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curious Registered: 08/03/07 Posts: 13,864 |
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Quote: What do you mean "not quite as dirty as butane"?...I don't get the comparison to butane? One's a drug, one's a flammable gas. Nitrous is a pretty clean/safe drug if used in moderation. But yea...Nitrous by itself is pretty bland and nothing special at all in my experience, so much so that I pretty much never buy or inhale the stuff unless I'm on a psychedelic or MDMA...But it's so magnificent in combination with a psychedelic and/or MDMA, that I pretty much always have a small box of chargers on hand when I trip or roll. Nitrous oxide has been a staple of mine for when I trip for years now..... .....It's one combination that I highly suggest people try at least once. Most of my "peak" experiences in my travels with psychedelics have been catalyzed by a mere inhalation or two of nitrous oxide. Shit gets wild .-OM .
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curious Registered: 08/03/07 Posts: 13,864 |
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Quote: Psssh ![]() If you inhale it while on a psychedelic or MDMA, it is most certainly worth giving it a try ! I've had experiences from such that were on par with some of my DMT experiences . It's incredibly euphoric and things can get really far out & deep when it's inhaled while one is already tripping or rolling.But just sitting around and inhaling nitrous oxide by itself, while one is sober or not on any psychedelic, it is rather bland and boring and nothing special or interesting in my experience with it...Nitrous by itself is a bit euphoric and dissociating but not much beyond that IME....I have absolutely zero interest in nitrous oxide unless I'm on a psychedelic or MDMA or MDA. If someone wants to get nitrous oxide just to try it by itself while not on anything else, just to sit around inhaling nitrous, I don't really encourage or suggest that...but if one wants to get some nitrous to inhale during their trip or roll, I do highly suggest that .-OM .
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curious Registered: 08/03/07 Posts: 13,864 |
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Quote: From my experience/opinion, it's rather boring and nothing special at all with weed and/or alcohol ....it's not much different inhaling it while stoned or buzzed, it doesn't have any particular synergy with weed or alcohol .....but inhaling it while on psychedelics and/or MDMA, it has some wonderful synergy, the epitome of synergy IMO (it's one of those things where 1+1 = 13). There is a HUGE difference between what it does while one is just sober/stoned/buzzed, and what it does while one is tripping or rolling. Like I've said, it's so boring/bland by itself that I have no interest in nitrous when I'm not tripping or rolling, but anytime I trip or roll I pretty much always have some on hand because it's incredible with psychedelics and/or MDMA. Some people love nitrous though, even just doing it by itself, some people get really out of control with it...Some folks will sit around and inhale the stuff until they're supply is gone, sucking down balloon after balloon after balloon...which is just a big waste IMO, and that's a bit abusive and not really "keeping things in moderation" lol. I like to use nitrous oxide like a whip cream topping on top of my psychedelic sundae....Having a few balloons at a few points through out my trips. -OM .
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curious Registered: 08/03/07 Posts: 13,864 |
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Quote: Same here for the most part. I don't sit around and do them through out the entire trip, but they have definitely become a part of my trips...Nitrous is a staple of my trips just as much as cannabis/hash is. During any typical night of tripping at home I'll get a single small box of 24 chargers and I almost always have 4 to 6 chargers left over, I usually don't even go through an entire 24 in one trip...and I've only had 2 trips ever (LSD, much longer) where I went through almost an entire 50. At 3 or 4 day long festivals, 50 to 75 is plenty for me for the entire weekend. I totally hear ya about them being good for a quick "re-set", or like an "escape pod" if the trip or one's thoughts/feels starts to go in an uncomfortable/intense/weird direction..... ...I too have heard someone else around here use that term "escape pod" before, I forget who it was. The nitrous will make things more intense and throw one out really far, but it typically has a strong anxiolytic/anxiety dissolving and euphoric aspect to it. So there's that aspect, and like you said, "blast one into infinity", there's usually a quick and strong dissociation so when one comes back down from the nitrous it's like a "re-set". That's not to say things can't go the other way though lol . But yea....nitrous oxide + psychedelics is no joke. I already said it, but I can't get over the synergy it has with psychedelics, how well it pairs with and enhances, it totally feels like it was just "meant to be" inhaled while tripping lol....I know quite a few heads know about it, it's a classic combination for sure, but lots of people still don't know about the potential this stuff has when combined with psychedelics (or mdma). It's a mind blower, that's for sure . And as long as it's kept in moderation, and as long as the cleanest bands of chargers are used (cheap brands can have some oil residue), it's a relatively benign and safe drug with a long history of human use....It's always ridiculous and far out when I inhale it while tripping, every balloon is awesome and interesting lol...but for me, every once in a while, like every 1 out of 15 balloons that I do, every once in a while one of them throws me out there suuuuper far and some absolutely bizarre/ineffable shit goes down ...shattering reality and/or out of body....Things can get suuuuper strange....Some really profound & deep stuff, most of which can't be taken back or is lost instantly upon coming back down but always provides some food for thought. I've had a few "life changing" moments after just a couple lung fulls/inhalations of the stuff.I'm curious to hear about any particular experiences you've had with nitrous + psychedelics...or any common themes you experience? -OM .
