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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Tantrika]
    #26409229 - 12/31/19 11:59 AM (4 years, 4 months ago)

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personally have some objections to koods sentiments that altered quotes should be a bannable offense
but if the administrative staff of the site views the alteration of quotes and quote chains to portray a different message as a bannable offense, then that is on them
but wish that it were made more transparent somewhere in the rules as to what parameters qualify as valid or not

comprehend that you may dislike that they ignored posts you made while they were having the conversation portraying you in a distasteful way,
but that still does not make your portrayal of how things played out an accurate one; koods did not call you untethered from reality because you asked feldman for proof, it was a statement (wrong or not) about his perceptions of your broader personality and focus on particular issues over others

if anything, you could likely completely remove the "There was a vote" line from their quote chain and still have their conversation take place exactly as they intended it to



Thanks Tantrika, I sincerely appreciate you weighing in!  :heart:


It's an interesting take that you feel "there was a vote" could have been removed.  I thought that was exactly why he felt I was untethered from reality.

If he was indeed making a broader statement about my personality, then I challenge koods to a signature bet:

I'll bring up a make believe statment from koods, and then he brings up one from me.  We go back and forth until one of us can't find anymore and then that person loses.  Loser's signature has to say "I was wrong for thinking that (loser) was more dishonest than me.  I am sorry."  Loser's signature has to remain clearly visible for 3 months.

We need a judge to determine whether something is make believe or not, and I nominate you since you took koods' side on this. 

Koods are you in, or are going to make excuses?  If you make excuses, I'll change the rules to say I have to bring up TWO make believe statements for every ONE you bring up about me.  Sound good?


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: koods]
    #26409239 - 12/31/19 12:07 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

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He doesn’t like that people ignore his demands for sources, but I simply don’t waste my time anymore because it is a futile effort.



No, you don't waste your time because you know damn well there was no vote to remove Yanukovych.

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What pissed me off more than him doing it, was that he’s spent this entire time trying to justify unjustifiable behavior.



What pissed me off is that you keep ignoring that I was simply explaining why I did what I did, but I agreed it shouldn't happen again and I even proposed a new rule (that you completely ignored so can keep make believing I'm dishonest).

Let's do the above signature bet and we'll see who is the king of make believe.


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26409470 - 12/31/19 02:30 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

I’m gonna do this just to demonstrate why it is pointless to debate you and provide the sources you demand. No doubt you will tell us this doesn’t count 

Ukrainian MPs vote to oust President Yanukovych


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26409509 - 12/31/19 03:04 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

I asked:  Do you think the US had a right to implement or even support regime change in Ukraine without letting the Ukrainian voters have a say?

Then I said:  you know damn well there was no vote to remove Yanukovych.

The MPs, whose vote you just linked to, didn't ask the people of Ukraine (especially the people of Crimea) if they wanted their election results overturned.


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26409512 - 12/31/19 03:05 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

See. It’s pointless.


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: koods]
    #26409516 - 12/31/19 03:07 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

What's pointless?  The question was if the people had a say in Yanukovych's coup, and the answer was it was the MPs decision.  Are we in disagreement about this?


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26409528 - 12/31/19 03:16 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

are the MP's elected representatives?
I don't have any real knowledge of the Ukrainian political system, but the process sounds analogous to an impeachment/removal or a vote of no confidence.


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: ballsalsa]
    #26409559 - 12/31/19 03:45 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

That's exactly the kind of discussion I wished I'd have with koods, but instead he always cries about debating me.

The question is really whether the Ukrainian constitution allowed the Ukrainian members of parliament to vote Yanukovych out.

I'd like to have that discussion.


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26409595 - 12/31/19 04:27 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Good luck with that


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: ballsalsa]
    #26409607 - 12/31/19 04:41 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

I'll start the discussion since I think you and others might be interested, and we all know koods can't handle the truth.  Anyone here should feel free to correct me if I'm wrong about anything, because unlike koods, I'm more interested in knowing the truth than winning an argument.

Yes, Ukraine has an impeachment process.  No, they didn't follow it.

Instead, protesters in Kiev forced Yanukovych to flee the country for his life (Yanukovych even said his convoy was shot at by protestors), and parliament then passed a resolution that Yanukovych had removed himself from fulfilling his constitutional duties.

Yanukovych made it very clear he had no intention of giving up the Presidency, but parliament voted him out anyway for the reason above.


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26409612 - 12/31/19 04:46 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

So you already knew about the vote, yet you spent 10 pages demanding a source. This isn’t good faith debating.


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26409614 - 12/31/19 04:50 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

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I asked:  Do you think the US had a right to implement or even support regime change in Ukraine without letting the Ukrainian voters have a say?

Then I said:  you know damn well there was no vote to remove Yanukovych.



So was there a vote by the Ukrainian people, including Crimea, or wasn't there?

Yes, I knew about unconstitutional vote by parliament.  I seem to know far more about the events in Ukraine that you do.


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: koods] * 1
    #26409615 - 12/31/19 04:50 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

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See. It’s pointless.






dude, you're delusional.  The Ukranians (as in the entirety of the citizens of Ukraine) didn't vote; the parliament voted.

HUGE FUCKING DIFFERENCE  :facepalm:



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I’m gonna do this just to demonstrate why it is pointless to debate you and provide the sources you demand. No doubt you will tell us this doesn’t count 

Ukrainian MPs vote to oust President Yanukovych




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I asked:  Do you think the US had a right to implement or even support regime change in Ukraine without letting the Ukrainian voters have a say?

Then I said:  you know damn well there was no vote to remove Yanukovych.

The MPs, whose vote you just linked to, didn't ask the people of Ukraine (especially the people of Crimea) if they wanted their election results overturned.





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See. It’s pointless.




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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Tulipslave] * 1
    #26409618 - 12/31/19 04:52 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Thank you.  :toast:

It's important for both koods and me that others like you, Tantrika, and balls weigh in.


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Tulipslave] * 3
    #26409621 - 12/31/19 04:54 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

I feel like moderators should have to request a different moderator to ban someone, if the conflict directly involves them. Checks and balances, and all that jazz. I can't see Enlil ever banning someone over something so fucking petty and stupid.


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26409622 - 12/31/19 04:55 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

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Thank you.  :toast:

It's important for both koods and me that others like you, Tantrika, and balls weigh in.






wording is everything.  if the word "Ukranians" had not been included, koods would be right on this.  but Ukranians are not limited to the Parliamentary members, just like saying "Americans" wouldn't be the same as Congress.

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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Tulipslave]
    #26409647 - 12/31/19 05:18 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Falcon thinks the parliament vote was unconstitutional, but he has no problem with Russia invading Ukraine and annexing their territory. There’s no consistency except favoring the Russian point of view.


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Tulipslave]
    #26409651 - 12/31/19 05:20 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

Exactly.  And I'm not trying to get koods with any "gotchas".  I just want everyone to know what really happened.


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26409654 - 12/31/19 05:21 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

It wasn’t even my argument. Your discussion was with Feldman. Take it up with him.


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: koods]
    #26409675 - 12/31/19 05:32 PM (4 years, 4 months ago)

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Falcon thinks the parliament vote was unconstitutional, but he has no problem with Russia invading Ukraine and annexing their territory.



If an illegal coup made Putin President of the US, would the country still have to follow the Constitution with him as President?

And I've asked before "What evidence do you have that Russia entered Crimea by force?"


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