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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26914677 - 09/02/20 10:11 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Just to document this in case falcon decides to delete it. The second section is not an accurate quote. He manufactured it.

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koods said:
Fun fact: Falcon has used the phrase “make believe” 1776 times



Fun fact.  Most of those are used to describe your posts.

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Can YOU provide an example of what I said that isn't logical?  Or is going to the usual non response proving you are just make believing again?



Fun fact: Falcon has used the phrase “make believe” 1776 times



Ah, the usual non-response proving koods was just make believing again.  :shrug:




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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26914679 - 09/02/20 10:13 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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What was "manufactured"?  Help me understand your grievance.  Or will it be the usual silence or insults?



:fuckyou:
You know exactly what you did because you had to do it intentionally.

I’m really sick of this dishonest bullshit. Are the mods going to do anything about this bad faith crap?

Yes or no. Is this an accurate quote or did you manufacture this conversation?



The fact is you used the quote feature to make up a chain of quotes that never happened. You’re a liar

Edited by koods (09/02/20 10:23 PM)

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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: koods]
    #26914689 - 09/02/20 10:22 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I'm still confused about where I "manufactured" anything, or was "altering quotes".  Can you be more specific?

Or can someone else help koods explain?


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 2
    #26914690 - 09/02/20 10:24 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

nesting quotes that are not in response to each other is pretty bad form.

it would be more appropriate to quote them separately in chronological order if there is a point to be made at all


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: ballsalsa]
    #26914695 - 09/02/20 10:26 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

It’s worse than bad form. It’s a lie. I chose not to respond to what he said, so he just decided to lie and make it seem like I did.

Then he turns around and acts like he doesn’t know what I’m talking about


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“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26914697 - 09/02/20 10:28 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Got it, thanks balls - you often help clarify things for me.  Here it is again.  Better koods?

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Fun fact: Falcon has used the phrase “make believe” 1776 times



Fun fact.  Most of those are used to describe your posts.





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Can YOU provide an example of what I said that isn't logical?  Or is going to the usual non response proving you are just make believing again?



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Fun fact: Falcon has used the phrase “make believe” 1776 times



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Ah, the usual non-response proving koods was just make believing again.  :shrug:



Now, are you going to provide an example of something I said that isn't logical, or were you make believing about that?


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26914700 - 09/02/20 10:29 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

No I’m not. I have no interest in going down your bullshit rabbit hole


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: koods]
    #26914703 - 09/02/20 10:31 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Ah, so you WERE make believing.

Fun fact - I just caught you make believing AGAIN.


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: koods]
    #26914819 - 09/03/20 01:14 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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nesting quotes that are not in response to each other is pretty bad form.



His reply was to me and he was obviously referring to my last post that I used the words "make believe" with him.

Here is the conversation between koods and me:

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Can YOU provide an example of what I said that isn't logical?  Or is going to the usual non response proving you are just make believing again?



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Fun fact: Falcon has used the phrase “make believe” 1776 times, which accounts for 17.8% of the all utterances of the phrase on the shroomery in the past 20+ years




Here is how I presented it:

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koods said:
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Can YOU provide an example of what I said that isn't logical?  Or is going to the usual non response proving you are just make believing again?



Fun fact: Falcon has used the phrase “make believe” 1776 times




Given his reply was to me and referred to the words "make believe", do you really think his post was NOT in response to mine (and in "bad form")?  I really don't see how he can claim that.  :shrug:


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: koods]
    #26914836 - 09/03/20 01:26 AM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Well they did not allow the victim to leave Russia until they believed the toxin would not be traceable



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koods said the poison is not supposed to be detectable after a few days, but the German government says they detected it.



You’re so dishonest



So who said the poison is not supposed to be detectable after a few days, if not you?  Did Russia say that?  Who?

You need to answer, since you're calling me dishonest.


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26915769 - 09/03/20 02:22 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

:hahthatsrich:

Well it's disturbing that whoever is using these toxins is using just enough to not kill someone.

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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Stable Genius]
    #26915778 - 09/03/20 02:29 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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What do you mean by "Russia does not tolerate dissent of any form"?



Ever heard of Pussy Riot?
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-pussyriot-idUSBRE87F1E520120817

https://mg.co.za/article/2012-09-06-putin-we-must-protect-believers-from-pussy-riot


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Asante]
    #26915837 - 09/03/20 03:16 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Is that positively ID'd as the one?

If so, its a relatively boring one!

Fluorophosphates are so First Generation



koods' structure (the agent known as A-234) shows a N-fluorophosphoryl amidine derivative. That is not a first generation nerve agent, regardless of the O-ethyl ester on the other side of the molecule. Or did you mean it was specifically a first generation 'novichok' agent (and hence not really such a 'novichok' any more)?