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curious Registered: 08/03/07 Posts: 13,864 |
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Quote: I agree with you that it should not be "huffed" or hyperventilated by breathing in and out of the balloon repeatedly...It's best to keep some fresh air in the mix, simply holding it in one's lungs and keeping some fresh air in the mix works. This is how I go about inhaling nitrous.... -Before inhaling the nitrous, I take a few slow & deep inhales/exhales of fresh air. -I exhale my lungs completely, inhale a small amount of fresh air and then begin to slowly inhale nitrous off the balloon or dispenser. -When my lungs are almost full of nitrous I stop inhaling off the balloon/dispenser and take a sharp inhale of fresh air to get a little bit more oxygen into the mix and to pull it all down deep into my lungs. -I hold this in (not necessarily as long as I can, not sure how long, at least 10 seconds, maybe as much as 15). -I then exhale a small amount, maybe 1/4 of my lung capacity, then inhale some fresh air and sort of do a shallow inhale/exhale cycle a few times to move around what's left in my lungs. -Then I exhale completely, I take one full inhale/exhale of fresh air, then I repeat the cycle and take another lung full of nitrous (with a little bit of fresh air mixed in). But yea....I'm not familiar with any of those shows and don't really watch TV in general. And I don't find nitrous interesting enough by itself to just sit around and inhaling it for the duration of a TV show. So that's not my preferred way of using nitrous, but I can see why someone might want to do this as a way to spend their "relatively quiet evening at home". Nitrous oxide depletes vitamin b12, and it can lead to nerve issues....but this isn't an issue or concern if the stuff is used only occasionally and in moderation. Doing 70 chargers twice or once a week, that's not a ton, shit some folks will suck down 10+ pound tanks of the stuff lol, but that's still somewhat high use IMO. Quote: Uh no....That's totally false and some rather dangerous false information to be spreading! For the most part, nitrous oxide isn't even metabolized by the body, most of it passes back out the lungs totally unchanged. Less than 0.01% is metabolized before it's excreted from the body. It dissolves into the blood and then it's excreted back out by respiration/the lungs. Nitrous oxide absolutely DOES NOT release oxygen into the blood stream when it's "metabolized" by the body...Just because there is oxygen in the molecule of nitrous oxide doesn't mean your body is able to break that bond and make use of the oxygen. It does not provide any oxygen in anyway. Someone can suffocate themselves if they go thinking they don't need to breathe air because the nitrous oxide will provide oxygen. ....So if you find yourself holding your breathe for an unusually long period of time with a lung full of gas, you are totally starving your brain of oxygen. That's not the brightest thing to be doing, it's ideal to keep a little bit of fresh air in the mix. Nitrous oxide isn't inherently dangerous or detrimental, but holding your breath and starving your brain of oxygen can be. -OM . Edited by openmind (03/16/18 07:55 PM)
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curious Registered: 08/03/07 Posts: 13,864 |
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Quote: So....should I just not breathe any air at all?... I don't think you're understanding/following my explanation of how I go about it, because I'm not really taking a bunch of little breahthes in between...I'm taking a lung full of about 80% nitrous oxide and 20% air, and taking a single breathe of fresh air in between lung fulls of nitrous. Having a little bit of air in the mix is ideal, I'm not trying to suffocate myself/pass out. Quote: Well your grasp and understanding about what nitrous oxide does once in the body is pretty far off .I know you never said it could be a substitute for air, but stating that it releases oxygen into the body when it's inhaled is some dangerous false information to be spreading. Other folks reading this thread can construe "It releases oxygen into the body" in all sorts of ways. Nitrous oxide absolutely DOES NOT release ANY oxygen once in the body. None at all. For that to happen the body would have to metabolize nitrous oxide, and more than 99% of the amount inhaled leaves the body via the lungs unchanged. Where are you getting your information that nitrous oxide breaks down into and releases some oxygen into the body? Where did you come up with this idea? Can you explain the