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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27873169 - 07/22/22 05:16 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

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I see you chose to continue to lie and deflect. No surprising coming from you.



No explanation?  Ok, I can do that too.  You're a big fat poo poo head, so there!



I did explain, you just can't stop lying can you?



Explain again please.

Or is this more "it's in there somewhere if you just read the last 100 pages!"



I'm not going to play your pathetic game, do you have a name or not? Stop running away, stop lying about other people and answer the question.

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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27873170 - 07/22/22 05:16 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

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What does resistance to the Ukrainian government by separatists have to do with the multiple invasions and occupations now carried out by Russian military forces within the territory of Ukraine?



The United States tried to take control of Crimea via a coup, and Russia is resisting.

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Has someone here argued that they don't have the right to attempt self-determination?  I don't remember reading that.  As far as I can tell, people seem to take issue with the invasion and occupation by Russian forces, not the resistance of Eastern Ukrainian separatists themselves.



Eastern Ukraine doesn't stand much of a chance with all the arms the US has given Western Ukraine.  Should the US should be able to coup whomever we like without resistance?

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You're really reaching here but I'll give you a chance to be consistent in your ideology:

If Russia has a right to directly intervene militarily in the internal affairs of Ukraine on behalf of eastern Ukrainian separatists then it must follow that you agree that the U.S. has a right to directly intervene militarily in the internal affairs of Syria on behalf of Syrian resistance fighters.  True or False?



False.  Here's why.

In both Western Ukraine and Syria, the US intervened to try and take control from the democratically elected Governments.




1)Russia is "resisting" by invading and occupying a foreign country?
:whateveryousayfreak:

2)The Colonies didn't stand much of a chance against the most powerful empire in the world.  Cuban didn't stand much of a chance against the U.S. puppet regime.  What does that have to do with the Russian invasion and occupation of Ukraine?
As to your silly question, "Should the U.S. be able to coup whomever we like without resistance?" No, of course not, who here has espoused that position?

3) So then your position is that only "ethnic Russians" in eastern Ukraine have agency while Syrian resistance fighters are simply pawns of the U.S.?  Or is it that it's fine for Russia to intervene but not the U.S.?  It's really hard for me to tell what your point is here.


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27873182 - 07/22/22 05:26 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

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Back to mind reading again, are we?  Source or make believe?



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If someone calls the Russian invasion of Ukraine a 'war of aggression';
Then they think the US should be able to coup whomever they want.

This is not a valid deductive argument.



It is, and I explained it here.  I'm willing to listen to your counterargument (if you have one).




You haven't "explained" it, you've simply made a nonsense assertion.  My counter argument is that your assertion is nonsense based on make believe.  Prove me wrong.


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: ballsalsa] * 1
    #27873212 - 07/22/22 05:36 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

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Russia is "resisting" by invading and occupying a foreign country?



No, they're resisting by resisting a US takeover.

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So then your position is that only "ethnic Russians" in eastern Ukraine have agency while Syrian resistance fighters are simply pawns of the U.S.?  Or is it that it's fine for Russia to intervene but not the U.S.?  It's really hard for me to tell what your point is here.



The point is that in both countries, the US was the one trying to regime change them.


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Kwyjibo] * 1
    #27873225 - 07/22/22 05:45 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

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I'm not going to play your pathetic game, do you have a name or not? Stop running away, stop lying about other people and answer the question.



I gave you a name.  Were you not able to follow the logic, or explain what's wrong with the logic?


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: ballsalsa]
    #27873229 - 07/22/22 05:47 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

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It is, and I explained it here.  I'm willing to listen to your counterargument (if you have one).



You haven't "explained" it, you've simply made a nonsense assertion.  My counter argument is that your assertion is nonsense based on make believe.  Prove me wrong.



I don't see where my logic was wrong, can you explain?


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #27873235 - 07/22/22 05:50 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

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I'm not going to play your pathetic game, do you have a name or not? Stop running away, stop lying about other people and answer the question.



I gave you a name.  Were you not able to follow the logic, or explain what's wrong with the logic?



Why don't we just ask Lynnch then? Seems like the simplest way to find out what he believes. Are you going to admit you're a liar if he says he does not believe what you claimed he believes?

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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27873245 - 07/22/22 05:58 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

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Russia is "resisting" by invading and occupying a foreign country?



No, they're resisting by resisting a US takeover.

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So then your position is that only "ethnic Russians" in eastern Ukraine have agency while Syrian resistance fighters are simply pawns of the U.S.?  Or is it that it's fine for Russia to intervene but not the U.S.?  It's really hard for me to tell what your point is here.



The point is that in both countries, the US was the one trying to regime change them.




How can Russia 'resist' something that hasn't been done to them?  What forms has this Russian 'resistance' taken thus far other than invasions and occupations of Ukrainian territory?


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #27873254 - 07/22/22 06:01 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

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It is, and I explained it here.  I'm willing to listen to your counterargument (if you have one).



You haven't "explained" it, you've simply made a nonsense assertion.  My counter argument is that your assertion is nonsense based on make believe.  Prove me wrong.



I don't see where my logic was wrong, can you explain?




What logic?


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: ballsalsa] * 1
    #27873299 - 07/22/22 06:45 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

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How can Russia 'resist' something that hasn't been done to them?



