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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Stable Genius] 1
#27353773 - 06/18/21 02:51 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Here's another great video debunking things said about the Douma incident from The Young Turks. Not for people who hate facts that can be verified:
Those here who want to discuss things in the video are welcome. But I'll bet the responses are little more than "Durrr, I don't like Jimmy Dore".
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#27353853 - 06/18/21 04:12 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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It’s funny bc now Jimmy Dore hates tyt, and tyt hates Aaron mate.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: The Ecstatic]
#27354068 - 06/18/21 05:54 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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The video makes it pretty clear why tyt hates Aaron Mate. He exposed them for being corporate shills and for their verifiable lies about Douma. I'd be upset with him too.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#27354235 - 06/18/21 07:42 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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The worst atrocity in Syria to these guys is apparently that the are fog of war inconsistencies about an attack, not the fact that Assad fucking massacred tens of thousands of his own citizens who decided they had had enough of his family’s decades long autocratic rule. Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with you people?
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: koods]
#27354361 - 06/18/21 08:55 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Source, or make believe? Can you show ANY evidence they think the worst atrocity in Syria is that there are fog of war inconsistencies?
Just because the US has been shown to be lying about the this, doesn't mean they think it's the worst thing.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#27354399 - 06/18/21 09:20 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Jesus Christ, it was rhetorical. I don’t know what you think is the worst atrocity, but you have no interest in discussing the actual war crimes of Assad. You are obsessed with discrediting the claims made on one day in Douma. There have been dozens of chlorine attacks that are simply undeniable, but what you find outrageous and cannot stop talking about for over two years, is that one incident where details are in dispute. Why?
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: koods]
#27354560 - 06/18/21 11:17 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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koods said: Jesus Christ, it was rhetorical. I don’t know what you think is the worst atrocity, but you have no interest in discussing the actual war crimes of Assad.
Source, or make believe? Where did I say I wouldn't discuss actual war crimes of Assad? The question is will you discuss the actual war crimes of the United States?
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#27354567 - 06/18/21 11:28 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26982036#26982036
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koods said: What do you think about the dozens of other chemical attacks committed by Assad? If this is just a dispute about one attack, you should have no problem calling Assad a war criminal. I don’t think you can.
Your response to my question :
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: As I said before I'll discuss that after this discussion is finished.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: koods]
#27354572 - 06/18/21 11:34 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ok, so let's discuss it.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#27354574 - 06/18/21 11:39 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ok answer the question
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: koods]
#27354584 - 06/18/21 11:46 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Now that we've established the US lies to support regime change, I think that calls many of the other incidents into question. They're certainly not "simply undeniable", just because you make believe it's so.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 1
#27354605 - 06/19/21 12:03 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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You’re not as good at this as you were. Your routine is explicitly shameless.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: koods]
#27354633 - 06/19/21 12:31 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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You'll have to do a better job of explaining. "You're a big fat poo poo head" isn't much of an argument.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: koods] 2
#27354902 - 06/19/21 07:40 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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koods said: The worst atrocity in Syria to these guys is apparently that the are fog of war inconsistencies about an attack, not the fact that Assad fucking massacred tens of thousands of his own citizens who decided they had had enough of his family’s decades long autocratic rule. Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with you people?
Either you’re unaware of the context here or you’re ignoring it.
Fwiw the worst thing about Syria isn’t Douma (regardless of what actually happened), it’s that the foundation for Douma was laid because YOUR (mine and fal’s) government decided that teaming up with Isis and al Qaeda was cool and good because a government in the region decided to ally themselves with Russia and Iran instead of us and Israel. That’s what it boils down to. Being indignant about the consequences of those decisions is only proving that this strategy of funding terrorist to topple sovereign nations is a good one.
And let’s be real: you dont give a single shit about what happens to the people of Syria.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: The Ecstatic]
#27354989 - 06/19/21 09:29 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Great point.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 2
#27355017 - 06/19/21 09:57 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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People need to learn at the bigger picture when it comes to starting wars (crazy I know).
It’s like using ‘Saddam gassed 100,000 people’ as an excuse to start a war that kills 1 million people, and sparks wars in other nations like Syria, not to mention he gassed the Kurds with weapons we gave him to fight Iran. Why? Because Islamic clerics and their allies had just overthrown the CIA backed dictator and we didn’t like that. This is all a series of consequences, and yet oddly enough people only ever seem outraged by the consequences that just so happen to amplify the US military’s agenda.
“What is wrong with you people?” Lol you’re cheering on the agenda of the biggest death machine in the history of the world. Did you really think no civilians would die when Assad (and a majority of Syrians, mind you) took up arms to defend their country from isis? Or America or Israel? Do you think the US government thought that when they decided that Syria deserved regime change? They’ve been planning it since at least 2001 they had plenty of time to consider their options. But unleashing the murderous Islamic cult on Syria that we unleashed on iraq seemed like a better move. And now you think that they’re so desperately concerned with the lives of innocent Muslims that we need to do that regime change in order to save lives? Nah man.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: The Ecstatic]
#27355037 - 06/19/21 10:10 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#27355051 - 06/19/21 10:25 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Obviously the counterweight to that is not just repeating propaganda from other countries, but that’s why I said a few pages ago that we’ll never know for sure. All we know is that the US has been looking for an excuse to go after Assad, we managed to get Israel on board (that wasn’t difficult) and were able to secure some funding and training for those classic ‘moderate rebels’ but the public didn’t have an appetite for much more than that in Syria. That’s why Obama backed off his famous ‘red line’ there. Just have to look what the circumstances surrounding Douma and ask yourself what makes the most sense. If your baseline is “what the pentagon tells me makes the most sense” then you’re not considering all the circumstances. I’m not saying that only the US does bad things or even that the US causes all the bad things, I’m just saying that this narrative we’re fed about how countries X, Y, and Z all have leaders with an unquenchable bloodlust that they just have to murder their own people sometimes for no reason, is bullshit. There’s always a reason, but believing they’re all loose cannon maniacs does a lot of leg work for justifying a US-backed coup, which everyone knows will result in mass death and suffering, even if you’ve convinced yourself it’s only short term. So we get told we have to kill people to save lives and that becomes a lot easier to stomach.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: The Ecstatic]
#27355125 - 06/19/21 12:04 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yes, authoritarian governments support foreign groups they perceive will be beneficial in maintaining/building their hegemonic influence. I think it's important to acknowledge that - dispute the influence of geopolitical forces - the small people still have individual agency. Opposition to Assad's human rights violations doesn't need to take the form of defending the USA. Opposition to US imperialism doesn't need to take the form of defending Assad. Seeing the common people as nothing more than pawns only plays into the nation-state game.
Of course, the challenge is to wade through the propaganda and misinformation in order to arrive at that point. Not always possible without having boots on the ground.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: shivas.wisdom]
#27355195 - 06/19/21 01:07 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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shivas.wisdom said: Opposition to US imperialism doesn't need to take the form of defending Assad.
Exactly. Pointing out that the US has been lying about Syria doesn't mean support of Assad. It means the US has been lying about Syria.
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shivas.wisdom said: Of course, the challenge is to wade through the propaganda and misinformation in order to arrive at that point. Not always possible without having boots on the ground.
Absolutely agree. I haven't been to Syria yet because I'm not sure how safe it is (though I did go to Crimea which was very safe), but here's a video from some fact finders who went there to learn more.
It's a bit long so I haven't watched it yet, but maybe I'll post a summary if I ever get around to watching...
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