process of how his happens in a very basic way? ...Or can you give me a link showing how nitrous oxide is metabolized and releases oxygen? Because if you look into it, you'll see this isn't true at all. Quote: Again...Please explain the process, in a simple/basic way, of how nitrous oxide releases oxygen into the body...Or can you just give me a link showing how nitrous oxide is metabolized and releases oxygen into the body? Quote: I don't....I'm not even a cigarette smoker. How did you even come to the idea/conclusion that I'm a chain smoker and have damaged lungs ?Just because a molecule of nitrous oxide has oxygen in it, that doesn't mean the lungs are absorbing any oxygen and that doesn't mean any of that oxygen is released into the body. Learn some basic chemistry & pharmacology, because your logic is totally off on this. Carbon dioxide has oxygen "in it", go inhale a big lung full of that can see how much oxygen gets released into your system .I'm so adamant about mixing oxygen in with my nitrous oxide because when I inhale the gas I'm not trying to suffocate myself, holding a big lung full of nitrous oxide and not breathing will make one's lips blue and ultimately lead to depriving the brain of oxygen and potentially passing out...the goal is not to pass out. When nitrous oxide is administered in dentists/hospitals, why do you think they mix the nitrous oxide gas with oxygen gas? And again, I don't think you're actually understanding/following my description of how I go about inhaling the stuff...because I'm not mixing in or breathing in all that much air or diluting the nitrous all that much at all, just enough to keep me from passing out, enough to keep some fresh air circulating through my system and expel carbon dioxide. -OM . Edited by openmind (03/18/18 05:33 PM)
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curious Registered: 08/03/07 Posts: 13,864 |
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Quote: Breathing in and out of the balloon will also build up a bunch of carbon dioxide in the balloon and also ultimately leads to oxygen deprivation. I see more blue lips from folks that huff their nitrous than from people that take big lung fulls mixed with a bit of air. ....To each their own....But I, and everyone else I know that used nitrous with their psychedelic, doesn't huff it by breathing in and out of a balloon. I used to do this way back in the day the first handful of times I did nitrous...but then I realized it works just fine by breathing it in and holding it in, and this way keeps my oxygen levels up and carbon dioxide levels down...and it lasts waaaay longer for me by breathing it in and holding it in versus huffing it. The only time I see people huffing their nitrous, it's usually the younger/newb crowd that just hasn't realized yet. -OM .
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curious Registered: 08/03/07 Posts: 13,864 |
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Quote: It goes well with mescaline too ....It has synergy and pairs with all the classics pretty damn well IME/IMO, LSD, mushrooms, & mescaline.....and MDMA and MDA.I find it to have a particular synergy with LSD specifically....not to say it's no less spectacular with the others, but it meshes with LSD quite well. The times I've inhaled it along with a hit of DMT or during the after glow of smoked DMT, though, I didn't like it at all. It just seemed to muddle up and wash out some of the DMT doing it's thing.....However, there has been several times where I've used nitrous to settle some pre-launch jitters. Where I get the DMT already loaded up in the pipe and have it sitting next to me, I take a balloon of nitrous and then when the nitrous has just about worn off I'll start hitting the DMT. -OM .
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curious Registered: 08/03/07 Posts: 13,864 |
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Quote: Dude... I'm being pretty straight forward and serious, not at all trolling. I have no reason to troll and my post would be a lame/vague way of trying to troll someone. You're claiming that nitrous oxide releases oxygen into the body, I explained that it doesn't.... ...You can't explain your claim or back it up so you're just calling me a troll....and making a super random "insult" about me having poor lung capacity (what are you even basing that off of?) . You can admit you misunderstood what nitrous oxide does once it's in the body, or explain & show me that what you're claiming is actually true....but you can't manage to do either of those so you just call me a troll instead. Grow up dude. -OM .
