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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Enlil]
    #25062983 - 03/14/18 01:25 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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Nope.  English isn't working, so I'm gonna just have to leave you to your ignorance.



But you said yourself it wouldnt be enough evidence in court

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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: MagicMush123]
    #25062987 - 03/14/18 01:26 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

It's not court. It's diplomacy.


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: koods]
    #25062995 - 03/14/18 01:29 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Yea well i heard that actually trump was behind it to frame Hilary, but due to his massive incompetence he accidentally framed russia.

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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: MagicMush123]
    #25063007 - 03/14/18 01:34 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

way too sophisticated for trump.


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Patlal]
    #25063024 - 03/14/18 01:41 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

COBOL is my second language.


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: MagicMush123]
    #25063028 - 03/14/18 01:42 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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Nope.  English isn't working, so I'm gonna just have to leave you to your ignorance.



But you said yourself it wouldnt be enough evidence in court



That doesn't suddenly make it speculation.

There wasn't enough evidence to convict OJ, but he wasn't arrested on speculation.



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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #25063060 - 03/14/18 01:58 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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I've provided several motives.  To make Russia look bad and lower their international standing.  To try and stop the Nord Stream 2 gas line from feeding the EU.  To have an excuse for sanctions so they can hurt Russia economically.

Your motive is that Russia finally wants to send a message 14 years after Sergei Skripal's arrest.

Both are valid.



Why these two people though?  What do these people have to do with making Russia look bad?  Or stopping a gas line? 

Your whole theory is some convoluted conspiracy to frame someone for PR purposes.  You can't possibly not see how attenuated that is from the evidence we have.  You're in Alex Jones territory at this point.



Are you serious?  Have you not read any news since this incident?  People are going batshit crazy over this.  Russia has most certainly lost international standing, sanctions are being discussed, and I'll bet my sig we see pressure on Germany to cancel Nord Stream 2.

IF it was Britain, the assassination was a success beyond their wildest dreams.


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #25063068 - 03/14/18 02:00 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

None of that speaks to motive, though, unless you're saying that Britain has some psychic who could have known how it would play out.


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #25063069 - 03/14/18 02:00 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

the victims are still alive so no, the assasination did not succeed beyond anyone wildest dreams


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: MagicMush123]
    #25063070 - 03/14/18 02:00 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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So in other words linking it to russia is speculation at this point



Nope.  English isn't working, so I'm gonna just have to leave you to your ignorance.



One thing I've learned about Enlil:  If he can't with the logical argument, he'll change it to a semantics argument.


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #25063074 - 03/14/18 02:02 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

One thing I've learned about you is that you play fast and loose with the meanings of words for the purpose of weaseling out of your untenable positions.  When called out on that, you call it a "semantic argument."


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Enlil]
    #25063077 - 03/14/18 02:05 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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None of that speaks to motive, though, unless you're saying that Britain has some psychic who could have known how it would play out.



Are you serious?  You think only a psychic could have predicted the outcome?  I'm no psychic, and I could have predicted it - especially if I had conducted the attack knowing that I would respond by raising hell against the Russians.


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #25063080 - 03/14/18 02:06 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

You could have?  Did you?  Did anyone?  Or is that just speculation?


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Enlil]
    #25063087 - 03/14/18 02:09 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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One thing I've learned about you is that you play fast and loose with the meanings of words for the purpose of weaseling out of your untenable positions.  When called out on that, you call it a "semantic argument."



You said there was proof Russia did it.  When pressed by Mush and I, you acknowledged it doesn't meet the reasonable doubt standard, and there is "little proof".

People here don't think of proof the way lawyers do.  But at least you're man enough to admit there's not much here.


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Enlil]
    #25063095 - 03/14/18 02:11 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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You could have?  Did you?  Did anyone?  Or is that just speculation?



Are Russian spies who don't even know who the killer is going to learn a lesson from this?  Or is that just speculation?

Anyone can play your lawyer games.


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #25063121 - 03/14/18 02:20 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Russian spies know exactly who did this. That is the point.


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #25063123 - 03/14/18 02:21 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah, Russian spies are going to learn a lesson from this, unless they're not paying attention.  Certainly, the one(s) tasked with carrying out the assassination learned something from it.  The message is clear and consistent:  Russia doesn't forgive or forget.  Litvinenko was assassinated years after his defection.  Now Skripal gets the same treatment.

This really isn't rocket science.  For anyone who isn't dead-set on loving Russia, it's pretty obvious what happened here.


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Enlil]
    #25063131 - 03/14/18 02:23 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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For anyone who isn't is dead-set on loving hating Russia, it's pretty obvious what happened here.



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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: koods]
    #25063139 - 03/14/18 02:25 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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Russian spies know exactly who did this. That is the point.



Do you have evidence they know, or is that just speculation?

This is the whole point of my argument.  Almost no one knows what happened, but some here like to make believe that they do.


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #25063143 - 03/14/18 02:27 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

The guy was a double agent, why should we give a shit who killed him?

We should be more concerned about all the B.S. in the western MSM about Putin, it's really winding up the plebs over here in the UK.

The MSM, like the government is making it personal, as it always does when preparing the masses for war. It was Saddam in Iraq, it was Gaddafi in Libya.

It seems that it is far easier to foment hatred against an individual than an entire nation.

I'm no apologist for Putin, he is probably as big a war criminal as Blair and Bush. Well, no not that bad.

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