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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26412519 - 01/02/20 01:21 PM (6 months, 8 days ago)

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you convinced Balls to support you in a thunderdome style argument against Enlil
but you were wrong about NATO exercises being held in "close" proximity in Russia

and you attempted to tell me as a result of your position that it would have been logistically sound for a bunch of European NATO allies to send soldiers and equipment across the pond to Canada instead

so, yeah, your inaccuracy and attempts to portray Russia in a particular light at times has built up enough skepticism for me to look into other sides of issues



For those who don't remember that discussion, I argued that Russia was correct to consider NATO exercises being held in Norway (a country that shares a border with Russia) "near" Russia, since the US argues that Russia being anywhere in the Western hemisphere is near enough to be a threat (see the discussion here and here).

Do you not see the double standard?
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That is a fair point, but it does not negate the falseness of the statement that the article was founded upon

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while you have been painting it as coup that overthrew popular Ukrainian leadership



It was clearly a coup.  I've shown this evidence of high level US politicians like John McCain and Victoria Nuland rallying people in Kiev against Yanukovych, I've discussed Victoria Nuland’s intercepted phone call and Obama’s admission to name just a few of the many sources of evidence.
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Yeah, and personally recognize the Ukraine citizens involvement and satisfaction with the outcome to be more convincing evidence
tho this is after seeing you espouse your position for ages, and only recently looking into the counter-propaganda narrative

it is like you said -- Ukraine citizens elected a president who did not support Russia, then Ukraine citizens got upset when he changed to a position that did support Russia
and the country was thrown into upheaval until the citizens were satisfied


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: koods]
    #26412521 - 01/02/20 01:23 PM (6 months, 8 days ago)

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His home and office were overtaken by protesters.




Oh no he had to abandon his estate and private zoo. Come on dude. The guy was the epitome of post soviet corruption. He was ripping off the people of Ukraine and they finally got fed up. It’s funny how you don’t give a shit about wholesale corruption when it doesn’t fit your narrative.



It's funny how you don't give a shit that I already agreed with that:  "I'll absolutely agree with you here.  All Ukrainian politicians appeared to be extremely corrupt, until (maybe?) Zelensky."

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Description of his estate:

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The estate is over 140 ha (350 acres) and is situated on the banks of the Dnieper river (Kiev Reservoir)[8] in the village of Novi Petrivtsi, Vyshhorod Raion.[9][10][11] There is a yacht pier, an equestrian club, a shooting range, a tennis court and other recreational facilities[12] as well as hunting grounds.[13] The estate also has an automobile museum displaying some of Yanukovich's former exotic cars, a golf course, an ostrich farm, a dog kennel, numerous fountains and man-made lakes, a helicopter pad, and a small church. The entire complex is enclosed by a five-meter tall fence along the perimeter.[14]






Would you me to provide some examples of other world leader estates?  :facepalm:


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: koods]
    #26412523 - 01/02/20 01:24 PM (6 months, 8 days ago)

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That's actually a fair point, but it doesn't negate the fact that there was a US supported transition of power that didn't follow Ukraine's constitutional impeachment process.




Pretty sure the annexation of Ukrainian territory by Russia wasn’t in the constitution either. You’re fine with that.


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: koods]
    #26412527 - 01/02/20 01:26 PM (6 months, 8 days ago)

Dude, why do people never mention the golden statues?
He had a 24K gold bottle of vodka, golden bust and even a gold loaf of bread (can’t make that shit up).




When asked about the zoo, he said “I love animals. So if I find a deer or mountain lion, I kept it. Soon, I had a whole collection.” Fucking lions and flamingos wandering around a Ukrainian forest🤣
But hey, maybe he was setting up a safari for when putin comes over, all bare chested on his horse.


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26412530 - 01/02/20 01:28 PM (6 months, 8 days ago)

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His home and office were overtaken by protesters.