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curious Registered: 08/03/07 Posts: 13,864 |
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Quote: You copy and pasted a random part of the wiki page that explains nothing about the metabolism of nitrous oxide, or how nitrous oxide releases oxygen once it is in the body. All I wanted to see was a basic explanation of how nitrous oxide is metabolized and/or how some of the oxygen ends up in the blood stream (that's what you're claiming). So you're basing this whole idea off the fact that you can hold your breathe for slightly longer with a lung full of nitrous?...Sure there's some logic in that lol...Even if you can though, and I'm not doubting you at all, that doesn't mean oxygen is being released from the nitrous oxide. There is't any.If that's what happens when nitrous oxide is inhaled, if that's how nitrous oxide is metabolized then that information would be simple to find online, since nitrous oxide is a super common drug that's used in dentistry/medicine.... ....but what does one find when they search about the metabolism of nitrous oxide? I don't know if you saw, but I already posted it in one of my previous posts, here---->>>> Quote: Quote: I never once said there isn't any oxygen in nitrous oxide. There is an atom of oxygen within the MOLECULE of nitrous oxide....Nitrous oxide isn't a blend of two gases so there's no "oxygen" freely about in nitrous oxide....it's a molecule....The oxygen is bonded to the nitrogen, this oxygen doesn't just magically break off from the nitrogen and go into the blood stream once it is inhaled and in the body. But yea, what I am definitely saying (repeating myself) is that nitrous oxide isn't metabolized within the body much at all for the most part...and the teeny tiny minuscule portion of nitrous oxide that is metabolized, 0.004%, isn't releasing any oxygen into the blood stream (I think a teeny tiny portion of the oxygen goes into oxidizing vitamin B-12 within the body and the oxygen becomes attached to the B-12, then that oxidized B-12 is basically pissed out of the body, I'll admit my understanding of that specific aspect could be a bit off).... .....but for the final time, no oxygen is released into the blood stream from inhaled nitrous oxide. -OM .
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curious Registered: 08/03/07 Posts: 13,864 |
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Quote: That's exactly what I said...Nitrous oxide isn't metabolized much at all, for the most part it is not metabolized. 0.004% of the total administered nitrous oxide gets metabolized....So yea with a number like that, what I'd say is..."For the most part, nitrous oxide isn't really being metabolized much at all" Quote: The 0.004% that is metabolized/broken down within the body, it doesn't happen in the blood stream/liver. It appears to happen within the intestines, it's a reaction that happens by intestinal bacteria. And NO, it is not releasing any oxygen into the bloodstream. >>>>>>>> "...Animal studies indicated that nitrous-oxide was not apparently metabolized by either liver microsomes or liver homogenates. Even so, nitrous-oxide was metabolized through a reductive pathway by anaerobic bacteria from the human intestine. Nitrous-oxide also appeared to be an intermediate in the reduction of nitrite to nitrogen by bacteria. Incubations of nitrite and nitric-oxide molecules with bacteria produced nitrogen gas that contained a nitrogen atom from both nitrite and nitric-oxide molecules...." https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/niosht <<<<<<<<<<<< Quote: I don't at all consider myself an expert. I feel that I do have a basic understanding of how these things work though, and I do some simple research to learn about the aspects that I don't/fill in the gaps....I think I get the gist of it. But the nitrous oxide is oxidizing the B-12 . The nitrous oxide oxidizes the cobalt in vitamin B-12 (cyanocobalamin ) , and this basically makes the B-12 unusable, it can't function as it normally does.".....N2O can oxidize vitamin B12 and inhibit its coenzyme function. For example, this could affect the activity of methionine synthase, which catalyzes the transmethylation from methyltetrahydrofolate and homocysteine to produce tetrahydrofolate and methionine. Inhibition of methionine synthase has the potential to lead to decreased levels of tetrahydrofolate and methionine and subsequent impairment of DNA synthesis and “carbon 1” metabolic reactions, including methylation. However, such an effect on the activity of vitamin B12 would probably be inconsequential with the short courses of exposure to N2O during anesthesia....." https://anesthesiageneral.com/ni This is actually one of the very few "risks" or "dangers" involved with nitrous oxide, the depletion of vitamin B-12. Nitrous oxide can basically deactivate vitamin B-12/block the absorption of it which leads to a whole bunch of issues like peripheral neuropathy/nerve issues . For most folks, this isn't a concern with occasional use of light/moderate amounts of nitrous oxide. (Personally, I've done 24 to 50 chargers about once every 2 or 3 months for the past 7 years or so and I haven't encountered any signs of such issues.). But!...Another crucial thing...Some people do have a genetic mutation thing going on where they are very susceptible to vitamin B-12 depletion from nitrous oxide and the issue that come from such. Basically their genetics impair their body's ability to use B-12, and even if they supplement with B-12 their body doesn't metabolize/make use of the B-12 all that well. So for these people, apparently, nitrous oxide, even in small amounts, should totally be avoided. There's been a person or two on the shroomery that's spoken about this from direct personal experience....but again, it's not an issue for most people and this isn't and issue with occasional light/moderate use. ...not trolling. -OM .
