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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: twighead] 1
#27325586 - 05/27/21 06:11 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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koods said: Falcon spent three years obsessed with proving to us that Assad was being framed for a chemical attack.
I was looking at Aaron Mates recent video regarding the ongoing questions of the OPCW report into the alleged? chemical weapons attack. He highlights the terribly inadequate and misleading answers from current OPCW Director-General Fernando Arias, as well as an eye popping claim by Jose Bustani, former OPCW Director-General that he was pressured into resigning by John Bolton and Dick Cheney as his moves to bring Iraq into the Chemical Weapons Convention didn't sit well with their plans to invade Iraq.
The thing that still bugs me about Aaron Mates claim that the event was staged is if those bodies were brought to site, who killed them and how was it done without anyone knowing or saying anything? He said he was going to add a link to another investigation that looked further into that claim, but he didn't.
This to me is where the wheels fall off his story I don't doubt the U.S. has coerced countries to fall in line with their foreign policy but murdering those people?... where's the evidence?
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Stable Genius] 1
#27325758 - 05/27/21 07:38 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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The innocent people you speak of were likely murdered by the CIA-backed terrorist groups operating in Syria. They've murdered tens of thousands of civilians, what's a couple dozen more for a false flag operation they can use to blame Assad?
That is absolutely nothing to them.
Of all the things to get skeptical over, you picked the one thing with the most simple explanation.
The US-backed terrorists in Syria murder people every day, and are still doing it in the limited areas they control, and you act like it's a mystery? 
The OPCW literally got caught red-handed blaming Assad when they knew there was no evidence (and were even called out by some of their own organization's team members, whom were actually on the ground in Syria) and yet you still come up with an excuse to have to avoid admitting that Aaron Mate is right. Why?
Oh and by the way, Assad won re-election in Syria today.
Hundreds of thousands of people took to the streets to celebrate and show their support for Bashar. The Syrian people have proven that even when faced with an enemy whom is determined to destroy their nation and install a literal jihadist dictatorship via force, the human spirit is unbreakable and as long as the people are united, even the most powerful nations on Earth, and all their resources, can be overcome.
Here are some photos of the crowds:
https://twitter.com/ASBMilitary/status/1398028052102275074
Meanwhile, the Syrian citizens whom are stuck in the unliberated Syrian territory of Idlib province are forced to live under Shariah law, the jihadists regularly jail or murder anyone who criticizes their radical islamist beliefs, stone women to death convicted of things like "adultery", are kidnapped by militants and held for ransom, and all sorts of fucked up shit. Keep in mind that the US is still supporting the terrorists in Idlib to this very day, clinging to the vain hope that maybe they might become powerful enough one day again to finally overthrow Assad. Of course it will never happen.
Oh but don't worry, I'm sure someone will come along soon and say that Bashar personally forced all those thousands of people to march and cheer and celebrate and sing for him at gunpoint.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Stable Genius] 1
#27325846 - 05/27/21 08:50 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Since I started this thread, I still get notifications whenever someone posts to it, so I saw your post and decided to respond.
I think you posted an exceptionally good video, which makes it painfully obvious there is a Douma cover up (if anyone still believes otherwise, PLEASE watch the video).
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Stable Genius said: The thing that still bugs me about Aaron Mates claim that the event was staged is if those bodies were brought to site, who killed them and how was it done without anyone knowing or saying anything? He said he was going to add a link to another investigation that looked further into that claim, but he didn't.
This to me is where the wheels fall off his story 
I think you're referring to 34:45 - 36:40 of the video. He didn't say that "bodies were brought to the site", he said "the bodies were repositioned" and "the incident was staged". The bodies may have already been there from a conventional weapons attack, and we already know the hospital scene he referred to was staged:
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: chopstick]
#27325854 - 05/27/21 08:59 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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chopstick said: I'm sure someone will come along soon and say that Bashar personally forced all those thousands of people to march and cheer and celebrate and sing for him at gunpoint.
Just like people said the election in Crimea to rejoin Russia was rigged. I actually travelled to Crimea to ask the locals about that, and not a single person from either side thought the election was rigged; everyone knew Crimeans overwhelmingly wanted to rejoin Russia.
But Ukraine doesn't want people like me getting the story out:
Kiev bans foreigners from entering Crimea via land border with Ukraine
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 1
#27325885 - 05/27/21 09:30 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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I’ll be honest, it’s fucking hilarious you return on that topic.
It’s nice to see you! I was beginning to think you forgot how to type or something.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: christopera]
#27325923 - 05/27/21 10:11 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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What's hilarious about showing the cover-up is real, as a few of us have been saying? I guess you haven't seen the video yet? (I know - it's a bit long)
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#27325949 - 05/27/21 10:28 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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I am doing well. Thanks for asking!
