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Patlal
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: koods]
#25062652 - 03/14/18 11:44 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Here's a recent interview between Putin and Megan Kelly:
If you don't trust Putin, you have to think he's an evil genius the way he destroyed her.
If you think Putin could be telling the truth, you have to think Megan is an absolute moron the way he destroyed her.
It's not for the Putin haters, as it's 1 1/2 hours.
Lol what the fuck. The first question he goes on for 3 minutes and the translation is four words. What was he saying. Stopped watching. I'll wait for someone to translate this one.
I've always found it curious that such a high level intelligence official during the Cold War, as Putin was, doesn't speak English.
He looks unhealthy.
Putin speak perfect english.
He also speaks perfect german
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: MagicMush123]
#25062653 - 03/14/18 11:46 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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MagicMush123 said: I didn't know circumstantial evidence was proof
I didn't know that either. Especially when circumstantial evidence points to many different possibilities.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#25062661 - 03/14/18 11:48 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Because there is no proof?
Keep saying it over and over, but that doesn't change the fact that there is proof.
Keep saying it over and over, but that doesn't change the fact that no one has presented the proof.
I already did. You just pretended it wasn't evidence.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Enlil]
#25062662 - 03/14/18 11:49 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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It wasn't proof.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: MagicMush123]
#25062664 - 03/14/18 11:49 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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MagicMush123 said: I didn't know circumstantial evidence was proof
Well now you know. Why do you think they call it evidence if it isn't?
Also, I guess I should tell you that circumstantial evidence is often the strongest possible evidence. DNA evidence is circumstantial, for instance.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Enlil] 1
#25062695 - 03/14/18 12:02 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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The evidence is poison. It being russian, is circumstantial and is not direct evidence that russia actually did it. Without any more evidence or proof linking the poisoning to russia, this is pure speculation
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#25062763 - 03/14/18 12:18 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: It wasn't proof.
It was evidence. Evidence and proof are synonymous in this context. This isn't a math problem.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: MagicMush123]
#25062770 - 03/14/18 12:19 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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MagicMush123 said: The evidence is poison. It being russian, is circumstantial and is not direct evidence that russia actually did it. Without any more evidence or proof linking the poisoning to russia, this is pure speculation
Says you. I say we have a motive and a very rare poison that Russia developed. Is that enough proof to convict in a court of law? No. It is, however, proof. It isn't speculation.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Enlil]
#25062774 - 03/14/18 12:21 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Whats the distinction between evidence and proof? A reasonable doubt?
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: The Ecstatic] 1
#25062786 - 03/14/18 12:24 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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In court, there is no distinction. In math, the distinction is huge. When we're talking about something that is not provable beyond doubt (any factual assertion about what happened, for instance), all proof falls somewhere short of "beyond a shadow of a doubt."
I'm not setting a level of proof here. I'm saying there is proof. I acknowledge it doesn't meet the reasonable doubt standard. That doesn't mean there's no proof. It means there's little proof.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Enlil]
#25062822 - 03/14/18 12:36 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ah ok, thanks for clarifying.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Enlil]
#25062848 - 03/14/18 12:43 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Enlil said: I acknowledge it doesn't meet the reasonable doubt standard. That doesn't mean there's no proof. It means there's little proof.
By that definition, I've proven it was Britain. I explained their motive and that they also have the weapon. Where it was first developed 50 years ago is hardly relevant, and I'm surprised you think it is somehow.
I'm not saying it was Britain though. I'm saying we don't know who it was. No one knows.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#25062853 - 03/14/18 12:44 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think there's a difference between proof and 'proven.'
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: The Ecstatic]
#25062864 - 03/14/18 12:47 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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So I found proof it was Britain, but I haven't proven it was Britain?
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#25062870 - 03/14/18 12:48 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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You haven't offered a motive for why Britain would kill those particular people. Let's see it.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Enlil]
#25062920 - 03/14/18 01:04 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've provided several motives. To make Russia look bad and lower their international standing. To try and stop the Nord Stream 2 gas line from feeding the EU. To have an excuse for sanctions so they can hurt Russia economically.
Your motive is that Russia finally wants to send a message 14 years after Sergei Skripal's arrest.
Both are valid.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#25062937 - 03/14/18 01:08 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Why these two people though? What do these people have to do with making Russia look bad? Or stopping a gas line?
Your whole theory is some convoluted conspiracy to frame someone for PR purposes. You can't possibly not see how attenuated that is from the evidence we have. You're in Alex Jones territory at this point.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Enlil]
#25062969 - 03/14/18 01:18 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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MagicMush123 said: The evidence is poison. It being russian, is circumstantial and is not direct evidence that russia actually did it. Without any more evidence or proof linking the poisoning to russia, this is pure speculation
Says you. I say we have a motive and a very rare poison that Russia developed. Is that enough proof to convict in a court of law? No. It is, however, proof. It isn't speculation.
So in other words linking it to russia is speculation at this point
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: MagicMush123]
#25062973 - 03/14/18 01:20 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nope. English isn't working, so I'm gonna just have to leave you to your ignorance.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Enlil]
#25062980 - 03/14/18 01:23 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Nope. English isn't working, so I'm gonna just have to leave you to your ignorance.
I man like you probably can speak more languages than just english
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