It's not yet clear (in the publicly available media) which specific nerve agent was involved in the poisoning but it should be possible to detect traces of the nerve agent bound to cholinesterase sites in Navalny's blood or tissue samples. The limit of detection depends on the instrumentation available, so we can speculate all we want on the possible differences between the equipment available in a hospital in Omsk, and that available in Berlin. I'd be quite confident that the Germans will have the more sensitive equipment available in this case.

It seems highly likely that the Russian authorities were involved in the poisoning in some key way.


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: downwardsfromzero]
    #26915943 - 09/03/20 04:35 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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What do you mean by "Russia does not tolerate dissent of any form"?



Ever heard of Pussy Riot?
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-pussyriot-idUSBRE87F1E520120817

https://mg.co.za/article/2012-09-06-putin-we-must-protect-believers-from-pussy-riot



Pussy Riot wasn't arrested for protesting against Putin, that's fake news.  Protesting Putin is allowed in Russia, it and happens all the time (I've seen anti-Putin protests myself in Russia).  Pussy Riot was arrested for trespassing into a private church, and the Russian Orthodox priests don't take that lightly.  When I visited that very same church in Moscow, they wouldn't let me in because I was wearing shorts that day - they told me even THAT would be considered very disrespectful to their church.  Women even had to wear head coverings.

By the way, the penalty in the US for trespassing can be 8 years in prison and / or fines up to $100,000, so it's really no better in the US.


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26915977 - 09/03/20 04:56 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Do you think Pussy Riot would have done prison time in the U.S.? I don't.


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26916035 - 09/03/20 05:30 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

I don't know if they would have done prison time in the US.

What I do know is that the US has stricter penalties available for trespassing.

What I do know is that the US incarcerates 60% more people than Russia, Russia's prison times are shorter, and Russia hasn't executed anyone since 1996.

What I do know is Pussy Riot sang "Shit! Shit! The Lord’s shit!” before they were stopped.

And what I do know is that a lot of the faithful were against Pussy Riot for their behavior in their church.  :shrug:


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26916207 - 09/03/20 06:53 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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What do you mean by "Russia does not tolerate dissent of any form"?



Ever heard of Pussy Riot?
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-pussyriot-idUSBRE87F1E520120817

https://mg.co.za/article/2012-09-06-putin-we-must-protect-believers-from-pussy-riot



Pussy Riot wasn't arrested for protesting against Putin, that's fake news.  Protesting Putin is allowed in Russia, it and happens all the time (I've seen anti-Putin protests myself in Russia).  Pussy Riot was arrested for trespassing into a private church, and the Russian Orthodox priests don't take that lightly.  When I visited that very same church in Moscow, they wouldn't let me in because I was wearing shorts that day - they told me even THAT would be considered very disrespectful to their church.  Women even had to wear head coverings.

By the way, the penalty in the US for trespassing can be 8 years in prison and / or fines up to $100,000, so it's really no better in the US.




Really? Hundreds of ACT UP protesters took over St. Patrick’s Cathedral in 1989. They were by all accounts extremely disrespectful. Some chained themselves to the pews. Not a single one was sentenced to jail time or later poisoned.

https://www.gayinthe80s.com/2019/12/1989-act-up-disrupt-mass-at-st-patricks-cathedral-new-york/

I don’t think it’s common at all, in fact I’d say it’s extremely rare, that someone would go to prison for tresspassing while engaged in peaceful protest. Maybe if they broke into a military compound, but a church is a public space, even if it is technically private property.


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What I do know is Pussy Riot sang "Shit! Shit! The Lord’s shit!” before they were stopped.

And what I do know is that a lot of the faithful were against Pussy Riot for their behavior in their church.  :shrug:




You’re not making an argument about tresspassing. You’re making an argument that they should be punished for offending the faithful.


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26916226 - 09/03/20 07:11 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

Has anybody in modern times done prison time (I'm not talking about being locked up in county for a bit) in the U.S. for something like Pussy Riot's offense?


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26916230 - 09/03/20 07:13 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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:hahthatsrich:

Well it's disturbing that whoever is using these toxins is using just enough to not kill someone.




Yeah this one seems like it could be very intentional dose, although we don’t know if he didn’t drink all his tea. Actually, that story seems a little unlikely. It seems more likely he would have had to ingest the poison while on the plane. These agents are extremely fast acting, especially when taken orally.

The brother of Kim Jung Un who was poisoned through the skin with sarin died in less than 20 minutes


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26916233 - 09/03/20 07:16 PM (3 years, 8 months ago)

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Has anybody in modern times done prison time (I'm not talking about being locked up in county for a bit) in the U.S. for something like Pussy Riot's offense?




This anti-nuke priest is still in jail after two years for breaking into a naval base and smearing blood on buildings

https://thebrunswicknews.com/news/local_news/anti-nuclear-protests-at-kings-bay/article_8ac11cdb-6416-579b-b298-961419776e2a.html


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