Do you mean how can they resist having their only warm water port in Crimea taken from them, for which they had an agreement with Yanukovych (who was removed) to keep it until 2042?

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  What forms has this Russian 'resistance' taken thus far other than invasions and occupations of Ukrainian territory?



Crimea and Donbas left Ukraine after the illegal coup of their democratically elected government happened.  They were no longer part of Ukraine, but the US wanted Ukraine to take it back.


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: ballsalsa] * 1
    #27873301 - 07/22/22 06:46 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

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It is, and I explained it here.  I'm willing to listen to your counterargument (if you have one).



You haven't "explained" it, you've simply made a nonsense assertion.  My counter argument is that your assertion is nonsense based on make believe.  Prove me wrong.



I don't see where my logic was wrong, can you explain?




What logic?



It's in the link I provided.


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27873306 - 07/22/22 06:53 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

I couldn't find it, all I found was make believe.  Maybe quote it.


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: ballsalsa] * 1
    #27873410 - 07/22/22 09:19 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

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I couldn't find it, all I found was make believe.  Maybe quote it.



Here is the logic:

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If you say of course Eastern Ukraine should resist, then resistance isn't aggression, it's defense.  If you say they shouldn't resist, then you admit the US should be allowed to take over the world without resistance.



Is there another option I missed?


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Enlil]
    #27873429 - 07/22/22 09:30 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

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Yeah uhh that and the only people who get killed by it are clear enemies of the putin regime



No, Russia's homicide rate is about double the US.  Those aren't even close to the only people getting killed.



look at you ignoring the whole point of his post.  Are you saying that Russia has a lot of people getting killed by radioactive isotopes and nerve agents?




Maybe there are regular Russians who are killed with extremely rare radioactive isotopes and bizarre synthetic organophosporus toxins, but it does appear that only enemies of the Russian state and Putin die this way.


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27873436 - 07/22/22 09:38 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

Probably but it's a non-sequitur either way. Russian military invasions and occupations of Ukrainian territory have absolutely nothing to do with separatist resistance in eastern Ukraine.  They are completely different topics.  Even if you could somehow show that the U.S. 'took over' Ukraine, which, by they way, you haven't come close to doing, that doesn't translate to taking 'over the 'world'.  Finally, you're arguing against a position that nobody here has taken. That's a strawman and I'm reasonably sure you know it.


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #27873439 - 07/22/22 09:40 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

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I couldn't find it, all I found was make believe.  Maybe quote it.



Here is the logic:

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If you say of course Eastern Ukraine should resist, then resistance isn't aggression, it's defense.  If you say they shouldn't resist, then you admit the US should be allowed to take over the world without resistance.



Is there another option I missed?




Lol you’ve completely ignored the fact that Russia invaded Ukraine. Russia is attempting to annex parts of Ukraine that aren’t seeking independence or being disputed. You can try and say that Russia assisting the rebels in Donbas isn’t aggression, but Russia occupying and annexing undisputed Ukrainian territory is 100% pure aggression.


Should Russia be allowed to take over parts of other countries without resistance?


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #27873442 - 07/22/22 09:42 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/WorldNetDaily
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WND (formerly WorldNetDaily)[1] is an American far-right[9] news and opinion website and online news aggregator. The website is known for promoting falsehoods and conspiracy theories[17] and publishing fake news.[22]





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And now he's DeBooNkiNg stuff using shitpedia and the like,



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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: chopstick] * 1
    #27873444 - 07/22/22 09:46 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

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In both Western Ukraine and Syria, the US intervened to try and take control from the democratically elected Governments.




Wait wut. Democratically elected government of Syria? Syria is a multi generational dictatorship, and one of the most brutal in the world.


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: koods] * 2
    #27873446 - 07/22/22 09:46 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

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I couldn't find it, all I found was make believe.  Maybe quote it.



Here is the logic:

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If you say of course Eastern Ukraine should resist, then resistance isn't aggression, it's defense.  If you say they shouldn't resist, then you admit the US should be allowed to take over the world without resistance.



Is there another option I missed?




Lol you’ve completely ignored the fact that Russia invaded Ukraine. Russia is attempting to annex parts of Ukraine that aren’t seeking independence or being disputed. You can try and say that Russia assisting the rebels in Donbas isn’t aggression, but Russia occupying and annexing undisputed Ukrainian territory is 100% pure aggression.


Should Russia be allowed to take over parts of other countries without resistance?




Already the residents of Kherson and Zhaporizia, two different regions outside of DPR/LPR, are already chomping at the bit to hold referendums to join Russia.

Zelensky is so unpopular that basically the entire eastern half of Ukraine wants to join up and is just waiting for Russia to liberate them. Not surprising when you have a bunch of thugs & murderers for a "military" who shoot civilians for fun, even their own nation's civilians, like in Ukraine!

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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: koods] * 2
    #27873448 - 07/22/22 09:48 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

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In both Western Ukraine and Syria, the US intervened to try and take control from the democratically elected Governments.




Wait wut. Democratically elected government of Syria? Syria is a multi generational dictatorship, and one of the most brutal in the world.




Hey Koods, how does it feel to swallow propaganda & lie to yourself on a daily basis? This simply isn't true, but at this point you're so far gone that you basically live in some twisted, fucked up version of the twilight zone

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