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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Asante]
#26914415 - 09/02/20 07:18 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Asante said: Why would Russia use such a "russian" toxin and why not botox or saxitoxin, stuff that is neutral in origin?
Not saying that this is the case, but would there not be some intimidation inherent to everyone knowing that you poison the shit out of your enemies but not being able to "prove" it?
Conversely, there could be value in framing your political enemies if you had access to the same sorts of nerve agents and everyone already suspects them of poisoning people.
Of the two, I would think that the greater value is in eliminating an enemy and also intimidating potential dissidents.
The CIA or some such could poison the guy and get most folks to believe putin did it but what do they really gain other than another example of behavior the general public already accepts as "normal" for putin?
some other player interested in knocking the dude off? maybe, but where did they get the novichok shit? I'm no chemist, I suppose. for all I know the reagents and equipment necessary are abundant and easy to get. Seems like probably not though or guys would be knocking each other off with the shit left and right. there would be lab accidents and shit that we would hear about
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: ballsalsa]
#26914417 - 09/02/20 07:21 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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It’s pretty clear Putin is sending a message “I can get you anytime and anywhere”
Everyone knows he’s behind it, but then Putin asslickers get to demand sources or make believe
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: koods]
#26914427 - 09/02/20 07:27 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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koods said: It’s pretty clear Putin is sending a message “I can get you anytime and anywhere”
Everyone knows he’s behind it, but then Putin asslickers get to demand sources or make believe
It's pretty clear why people voted you King of Make Believe.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: ballsalsa]
#26914430 - 09/02/20 07:28 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said: Not saying that this is the case, but would there not be some intimidation inherent to everyone knowing that you poison the shit out of your enemies but not being able to "prove" it?
Conversely, there could be value in framing your political enemies if you had access to the same sorts of nerve agents and everyone already suspects them of poisoning people.
Of the two, I would think that the greater value is in eliminating an enemy and also intimidating potential dissidents.
The CIA or some such could poison the guy and get most folks to believe putin did it but what do they really gain other than another example of behavior the general public already accepts as "normal" for putin?
some other player interested in knocking the dude off? maybe, but where did they get the novichok shit? I'm no chemist, I suppose. for all I know the reagents and equipment necessary are abundant and easy to get. Seems like probably not though or guys would be knocking each other off with the shit left and right. there would be lab accidents and shit that we would hear about
Good questions. I'll answer shortly.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: ballsalsa]
#26914486 - 09/02/20 08:04 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said: Not saying that this is the case, but would there not be some intimidation inherent to everyone knowing that you poison the shit out of your enemies but not being able to "prove" it?
Conversely, there could be value in framing your political enemies if you had access to the same sorts of nerve agents and everyone already suspects them of poisoning people.
Of the two, I would think that the greater value is in eliminating an enemy and also intimidating potential dissidents.
The CIA or some such could poison the guy and get most folks to believe putin did it but what do they really gain other than another example of behavior the general public already accepts as "normal" for putin?
Russia is no longer the USSR. It is full of people from different parties, and Navalny was never a threat to Putin (he only polled at 2%, and couldn't even win a seat in a local election, though I think koods likes to make believe he was threatening to take over the country with his 2% polling). The real threat to Putin is the Communist Party, which is still very popular in Russia (capitalism hasn't been too great for many Russians).
If the Russian Government poisoned Navalny or wanted him dead, he wouldn't be in Germany right now.
Russia is slowly gaining power again, and NATO doesn't like it one bit. NATO needs reasons to demonize and sanction Russia, and this is a good one.
I'll bet we see chatter for the cancellation of the Nordstream II pipeline over this, as western Big Oil is desperately trying to block it.
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ballsalsa said: some other player interested in knocking the dude off? maybe, but where did they get the novichok shit? I'm no chemist, I suppose. for all I know the reagents and equipment necessary are abundant and easy to get. Seems like probably not though or guys would be knocking each other off with the shit left and right. there would be lab accidents and shit that we would hear about
My wife is in a job where she knows exactly who makes and sells novichok, including the US and China. Sales are supposed to be limited for research purposes, but the US Govt could easily get their hands on some it if they wanted it.
So what do I think happened to Navalny? I don't know, but we've just seen a nice contradiction in evidence that is suspicious: koods said the poison is not supposed to be detectable after a few days, but the German government says they detected it.
