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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #25063612 - 03/14/18 06:05 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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The only "assistance" being requested is to answer if it was Russia or Russia.


Nothing in your linked article supports this assertion.  Do you have a better source?


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Enlil]
    #25063617 - 03/14/18 06:08 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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I wonder how long we have before a serious nuclear war



Yeah, these facetious ones have been so lame.



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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Enlil]
    #25063628 - 03/14/18 06:14 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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The only "assistance" being requested is to answer if it was Russia or Russia.



Nothing in your linked article supports this assertion.  Do you have a better source?



The video in my linked article supports that assertion in the first 20 seconds.


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #25063656 - 03/14/18 06:25 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Nope.  Nothing in there said anything about answering whether it was Russia or Russia.  Anything else?  Or did you make that up?


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #25063702 - 03/14/18 06:45 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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If the Russians don’t like their govt assasinating people and destabilizing the world I’m sure they can vote  for one of the many choices they have in the upcoming election and put a stop to it ,  it’s a free country right?






fal said :

Very true, it is a free country now.  And yes, they do have a large number of choices.

And unlike America, where a candidate can win with only 10% of the votes (if a lot of people are running), Russia requires a candidate to get 50% of the vote or there will be a follow up round of voting




  Putin and his state run media basically do the exact same thing to all those other candidates that the DNC and Hillary did to Bernie . 
Does Putin even bother to debate the other candidates ? Does the kremlin allow  it?
  Really gotta wonder how you can hate on the dnc and then admire the empty spectical that is the Russian election . Thats fucking weird .


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Psilynut2] * 1
    #25063716 - 03/14/18 06:52 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

It's possible fal doesn't really believe his shit, but he's aware of the fate of Russia agents that citicize Putin.


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Psilynut2]
    #25063745 - 03/14/18 07:06 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

The video talks about an "ultimatum":

"The UK says a Soviet developed toxin was used to poison a former Russian spy on British soil and has demanded an explanation from the Kremlin.  But Moscow said on Tuesday that it's going to ignore that ultimatum, that is, until the UK hands over samples of the alleged nerve agent used in the attempted murder of Sergei Skripal and his daughter Julia, something Moscow says is an obligation under the Chemical Weapons Convention.  'Before issuing ultimatums to report before the British Government within 24 hours, it's better to follow your own obligations in accordance with international law, in this case with the Chemical Weapons Convention'."

The only ultimatum I'm aware of is the one Theresa May talked about:
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May says either Russia ordered the attack, or it has lost control of its stock of the nerve agent involved.

She says Boris Johnson, the foreign secretary, summoned the Russian ambassador to the Foreign Office today. He said Russia must explain which of the two possible explanations is the correct one. And it must reply by the end of tomorrow, she says.



Are you aware of any other ultimatums?  :shrug:


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Psilynut2]
    #25063750 - 03/14/18 07:10 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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it is a free country now.  And yes, they do have a large number of choices.

And unlike America, where a candidate can win with only 10% of the votes (if a lot of people are running), Russia requires a candidate to get 50% of the vote or there will be a follow up round of voting



  Putin and his state run media basically do the exact same thing to all those other candidates that the DNC and Hillary did to Bernie . 



The state run media is only one of hundreds of channels Russians can watch.  They can watch criticism of Putin on CNN, Fox, etc in Russian.

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Does Putin even bother to debate the other candidates ? Does the kremlin allow  it?
  Really gotta wonder how you can hate on the dnc and then admire the empty spectical that is the Russian election . Thats fucking weird .



Of course it's allowed.  :facepalm:  Putin chooses not to debate, just as any candidate in the US can opt out of the debates.


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: koods]
    #25063760 - 03/14/18 07:14 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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It's possible fal doesn't really believe his shit, but he's aware of the fate of Russia agents that citicize Putin.



As I've told you before, "You should be pleased to learn the shroomery is Putin's #1 target for getting his message out."
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #25063771 - 03/14/18 07:19 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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The video talks about an "ultimatum":

"The UK says a Soviet developed toxin was used to poison a former Russian spy on British soil and has demanded an explanation from the Kremlin.  But Moscow said on Tuesday that it's going to ignore that ultimatum, that is, until the UK hands over samples of the alleged nerve agent used in the attempted murder of Sergei Skripal and his daughter Julia, something Moscow says is an obligation under the Chemical Weapons Convention.  'Before issuing ultimatums to report before the British Government within 24 hours, it's better to follow your own obligations in accordance with international law, in this case with the Chemical Weapons Convention'."

The only ultimatum I'm aware of is the one Theresa May talked about:
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May says either Russia ordered the attack, or it has lost control of its stock of the nerve agent involved.

She says Boris Johnson, the foreign secretary, summoned the Russian ambassador to the Foreign Office today. He said Russia must explain which of the two possible explanations is the correct one. And it must reply by the end of tomorrow, she says.



