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Re: Politics in the Ghetto (Los Angeles) [Re: XUL]
    #25064461 - 03/15/18 12:57 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

C'mon Xul.  Obviously Buffy didn't imply 100% of the black community feels this way.


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Re: Politics in the Ghetto (Los Angeles) [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #25064499 - 03/15/18 01:44 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Unless he states which community, I can only assume he is making blanket assumptions.

Perhaps he tallied a ghetto in California?


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Re: Politics in the Ghetto (Los Angeles) [Re: XUL] * 2
    #25064584 - 03/15/18 02:59 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

XUL, hey girl, you don't watch much black media on the internet, do you? I already stated how I formed my understanding on this.

Here's a few examples of black men and women telling it like it is about Jesse Lee Peterson.











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Re: Politics in the Ghetto (Los Angeles) [Re: Buffy]
    #25064588 - 03/15/18 03:03 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

"XUL, hey girl!"  :lol:


I saw what you did there.  :awesomenod:





Edit: Oh -- and great video clips!


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Re: Politics in the Ghetto (Los Angeles) [Re: Buffy]
    #25064630 - 03/15/18 03:42 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Right, I figured you only had just a few examples.

A few examples is not representative of the black community, nor the people JLP is working with.


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Re: Politics in the Ghetto (Los Angeles) [Re: XUL]
    #25064633 - 03/15/18 03:47 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

This is quite the interview, have you seen it XUL?



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Re: Politics in the Ghetto (Los Angeles) [Re: Buffy]
    #25064640 - 03/15/18 03:51 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

You didn't acknowledge my last post.

Could you, please?


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Re: Politics in the Ghetto (Los Angeles) [Re: XUL]
    #25064645 - 03/15/18 03:55 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Sure. So what do you think of some of their critiques? Michael Dyson's for instance. Did you happen to notice the network it's on is BET? Are you familiar with the BET and it's significance?

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Re: Politics in the Ghetto (Los Angeles) [Re: Buffy]
    #25064648 - 03/15/18 03:58 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Never mind.


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Re: Politics in the Ghetto (Los Angeles) [Re: XUL]
    #25064650 - 03/15/18 03:58 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

I'd love to hear your response to their criticms actually.

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Re: Politics in the Ghetto (Los Angeles) [Re: Buffy]
    #25064904 - 03/15/18 08:44 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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Buffy said:
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"social-economic status in life due to institutionalized racism"

Not in the year 2018, much of that economic status is due to the poor choices of their parents and the community they reside in, not racism.






I'm having a bit of trouble reading your post here. It's not quite English ... oh wait, I know what language this is, it's the language of ignorant white privilege.

For instance, you seem to be ignorant of the fact that even though black people commit crimes at roughly the same rate as white people, they are stopped, searched, arrested, tried, and convicted at disproportionately larger rates. Drug crimes for instance.

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Nowhere are racial disparities in criminal justice more evident than in drug law enforcement. In 2003, black men were nearly 12 times more likely to be sent to prison for a drug offense than white men. Yet, national household surveys show that whites and African Americans use and sell drugs at roughly the same rates. African Americans, who are 12 percent of the population and about 14 percent of drug users, make up 34 percent of those arrested for drug offenses and 45 percent of those serving time for such offenses in state prisons. Why?

In large measure, because police find drugs where they look for them. Inner-city, open-air drug markets are easier to bust than those that operate out of suburban basements, and numerous studies show that minorities are stopped by police more often than whites. For example, a Center for Constitutional Rights study found that 87 percent of the 575,000 people stopped by the police in New York City in 2009 were African American or Latino.

5. Racial disparities in incarceration reflect police and judges’ racial prejudice.

Shocking instances of racism still come to light in the justice system. But racist cops and courts are not the primary reason for racial disparities in incarceration.

Consider increased penalties for drug offenses in school zones. Though not racially motivated, these laws disproportionately affect minorities, who more often live in densely populated urban areas with many nearby schools. In New Jersey, for example, 96 percent of people incarcerated under such laws in 2005 were African American or Latino. Judges didn’t necessarily want to sentence these defendants to more prison time than those convicted outside school zones, but under the law, they had to.

Where we spend money also contributes to the problem. The Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 appropriated $9.7 billion for prisons and $13.6 billion for law enforcement, but only $6.1 billion for crime prevention. Politicians eager to be seen as tough on crime too often find ways to fund new prison cells, even though they know that minorities will predominantly fill them. This isn’t the fault of racist individuals. It’s the fault of a system that fails to take the promise of equality seriously.

The United States imprisons a larger proportion of its population than Russia or Belarus. Our incarceration rate is eight times that of France. These tragic statistics force us to ask: Would the American public accept these rates if incarceration were distributed more equally across race and class?




https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/five-myths-about-incarceration/2011/06/13/AGfIWvYH_story.html?utm_term=.5fa6765e36bf


How about the death penalty? You know that's mostly for poor black and brown men, not rich white people, right? Of course you don't know that, you're ignorant.