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 1
#27326098 - 05/28/21 12:21 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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chopstick said: I'm sure someone will come along soon and say that Bashar personally forced all those thousands of people to march and cheer and celebrate and sing for him at gunpoint.
Just like people said the election in Crimea to rejoin Russia was rigged. I actually travelled to Crimea to ask the locals about that, and not a single person from either side thought the election was rigged; everyone knew Crimeans overwhelmingly wanted to rejoin Russia.
But Ukraine doesn't want people like me getting the story out:
Kiev bans foreigners from entering Crimea via land border with Ukraine
You really don’t believe holding an election two weeks after an invasion asking if you want to be annexed by the invading force is a legitimate democratic process? The lengths you go to legitimize fraudulent elections and power grabs is astounding.
I’m sure the people who didn’t want Russia to annex their homes felt really comfortable walking to a polling station through streets guarded by Russian troops.
Anyways, say hi to Putin.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: koods]
#27326128 - 05/28/21 01:23 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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koods said: You really don’t believe holding an election two weeks after an invasion asking if you want to be annexed by the invading force is a legitimate democratic process?
It might be ligitimate, it might not be. The mainstream media tells you one thing, the alternative media tells you another. Who do you believe?
The best way to determine what's real is to travel to Crimea and speak with the people who were there. I talked to about 50 different people in my fact-finding trip there, and realized beyond any doubt that the people there felt it was legitimate and that no one even knew of any 'invasion'.
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koods said: The lengths you go to legitimize fraudulent elections and power grabs is astounding.
Travelling to Crimea was a great length, I'll agree, but that's how I found out it wasn't a fraudulent election.
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koods said: I’m sure the people who didn’t want Russia to annex their homes felt really comfortable walking to a polling station through streets guarded by Russian troops.
No one I spoke with felt any intimidation. Your gullibility is off the charts.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: chopstick]
#27326153 - 05/28/21 02:24 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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chopstick said: Of all the things to get skeptical over, you picked the one thing with the most simple explanation.
The US-backed terrorists in Syria murder people every day, and are still doing it in the limited areas they control, and you act like it's a mystery? 
The OPCW literally got caught red-handed blaming Assad when they knew there was no evidence (and were even called out by some of their own organization's team members, whom were actually on the ground in Syria) and yet you still come up with an excuse to have to avoid admitting that Aaron Mate is right. Why?
Why why why?..... because it'd be great to see some EVIDENCE showing who actually killed those people. What's wrong with looking at why the OPCW has CHOSEN to ignore the views of 2 senior dissenting inspectors, inspectors that have been with the OPCW since it's inception? If you'd watched the video we are commenting on you'd hear from Aaron Mate that one of those inspectors AGREED to change certain aspects of his story... he was then pineappled by the OPCW but the fact that he negotiated to change his story is worth questioning wouldn't you agree?
Also, around the 35 minute mark Aaron cites a BBC jounalist Riam Dalati who apparently made the unequivocal claim after a 6 month investigation that the bodies at the building were repositioned... only one problem, he never released his findings!!! that's worth questioning wouldn't you agree?
This whole story stinks like shit, the OPCW has shot itself in the foot with it's blatant falsification of events but until the truth comes out you have as much an idea as I do as to how those people died
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#27326187 - 05/28/21 03:57 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Not according to the Intercept
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AN INTERVIEW WITH an 11-year-old Syrian boy broadcast last week on Russia’s main state-owned news channel, Russia-24, appears to have been filmed not in the boy’s hometown, where a suspected chemical attack took place, but at a Syrian army facility where Russian military advisers were present.
https://theintercept.com/2018/04/23/russian-tv-interview-syrian-boy-secretly-conducted-army-facility/
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Stable Genius] 1
#27326401 - 05/28/21 08:19 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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It’s like I said last year: it really doesn’t matter who actually did it, both sides are committing atrocities. But one side has wide support from the people of his country and the other side is CIA and Israel backed ISIS and al Qaeda militants.
The people arguing against Assad don’t seem to understand what they’re arguing for. They’ll wrap their indignation in calls for humanitarianism, but at the end of the day you have to make a choice between the democratically elected government or ISIS. Israel and the US obviously prefer the latter.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: The Ecstatic]
#27326436 - 05/28/21 08:48 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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I get your point but this incident led to the U.K France and the U.S. bombing another country. That's like you saying does it really matter why Kissinger bombed Cambodia. cmon
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Stable Genius]
#27326480 - 05/28/21 09:26 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Stable Genius said: If you'd watched the video we are commenting on you'd hear from Aaron Mate that one of those inspectors AGREED to change certain aspects of his story... he was then pineappled by the OPCW but the fact that he negotiated to change his story is worth questioning wouldn't you agree?