Are you aware of any other ultimatums?  :shrug:



I don't see an ultimatum at all.  Maybe I'm stupid.  Can you break down the ultimatum for me because I'm not seeing it.


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #25063990 - 03/14/18 08:31 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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The state run media is only one of hundreds of channels Russians can watch. 





   
  World press freedom index ranks Russia 148 ,  slightly better than Ethiopia but kinda lagging behind Mexico and South Sudan .  The number of channels available is irrelevant if coercion exists  . There are endless articles to be read about the death of independent journalism in Russia from 3 or  4 years ago .
 
 
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Putin chooses not to debate, just as any



Maybe that’s why he keeps winning ,  maybe Russians are just really fucking stupid  . Why would anyone vote for a coward that chooses not to debate ?


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Enlil]
    #25064044 - 03/14/18 08:58 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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The video talks about an "ultimatum":

"The UK says a Soviet developed toxin was used to poison a former Russian spy on British soil and has demanded an explanation from the Kremlin.  But Moscow said on Tuesday that it's going to ignore that ultimatum, that is, until the UK hands over samples of the alleged nerve agent used in the attempted murder of Sergei Skripal and his daughter Julia, something Moscow says is an obligation under the Chemical Weapons Convention.  'Before issuing ultimatums to report before the British Government within 24 hours, it's better to follow your own obligations in accordance with international law, in this case with the Chemical Weapons Convention'."

The only ultimatum I'm aware of is the one Theresa May talked about:
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May says either Russia ordered the attack, or it has lost control of its stock of the nerve agent involved.

She says Boris Johnson, the foreign secretary, summoned the Russian ambassador to the Foreign Office today. He said Russia must explain which of the two possible explanations is the correct one. And it must reply by the end of tomorrow, she says.



Are you aware of any other ultimatums?  :shrug:



I don't see an ultimatum at all.  Maybe I'm stupid.  Can you break down the ultimatum for me because I'm not seeing it.



"He (Boris Johnson) said Russia must explain which of the two possible explanations is the correct one. And it must reply by the end of tomorrow"  :shrug:

Is this another semantics game?


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Psilynut2]
    #25064087 - 03/14/18 09:15 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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The state run media is only one of hundreds of channels Russians can watch.  They can watch criticism of Putin on CNN, Fox, etc in Russian.



   
  World press freedom index ranks Russia 148 ,  slightly better than Ethiopia but kinda lagging behind Mexico and South Sudan .  The number of channels available is irrelevant if coercion exists  . There are endless articles to be read about the death of independent journalism in Russia from 3 or  4 years ago .



I've already addressed that here.  Read the article I linked to.
 
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Putin chooses not to debate, just as any candidate in the US can opt out of the debates.



Maybe that’s why he keeps winning ,  maybe Russians are just really fucking stupid  . Why would anyone vote for a coward that chooses not to debate ?



The people who are really fucking stupid are the ones who keep saying "DURR, I DON'T NEED NO PROOF, DURR!"


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #25064162 - 03/14/18 09:38 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

How does that equate to it being either Russia or Russia?


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Enlil]
    #25064171 - 03/14/18 09:42 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

I don't understand your game.  I'm done playing.  It's in the quote:

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May says either Russia ordered the attack, or it has lost control of its stock of the nerve agent involved.

She says Boris Johnson, the foreign secretary, summoned the Russian ambassador to the Foreign Office today. He said Russia must explain which of the two possible explanations is the correct one. And it must reply by the end of tomorrow, she says.




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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #25064239 - 03/14/18 10:07 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

So that means it's either Russia or someone else who got it from Russia.  Not Russia or Russia.


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Enlil]
    #25064303 - 03/14/18 10:44 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #25064399 - 03/14/18 11:53 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

There's a big difference between the two.  As you've said, it's been decades since this agent was developed.  It makes sense that the UK would want Russia to explain if some of it got into another person's hands.  My concern is that Russia seems to be acting very strangely by not offering whatever assistance they can in the matter.  That makes it look guilty IMO.


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Enlil]
    #25064412 - 03/15/18 12:10 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

The only "assistance" the UK is looking for is an admission of guilt that Russia got this into someone's hands.  Russia said it's not theirs.

The UK is known to have this toxin also; so why does Russia have to admit it was their carelessness, unless your attitude is "DURR, PUTIN, DURRR"?

I don't know who did it, but your attitude is clearly "DURRR, PUTIN, DURRR!"

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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #25064416 - 03/15/18 12:15 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Russia DID get it into someone's hands.  Whether they literally put it in the hands of a couple of assassins with orders to kill these people or they developed it, thus allowing it to get into someone's hands, or anything in between, they are the ones who made it all possible.

Why is it unreasonable to find out from Russia whatever possible vectors this weapon that THEY DEVELOPED might have used to get into these people's system?


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