Oh no he had to abandon his estate and private zoo. Come on dude. The guy was the epitome of post soviet corruption. He was ripping off the people of Ukraine and they finally got fed up. It’s funny how you don’t give a shit about wholesale corruption when it doesn’t fit your narrative.



It's funny how you don't give a shit that I already agreed with that:  "I'll absolutely agree with you here.  All Ukrainian politicians appeared to be extremely corrupt, until (maybe?) Zelensky."

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Description of his estate:

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The estate is over 140 ha (350 acres) and is situated on the banks of the Dnieper river (Kiev Reservoir)[8] in the village of Novi Petrivtsi, Vyshhorod Raion.[9][10][11] There is a yacht pier, an equestrian club, a shooting range, a tennis court and other recreational facilities[12] as well as hunting grounds.[13] The estate also has an automobile museum displaying some of Yanukovich's former exotic cars, a golf course, an ostrich farm, a dog kennel, numerous fountains and man-made lakes, a helicopter pad, and a small church. The entire complex is enclosed by a five-meter tall fence along the perimeter.[14]






Would you me to provide some examples of other world leader estates?  :facepalm:



Whataboutism at its worst. Do you have any principles?


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: koods]
    #26412531 - 01/02/20 01:29 PM (6 months, 8 days ago)

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2000 abandoned animals face starvation in Yanukovych's zoo



"Abandoned"?!?  You mean chased out.

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Pretty sure the annexation of Ukrainian territory by Russia wasn’t in the constitution either. You’re fine with that.



As I've told you many times, the unconstitutional vote to leave Ukraine was AFTER the unconstitutional coup.


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26412534 - 01/02/20 01:31 PM (6 months, 8 days ago)

So you’re ok with unconstitutional actions


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26412539 - 01/02/20 01:33 PM (6 months, 8 days ago)

After ya Yanuk ran, activists stormed his estate. A week later it opened as the Museum of Corruption” where every Ukrainian can come see their tax dollars. The house was intact, the zoo was still there, and so was the 1KG golden loaf of bread.

Sounds like he got chased out by “hoodlums” huh? Scoundrels, I say!


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26412540 - 01/02/20 01:33 PM (6 months, 8 days ago)

I realize it’s hard to thread this needle trying to sound consistent while still vigorously promoting the Russian narrative. Just wanted to tell you you’re doing a terrible job at it.


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: koods]
    #26412544 - 01/02/20 01:35 PM (6 months, 8 days ago)

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So you’re ok with unconstitutional actions



Once a country decides its constitution doesn't matter, then there really isn't such a thing anymore.


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26412553 - 01/02/20 01:38 PM (6 months, 8 days ago)

Omg his arguments are getting sooo paper-thin. You guys about to start debating the philosophical concept of a nation and how it’s opinions/decisions are gauged.


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26412557 - 01/02/20 01:40 PM (6 months, 8 days ago)

Falcon always fighting the good fight for the worst people on earth


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: feldman114]
    #26412562 - 01/02/20 01:43 PM (6 months, 8 days ago)

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After ya Yanuk ran, activists stormed his estate. A week later it opened as the Museum of Corruption” where every Ukrainian can come see their tax dollars. The house was intact, the zoo was still there, and so was the 1KG golden loaf of bread.

Sounds like he got chased out by “hoodlums” huh? Scoundrels, I say!




My god he didn’t even have time to take the golden bread with him. There’s no justice in this world .


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: koods]
    #26412828 - 01/02/20 03:52 PM (6 months, 8 days ago)

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I realize it’s hard to thread this needle trying to sound consistent while still vigorously promoting the Russian narrative. Just wanted to tell you you’re doing a terrible job at it.



Where is the inconsistency?  If you decide your constitution doesn't matter, you don't get to decide it matters for some things but not others.  THAT'S inconsistency.


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26413284 - 01/02/20 09:08 PM (6 months, 7 days ago)

This conversation is so far over my head... Neil Armstrong would be jealous.

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