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In states across the country, African Americans are disproportionately represented on death row and among those who have been executed.  Black people make up 13 percent of the population, but they make up 42 percent of death row and 35 percent of those executed.   In addition, many studies have found the race of the victim to affect who receives the death penalty, with homicides of white victims more likely to result in the death penalty.[ii]

Federal death row is no different.  There are 63 people on federal death row, and 37 are people of color.  Twenty-seven of these individuals are black.[iii]  Several reviews of the federal death penalty have found troubling racial disparities in charging, plea bargaining, sentencing, and executions.[iv]  For example, a review conducted by the United States Department of Justice found that 48 percent of White defendants were able to receive a sentence less than death through plea bargaining.  Yet, only 25 percent of Black defendants and 28 percent of Hispanic defendants were able to plead guilty in exchange for life sentences.




http://www.naacp.org/latest/naacp-death-penalty-fact-sheet/


Police shootings are no exception. If you are a black person, especially a black man, you are much more likely to be shot by a police officer than a white person.


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Black men are nearly three times as likely to be killed by legal intervention than white men, according to the study, which was published in the American Journal of Public Health on Tuesday. American Indians or Alaska Natives also are nearly three times as likely and Hispanic men are nearly twice as likely, the study suggests.

"It affirms that this disparity exists," said Dr. James Buehler, clinical professor of health management and policy at Drexel University in Philadelphia, who authored the study.
"My study is a reminder that there are, indeed, substantial disparities in the rates of legal intervention deaths, and that ongoing attention to the underlying reasons for this disparity is warranted,"




https://www.cnn.com/2016/12/20/health/black-men-killed-by-police/index.html


What's more, is that in studies where pictures of black men and white men are shown who are the same height and weight, black men are usually perceived to be taller, heavier, stronger, and this holds true even if the person participating in the study is black.


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“Unarmed black men are disproportionately more likely to be shot and killed by police, and often these killings are accompanied by explanations that cite the physical size of the person shot,” said lead author John Paul Wilson, PhD, of Montclair State University. “Our research suggests that these descriptions may reflect stereotypes of black males that do not seem to comport with reality.”

Wilson and his colleagues conducted a series of experiments involving more than 950 online participants (all from the United States) in which people were shown a series of color photographs of white and black male faces of individuals who were all of equal height and weight. The participants were then asked to estimate the height, weight, strength and overall muscularity of the men pictured.

“We found that these estimates were consistently biased. Participants judged the black men to be larger, stronger and more muscular than the white men, even though they were actually the same size,” said Wilson. “Participants also believed that the black men were more capable of causing harm in a hypothetical altercation and, troublingly, that police would be more justified in using force to subdue them, even if the men were unarmed.”

Even black participants displayed this bias, according to Wilson, but while they judged young black men to be more muscular than the young white men, they did not judge them to be more harmful or deserving of force.

In one experiment, where participants were shown identically sized bodies labeled either black or white, they were more likely to describe the black bodies as taller and heavier. In another, the size bias was most pronounced for the men whose facial features looked the most stereotypically black.

“We found that men with darker skin and more stereotypically black facial features tended to be most likely to elicit biased size perceptions, even though they were actually no larger than men with lighter skin and less stereotypical facial features,” said Wilson. “Thus, the size bias doesn’t rely just on a white versus black group boundary. It also varies within black men according to their facial features.”




https://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/2017/03/black-men-threatening.aspx


The fact of the matter is, even today in 2018, black lives are not valued in society. Black people are disproportionately stopped by police, searched, charged, convicted, shot, and given the death penalty. And this is just consideration of the criminal justice system. It holds true for employment as well.

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on average, “white applicants receive 36% more callbacks than equally qualified African Americans” while “[w]hite applicants receive on average 24% more callbacks than Latinos.”




https://www.vox.com/identities/2017/9/18/16307782/study-racism-jobs


To say that institutionalized racism does not exist in 2018 is to be wholly immersed in the fantasy that is ignorant white privilege.




"you seem to be ignorant of the fact that black people commit crimes at roughly the same rate as white people"

Source?    You do realize you seem to very ignorant about this fact?

"Drug crimes for instance"

This is what happens when you deal drugs in public view in high crimes areas. I never bought illegal drugs in plain view, that's a common practice in the black community. For law enforcement, it's like shooting fish in a barrel.

As far as the job callback study, it's been discussed here at length and the study is flawed, do you fall for every race baiting talking point, you're so highly predictable.  Do you have anything original?

Black men are shot by the police at a higher rate than whites, how surprising!!  It has nothing to do with that demographic committing a massive disproportional amount of violent crime, the discrepancy must be racism.  :lol:

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    #25066700 - 03/15/18 08:08 PM (6 years, 1 month ago)

Ok so you're just engaged in willfull ignorant white privilege. How surprising that there's a discrepency between your world view and the facts. That discrepency must be racism.

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Re: Politics in the Ghetto (Los Angeles) [Re: Buffy]
    #25068314 - 03/16/18 09:56 AM (6 years, 1 month ago)

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Buffy said:
Ok so you're just engaged in willfull ignorant white privilege. How surprising that there's a discrepency between your world view and the facts. That discrepency must be racism.




So unequal outcomes is "must be racism"? 

"the facts"

Are unequal outcomes and nothing else.

Where is your outrage over unequal outcomes for age, sex, physical appearance and wealth?  Or is race just the cool thing to bitch about today?

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