By the way - it appears to be the German Government making the claim of Novichok, not German doctors.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26914496 - 09/02/20 08:09 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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the ability to detect the presence of a substance is not necessarily static. depends on technology and methods. What koods said could be true. It is possible for one party to believe a thing beyond detection and another party succeed in detecting it.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: ballsalsa]
#26914505 - 09/02/20 08:14 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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koods said the poison is not supposed to be detectable after a few days, but the German government says they detected it.
You’re so dishonest
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Well they did not allow the victim to leave Russia until they believed the toxin would not be traceable
Russia is a failed, practically third world country and their medical technology is decades behind Germany
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: ballsalsa]
#26914507 - 09/02/20 08:14 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Why is it that Falcon seems pretty logical about every subject - but then when it comes to Russia it's like his brain turns off and follows this coded script? I'm not sure how many signs you have to ignore to get the point across that Russia has moderately aggressive geopolitical aims, does not tolerate dissent of any form, and there is a strong desire to consolidate control under one leader.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: twighead]
#26914514 - 09/02/20 08:19 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Falcon loves authoritarian dictators.
Have you noticed that as trump gets more authoritarian, Falcon seems to defend him more and more?
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: koods]
#26914519 - 09/02/20 08:23 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Falcon is hardly logical on any subject these days
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: twighead]
#26914603 - 09/02/20 09:29 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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twighead said: Falcon seems pretty logical about every subject - but then when it comes to Russia it's like his brain turns off and follows this coded script
What have I said about Russia that is illogical?
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twighead said: Russia has moderately aggressive geopolitical aims, does not tolerate dissent of any form, and there is a strong desire to consolidate control under one leader.
What do you mean by "Russia does not tolerate dissent of any form"?
Even if your other points are true, what have I said about Russia that is illogical?
Every time people I ask people to show me examples of make believe, or show me examples of what I said that was illogical, I always get silence or ridicule, but never actual examples to learn with.
Can YOU maybe please provide an example of something what I said that was illogical? Seriously, I'm trying to learn here.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: koods]
#26914609 - 09/02/20 09:31 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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koods said: Falcon loves authoritarian dictators.
Make believe.
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koods said: Have you noticed that as trump gets more authoritarian, Falcon seems to defend him more and more?
I don't defend Trump, I only defend the constant make believe about Trump. If it were up to me, make believe (lying) would be a bannable offense if done repeatedly, like our King loves to do.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: koods]
#26914612 - 09/02/20 09:32 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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koods said: Falcon is hardly logical on any subject these days
Can YOU provide an example of what I said that isn't logical? Or is going to the usual non response proving you are just make believing again?
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: ballsalsa]
#26914621 - 09/02/20 09:37 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said: the ability to detect the presence of a substance is not necessarily static. depends on technology and methods. What koods said could be true. It is possible for one party to believe a thing beyond detection and another party succeed in detecting it.
Ok - but whose "technology and methods" said that novichok is only detectable for two days? Russia, or the West?
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26914636 - 09/02/20 09:45 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Fun fact: Falcon has used the phrase “make believe” 1776 times, which accounts for 17.8% of the all utterances of the phrase on the shroomery in the past 20+ years
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: koods]
#26914647 - 09/02/20 09:50 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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koods said: Fun fact: Falcon has used the phrase “make believe” 1776 times
Fun fact. Most of those are used to describe your posts.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Can YOU provide an example of what I said that isn't logical? Or is going to the usual non response proving you are just make believing again?
Fun fact: Falcon has used the phrase “make believe” 1776 times
Ah, the usual non-response proving koods was just make believing again.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26914652 - 09/02/20 09:55 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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There you are fraudulently editing quotes to make it seem like I’m responding to something I have no interest in responding to. Again. You have no shame.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: koods]
#26914667 - 09/02/20 10:04 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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Exactly. You have no interest in providing an example of what I said that isn't logical.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26914670 - 09/02/20 10:07 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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I don’t give a fuck what you think you’re entitled to. You have no right to manufacture a conversation by abusing the quote feature. You’re such a fucking liar.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: koods]
#26914676 - 09/02/20 10:10 PM (3 years, 8 months ago) |
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What was "manufactured"? Help me understand your grievance. Or will it be the usual silence or insults?
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