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curious Registered: 08/03/07 Posts: 13,864 |
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Quote: Alright...well if I'm wrong. Then prove me wrong . Explain/teach me how nitrous works on the most basic level. And I'm still waiting for you to explain how nitrous oxide releases oxygen into the blood stream. You know I'm not trolling,.....Can you prove or back up anything that you've said? Or even give the most basic explanation?...No, you can't. I never posted anything from wiki, everything I posted was from legit sources....YOU'RE actually the one that copy and posted a random piece of the wiki page for nitrous , which was random as fuck because it didn't even relate to or back up anything you were saying. Quote: Yea it is unusable...How is the body making use of the oxygen? Explain to me how oxygen or the oxidized B-12 is being used by the body...?....I'll wait. All you're doing is trying to pick apart every little thing I say with out even backing up your ignorant claims. You haven't made any attempt to explain your claims (Besides your logic of, "I can hold my breathe longer with nitrous, so it releases oxygen into the blood stream")...If that's how it worked, that information would be super simple to find, please show me!!!! I'll wait! You're wrong. You know it. So you resort to calling me a troll. You say I'm wrong, but you can't manage to prove me wrong or back up anything you've said. You haven't proven me wrong at all, so ....I'll wait..... ![]() -OM .
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curious Registered: 08/03/07 Posts: 13,864 |
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Quote: ![]() By the way....You're probably going to get called a "troll" by the OP because you posted some information that goes against what they're saying and they can't prove it wrong .Quote: Nitrous oxide is nitrous oxide ....with that said, though, if one is buying individual chargers instead of a tank, the cheap brands of chargers do tend to have some oil residue in them which isn't good to be inhaling (this comes from the process/machines that fill the chargers). Most of the European brands of chargers don't have the residue and they are actually filled with "medical" nitrous.Quote: Maybe your body/mind has that sort of negative reaction to it because you "hyperventilated way way way too many tanks when you were younger" ... ....I've heard of folks having a negative reaction to any sort of drug/thing they used to abuse/do a lot of, it's pretty common actually. Nitrous oxide isn't all that harmful with occasional use in moderation...it's a pretty benign drug....Hyperventilating/huffing I hear ya though....To each their own ...I know some folks just don't dig the stuff . If you used to suck down tanks of the stuff then it sounds like you used to enjoy it lol , and maybe that's why it has such a negative effect for you now.....I don't enjoy it by itself at all, I think it's incredibly boring and lackluster unless I'm on a psychedelic. But a few balloons of nitrous have been apart of basically all of my trips over the past 7+ years , I feel it has the epitome of synergy with the classic psychedelics. ....and I don't know what you qualify as natural...but there are MASSIVE "clouds" of nitrous oxide in space . The gas we buy is of course made by man, but nitrous oxide is indeed "naturally occurring", there are massive clouds of it through out space...and there are small amounts of it within our atmosphere.-OM .
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! I've had experiences from such that were on par with some of my DMT experiences . It's incredibly euphoric and things can get really far out & deep when it's inhaled while one is already tripping or rolling.
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