre vegan too, I believe).
What is "real" about any of that? Who's culture is that? It's like playing dress up. Go have your rad little spiritual sesh, at the expense of the frog in this instance, then go back home to your self-indulgent consumption driven existence feeling like you accomplished something.
There are so many more ways for these people to achieve what they're looking for. Looting the rainforest for ayahuasca is not necessary and is not helping anyone. Messing with the natural lives of beautiful frogs and toads for kambo or 5-meo is going directly against the integration with nature that I feel is what many people actually want. It's all so misguided.
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Re: I want to talk to you about *NOT* using Kambo frog venom [Re: feevers] 2
#25070875 - 03/17/18 12:49 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Whoever feels good about themselves having an experince that is derived from torturing animals is sick minded and selfish.
I agree there are plenty of other ways for people to reach that spiritual state of mind. It makes no sense why this would be seen as acceptable.
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Re: I want to talk to you about *NOT* using Kambo frog venom [Re: feevers]
#25071763 - 03/17/18 07:13 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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feevers said: Great post, actually just watched a video on a Kambo session(yourmatetom on youtube)
The whole thing just seemed self-indulgent and out of place. A bunch of white guys with long hair and flip flops, with "psychedelic clothing" and scarves and stuff, burning sage and insense while burning themselves with venom of a tortured frog(theyre vegan too, I believe).
What is "real" about any of that? Who's culture is that? It's like playing dress up. Go have your rad little spiritual sesh, at the expense of the frog in this instance, then go back home to your self-indulgent consumption driven existence feeling like you accomplished something.
There are so many more ways for these people to achieve what they're looking for. Looting the rainforest for ayahuasca is not necessary and is not helping anyone. Messing with the natural lives of beautiful frogs and toads for kambo or 5-meo is going directly against the integration with nature that I feel is what many people actually want. It's all so misguided.
But make sure you donate to his patreon so he can sustain his livelihood and keep the channel going!
Fucking joke mate
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Re: I want to talk to you about *NOT* using Kambo frog venom [Re: NOUS333]
#25071784 - 03/17/18 07:23 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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someone should message the youtube guys who video their own sessions and inform them of this (I give them the benefit of the doubt and hope they are unaware of how it is obtained), so they can make a video and discourage others from doing this. Asante, you should do it, they probably come onto this site all the time, so they will be more inclined to believe what you tell them.
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Re: I want to talk to you about *NOT* using Kambo frog venom [Re: reincarnated]
#25071814 - 03/17/18 07:43 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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listen we came from frogs people, tadpoles are hella water, we are hella water we secrete immense amounts of DMT from a cleansed pineal gland just like the fucking frog,s, WERE FROGS EVOLVED 90001. ITS COMMON SENSE XD
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Re: I want to talk to you about *NOT* using Kambo frog venom [Re: reincarnated] 1
#25071901 - 03/17/18 08:28 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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jimgerryrig said: listen we came from frogs people, tadpoles are hella water, we are hella water we secrete immense amounts of DMT from a cleansed pineal gland just like the fucking frog,s, WERE FROGS EVOLVED 90001. ITS COMMON SENSE XD
Don’t say things that aren’t proven by science. It makes everyone look bad
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reincarnated said: someone should message the youtube guys who video their own sessions and inform them of this (I give them the benefit of the doubt and hope they are unaware of how it is obtained), so they can make a video and discourage others from doing this. Asante, you should do it, they probably come onto this site all the time, so they will be more inclined to believe what you tell them.
They must know. I barely did any research on this stuff years ago and the first thing I saw was a tied up frog. It’s impossible to research this stuff and not run into that.
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Re: I want to talk to you about *NOT* using Kambo frog venom [Re: jimgerryrig]
#25071934 - 03/17/18 08:49 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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jimgerryrig said: listen we came from frogs people, tadpoles are hella water, we are hella water we secrete immense amounts of DMT from a cleansed pineal gland just like the fucking frog,s, WERE FROGS EVOLVED 90001. ITS COMMON SENSE XD
You are a moron. You really believe you evolved from something like a frog!! If you believe in that then you ultimately believe you came from a rock. I would much rather believe in the beginning God, Not in the beginning Dirt. It takes way more faith to believe in evolution than it does the bible. If you actually look at the facts science provides clear evidence this earth is less than 6000 years old. check this out Video Link
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Re: I want to talk to you about *NOT* using Kambo frog venom [Re: shroomerite] 3
#25071991 - 03/17/18 09:25 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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shroomerite said:
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jimgerryrig said: listen we came from frogs people, tadpoles are hella water, we are hella water we secrete immense amounts of DMT from a cleansed pineal gland just like the fucking frog,s, WERE FROGS EVOLVED 90001. ITS COMMON SENSE XD
You are a moron. You really believe you evolved from something like a frog!! If you believe in that then you ultimately believe you came from a rock. I would much rather believe in the beginning God, Not in the beginning Dirt. It takes way more faith to believe in evolution than it does the bible. If you actually look at the facts science provides clear evidence this earth is less than 6000 years old. check this out Video Link
Well. Didn’t think this thread would get dumber than stating matter of factly dmt is produced in pineal gland. I was wrong. Holy shit.
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Re: I want to talk to you about *NOT* using Kambo frog venom [Re: Asante]
#25071998 - 03/17/18 09:28 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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all im sayin we aint come from no monkeys
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Re: I want to talk to you about *NOT* using Kambo frog venom [Re: jimgerryrig] 2
#25072039 - 03/17/18 09:51 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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You both need to science more.