Where did Aaron Mate say an inspector agreed to change his story? I watched the video twice and I missed that.
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Stable Genius said: Also, around the 35 minute mark Aaron cites a BBC jounalist Riam Dalati who apparently made the unequivocal claim after a 6 month investigation that the bodies at the building were repositioned... only one problem, he never released his findings!!! that's worth questioning wouldn't you agree?
Even if we agree that we still don't know what ultimately happened, that means we can agree we don't know it was chemical attack. THAT'S the problem.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Stable Genius]
#27326483 - 05/28/21 09:29 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Stable Genius said: ...this incident led to the U.K France and the U.S. bombing another country. That's like you saying does it really matter why Kissinger bombed Cambodia. cmon
I agree it's important to find out what happened. But finding out after the US/UK/France bombings already took place is a little late. They should have found out before the bombings. 
Obviously, with the benefit of hindsight, sending in an inspection team to find if it was a chemical attack was a bad idea, since they found no evidence.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Stable Genius]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:we already know the hospital scene he referred to was staged
Not according to the Intercept
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AN INTERVIEW WITH an 11-year-old Syrian boy broadcast last week on Russia’s main state-owned news channel, Russia-24, appears to have been filmed not in the boy’s hometown, where a suspected chemical attack took place, but at a Syrian army facility where Russian military advisers were present.
https://theintercept.com/2018/04/23/russian-tv-interview-syrian-boy-secretly-conducted-army-facility/
Why does it matter in what facility the interview took place? Glenn Greenwald quit the Intercept because they started censoring his articles in order to get the establishment story out instead of the truth. They're now no better than the NY Times.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: koods] 1
#27326547 - 05/28/21 10:37 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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chopstick said: I'm sure someone will come along soon and say that Bashar personally forced all those thousands of people to march and cheer and celebrate and sing for him at gunpoint.
Just like people said the election in Crimea to rejoin Russia was rigged. I actually travelled to Crimea to ask the locals about that, and not a single person from either side thought the election was rigged; everyone knew Crimeans overwhelmingly wanted to rejoin Russia.
But Ukraine doesn't want people like me getting the story out:
Kiev bans foreigners from entering Crimea via land border with Ukraine
You really don’t believe holding an election two weeks after an invasion asking if you want to be annexed by the invading force is a legitimate democratic process? The lengths you go to legitimize fraudulent elections and power grabs is astounding.
I’m sure the people who didn’t want Russia to annex their homes felt really comfortable walking to a polling station through streets guarded by Russian troops.
Anyways, say hi to Putin.
Imagine believing that the people living in Crimea would want to be part of an openly ultra-right wing coup and have Hitler-worshipping Nazi deathsquads stationed in their territory so they could be forced to live under the boot of a bunch of hateful thugs who wouldn't hesitate to kill them if they get out of line.
If you had the slightest bit of knowledge about the 2014 coup in Ukraine, and what actually happened (which you don't), you would know that a bus full of Crimean protesters was stopped and assaulted by Azov, a far-right deathsquad. During this incident, dozens of Crimeans were brutally attacked at gunpoint, beaten to an inch of their lives, and several were abducted and never seen again. They were most likely murdered.
After that incident, the Crimean public turned against Ukraine and was practically begging Russia to do something. Imagine the horrors of what they would live through if Azov and the rest of the Ukrainian nazi deathsquads were literally patrolling their streets.
It's really not hard to see why they wanted to join Russia, it was for their own benefit.
Ukraine on the other hand is a failed state that is on its way towards collapsing completely. Something like 50% of their population has left the country during the war, and never returned. Meanwhile, the economy is in the shitter and the only thing keeping it on life support are IMF loans - loans which come with specific conditions, of course, that basically make Ukraine a puppet state for the ones controlling them. As a result, Ukraine has no future, and this is a big part of why they've lost millions of citizens who never returned and probably never will.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Stable Genius] 1
#27326565 - 05/28/21 10:53 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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chopstick said: Of all the things to get skeptical over, you picked the one thing with the most simple explanation.
The US-backed terrorists in Syria murder people every day, and are still doing it in the limited areas they control, and you act like it's a mystery? 
The OPCW literally got caught red-handed blaming Assad when they knew there was no evidence (and were even called out by some of their own organization's team members, whom were actually on the ground in Syria) and yet you still come up with an excuse to have to avoid admitting that Aaron Mate is right. Why?