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Asante
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Re: I want to talk to you about *NOT* using Kambo frog venom [Re: NOUS333] 3
#25073762 - 03/18/18 05:17 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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I have a theory about Kambo.
The alternative spiritual circuit has ayahuasca, where you trip and get sick, and the plentiful posers who don't dare to opt for tripping opt for getting more sick without tripping instead, so, Kambo.
Also, Kambo comes with a scar which is shown off as a badge of honor, proof of having had "the experience" (of getting violently sick) that if necessary can be faked with an incense stick.
Any ordeal will effect transformation if its done well. Thats how I see Kambo, as a form of shock therapy.
Its completely silly that now suddenly everybody "needs" to do Kambo.
I find it unethical that people strip the amazon of its Caapi vine and Psychotria leaf by the TON - harming the Jungle they claim to love - when they juast as easily can grow shrooms and get an experience of equal value and merit as ayahuasca, that is less toxic, where no puking and diarroea ensues, that doesnt make certain foods lethal - but its even more unethical that now not just the jungle is harmed by harvesting lianas and leaves but they are actually torturing frogs, injuring and traumatizing them, because they want to hop on the ethno train but are too scared to take a proper psychedelic.
It upsets me. fake spirituality as big business at the expense of the rainforest and tortured frogs in particular.
Spiritually too: If a frog is tortured so that you can get rid of your issues, is that not black magic? Is that not malevolent hedonism?
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Re: I want to talk to you about *NOT* using Kambo frog venom [Re: Asante]
#25073784 - 03/18/18 05:26 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Asante said: I have a theory about Kambo.
The alternative spiritual circuit has ayahuasca, where you trip and get sick, and the plentiful posers who don't dare to opt for tripping opt for getting more sick without tripping instead, so, Kambo.
Also, Kambo comes with a scar which is shown off as a badge of honor, proof of having had "the experience" (of getting violently sick) that if necessary can be faked with an incense stick.
Any ordeal will effect transformation if its done well. Thats how I see Kambo, as a form of shock therapy.
Its completely silly that now suddenly everybody "needs" to do Kambo.
I find it unethical that people strip the amazon of its Caapi vine and Psychotria leaf by the TON - harming the Jungle they claim to love - when they juast as easily can grow shrooms and get an experience of equal value and merit as ayahuasca, that is less toxic, where no puking and diarroea ensues, that doesnt make certain foods lethal - but its even more unethical that now not just the jungle is harmed by harvesting lianas and leaves but they are actually torturing frogs, injuring and traumatizing them, because they want to hop on the ethno train but are too scared to take a proper psychedelic.
It upsets me. fake spirituality as big business at the expense of the rainforest and tortured frogs in particular.
Spiritually too: If a frog is tortured so that you can get rid of your issues, is that not black magic? Is that not malevolent hedonism?
Idk bro. I was impressed by the yourmatetom vid when he broke down crying. Seemed he actually got something from it all by seeing that. But yeah. From my understanding he’s scared to take mushrooms anymore? Probably could of gotten the same thing from that. But. I can’t say. I’ve never done kambo and never will. That shit isn’t for me.
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Re: I want to talk to you about *NOT* using Kambo frog venom [Re: NOUS333]
#25073799 - 03/18/18 05:33 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Of course people break down crying, its shock therapy, people get a severe shock to the system, that's going to pack a wallop psychologically because of the hardships faced.
Many life changing beneficial experiences were head by electroshock therapy, or electroconvulsive therapy as it is called officially.
Maybe that will be the further extreme, after having done a dozen Kambo sessions.
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Re: I want to talk to you about *NOT* using Kambo frog venom [Re: Asante]
#25073819 - 03/18/18 05:42 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Asante said: Of course people break down crying, its shock therapy, people get a severe shock to the system, that's going to pack a wallop psychologically because of the hardships faced.
Many life changing beneficial experiences were head by electroshock therapy, or electroconvulsive therapy as it is called officially.
Maybe that will be the further extreme, after having done a dozen Kambo sessions.
Idt as many people would be drawn to that because there’s no history of shamans conducting it.
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Re: I want to talk to you about *NOT* using Kambo frog venom [Re: jimgerryrig] 1
#25073910 - 03/18/18 06:21 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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jimgerryrig said: listen we came from frogs people, tadpoles are hella water, we are hella water we secrete immense amounts of DMT from a cleansed pineal gland just like the fucking frog,s, WERE FROGS EVOLVED 90001. ITS COMMON SENSE XD
Is that supposed to be justifying this act? Like, because we 'came from frogs' its fine to torture frogs? Cuz w/ that mentality I should be able to torture all my elders to harvest the DMT from their pineal, right?
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Re: I want to talk to you about *NOT* using Kambo frog venom [Re: Rhixenomorph] 1
#25074528 - 03/18/18 11:59 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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nothing justifies torture, especially with the resources available today.
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Re: I want to talk to you about *NOT* using Kambo frog venom [Re: Asante] 1
#25077192 - 03/20/18 08:38 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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This is awful. When they poke the frogs ass you can see the stick poke all the way through the skin to the other side.
I didn't know this was becoming a fad. That frog can't even move after that and might be dead 2 days from the incident.
I bet the experience isn't all that great either.
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