Why why why?..... because it'd be great to see some EVIDENCE showing who actually killed those people. What's wrong with looking at why the OPCW has CHOSEN to ignore the views of 2 senior dissenting inspectors, inspectors that have been with the OPCW since it's inception? If you'd watched the video we are commenting on you'd hear from Aaron Mate that one of those inspectors AGREED to change certain aspects of his story... he was then pineappled by the OPCW but the fact that he negotiated to change his story is worth questioning wouldn't you agree?
Also, around the 35 minute mark Aaron cites a BBC jounalist Riam Dalati who apparently made the unequivocal claim after a 6 month investigation that the bodies at the building were repositioned... only one problem, he never released his findings!!! that's worth questioning wouldn't you agree?
This whole story stinks like shit, the OPCW has shot itself in the foot with it's blatant falsification of events but until the truth comes out you have as much an idea as I do as to how those people died 
The OPCW is clearly compromised by western interests which seek to promote a false narrative. This is a common CIA tactic and unfortunately, they have infiltrated many so-called "humans rights" organizations. Human Rights Watch is another huge offender. As a result, the OPCW and other infiltrated organizations like HRW have nothing to do with human rights or finding the truth about chemical weapons but are rather little more than propaganda arms of the CIA.
Viewed from this context, it becomes blatantly clear why the OPCW attacked their own team members - because they knew the truth after having been on the ground in Syria and out of a sense of moral duty, refused to go along with the OPCW's lies. They were actually on the ground in Syria. They know the truth. So, the OPCW had to conduct last-minute damage control to try and salvage the situation. Luckily, they got caught. The fact that the OPCW deliberately lied should be mainstream news, it should be everywhere, but it's not, and the media is trying to pretend that this little fuck-up never happened. That alone should tell you something.
Why does someone like Aaron Mate have to do an independent investigation to expose all this in the first place when it should be front-page news that a supposed "independent" chemical weapons organization is, in-fact, deliberately spreading falsities to promote a US-intelligence backed false narrative? Because that is the only way to expose the actual truth when the media won't cover it.
Not saying that Aaron is right about everything. However, he comes a lot closer to the truth than virtually anybody else out there.
As for who killed them, it's not hard to come to the conlusion that it was the militants themselves. There are mass graves all over Syria where civilians have been executed in droves and their bodies dumped by the militants. All they'd have to do to stage something like this is take a couple dozen Syrians whom they were planning on executing anyway (maybe because they were Christians, or known pro-Assad supporter's family members), and kill them for the purpose of the false flag instead. Those people were slated for death either way, unfortunately.
Imagine being a Syrian who stood by Assad, or even just against radical islam, and then you get captured and subsequently murdered only for your death to be used for propaganda by the very same people who want to overthrow your government.
This is the sickening reality of what has taken place in Syria.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Stable Genius] 1
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We know why he (we) did that.
But we also know that the pretext of that entire war was based on a lie (that NVA patrol boats fired on Navy ships in the gulf of Tonkin).
Imagine we were discussing the gulf of Tonkin affair right now instead of Syrian chemical weapons attacks. When that discussion was happening the narrative was centered around what bad guys the NVA were, and how much of a threat they posed to our troops, the region, and their own people.
Nobody is saying that Assad is a saint, but I dunno man after like 20 examples of us being lied into a war it might be a good idea and pump the brakes, consider the consequences.
Let’s say best case scenario we kill zero civilians and somehow oust Assad. What then? What happened in Libya? Iraq? People are so giddy to have the moral high ground they’ll start arguing on behalf of the CIA, to an end that winds up being way worse for those innocent civilians that they’re so concerned about.
I get that it’s important to know the facts, but here’s the most obvious fact: the only danger of Assad losing his control of Syria (and the war) at that point was to commit some war crime so egregious it gave the US backed coalition an excuse to invade. Assad is smart, he’s not gonna gas his own people when he’s winning the damn war. Either way I guess my point is we probably won’t ever know what happened because there are no neutral parties here. Both sides will fabricate evidence and lie to make the other side look guilty so why even participate in the charade?
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: The Ecstatic]
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It's because of people discussing this that has made people take notice.
Thing is I agree that it makes zero sense for Assad using a chemical weapon when he was winning, where's the sense in that? Aus never got sucked into this campaign but we do have 12 thousand Syrian/Iraqi refugees (out of the 11 million people displaced) here. We watched people drown week after week trying to land a boat on Christmas Island, it forced the government to change it's stance on refugees and polarised the public. If I'm going to take on a red neck bogan Australian when they start refugee bashing I'd like to think I was arguing the right points and have some understanding of what those people actually went through and whether or not we are being sucked into another bullshit scenario. I appreciate the opinions of every person that has taken the time to post information honestly in this thread. That's about it really.
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