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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Stable Genius]
#26375040 - 12/11/19 01:01 PM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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It’s everywhere tho. For every story, there’s a counter story, or whataboutism. Facts are not commonly held.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: koods]
#26375051 - 12/11/19 01:10 PM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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Watching the news on Hong Kong last month, same thing, people running around spreading crazy conspiracy stories about the U.S. being behind the chaos etc, blurting these stories back to the reporter as real news.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Stable Genius] 1
#26375127 - 12/11/19 01:51 PM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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The US has been the CCPs propaganda equiv to our USSR/Russia/Nazis/terrurists/communists since its inception 
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Stable Genius]
#26380047 - 12/13/19 07:26 PM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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Stable Genius said: Watching the news on Hong Kong last month, same thing, people running around spreading crazy conspiracy stories about the U.S. being behind the chaos etc, blurting these stories back to the reporter as real news.
Falcon thinks it’s perfectly fine to make up quoted conversations that never happened. Then he doubles down when I call him out. This coming from a guy who says he’s dedicated to the truth. This is the worst aspect of the Trump era. Some people have learned that if you just lie hard enough if becomes truth.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: feldman114] 2
#26395217 - 12/22/19 09:09 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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feldman114 said:
It’s true though
But ok: A joint statement by the FBI, NSA and CIA is evidence
personally, i don't take something as evidence (aka proof, undeniable truth, etc.) when it comes from "sources" known historically for lying and breaking rules/laws AND/OR that was founded or run by liars. the FBI was founded on lies. the CIA has been caught countless times breaking laws, lying, instigating and supporting revolutions, torturing people (even to this day in Guantanamo), and so on.
real life: i had a friend that fucked me over on a moderate personal financial loan i made when they were destitute about to lose their vehicle which would have caused them to lose their job and house, a friend of 13 years who had been mostly a good friend. now, why on earth would i ever loan money or trust this person with anything again? for a "smart" person, being lied to or taken advantage of once is all it takes.
/end rant
now if you want to believe an authority is honest and forthright just because they are they authority and say they are right, that's your business.
that's called common sense.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: koods] 2
#26395232 - 12/22/19 09:25 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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koods said: It’s everywhere tho. For every story, there’s a counter story, or whataboutism. Facts are not commonly held.
you don't think this is intentional?
divide/separate and conquer. the more divisions, the more fighting and in-fighting, which leads to further divisions.
reading this thread is like listening to Steve Inskeep on NPR, that old deceitful bastard, who wields words in just the right way that you have to really pay attention to catch his bullshit.
with the improvement of video editing and audio technology, the "deep-fakes" are only going to become more prolific and more realistic. i should start taking photos of myself with a rum-drink in a coconut in front of a pool and a palm-tree and start telling everyone i'm in Hawaii or Vietnam.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Tulipslave]
#26396339 - 12/22/19 08:43 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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koods said: It’s everywhere tho. For every story, there’s a counter story, or whataboutism. Facts are not commonly held.
you don't think this is intentional? ...
prolly not, moreso a proliferation of sources and reporters
it used to be that obscure regional stories stayed regional everyone in my hometown knew about the guy who fucked the horse; but if he had done it in the current climate, the local news would have been an online publication that people against beastiality could link to as an example of deprived individuals everywhere sexually abusing animals
it could be going someplace intentional tho
deep-fake technology you refer to is definitely a concern; however, it is a concern in the sense that there will be organizational pushes of one narrative while the amateur/citizen capacity to produce counter narratives will diminish due to technological limitations and requirements in production
that's not to say citizen-scale organizations don't have access; just that the barriers to entry in terms of skill and cost are higher
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26396609 - 12/23/19 12:56 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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feldman114 said: He ordered the murder of 100+ people
Source or make believe?
***crickets***
Interestingly, I just found an article with a detailed analysis of the massacre.
The Buried Maidan Massacre and Its Misrepresentation by the West
This guy did the most extensive analyses of the massacre to date bringing together all the vast amount of video evidence that is available. He showed that the snipers were firing from buildings that were under control of Ukrainian rebels.
Interestingly, shortly after the massacre, the Ukrainian Government passed a law saying that no one who participated in the protests would be prosecuted of crimes.
For those who don't want to read the article, he also put out a bunch of videos. Here's one of them (WARNING - contains graphic content):
Here's the others (I haven't watched any others yet as they're quite a bit longer).
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCdU7AEvOYc7cR1w-blCe5Lg
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26397035 - 12/23/19 09:08 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
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feldman114 said: He ordered the murder of 100+ people
Source or make believe?
***crickets***
Feldman is banned
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: relic] 1
#26397267 - 12/23/19 11:39 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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And the rest of us don’t care
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: koods]
#26397379 - 12/23/19 12:38 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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You don't care that protestors were being shot from rebel controlled buildings?
Oh I forgot, you're the king of make believe. Of course you don't care about reality.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: koods] 2
#26397434 - 12/23/19 01:07 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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koods said: And the rest of us don’t care
....because it doesn't fit your narrative
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 3
#26407087 - 12/30/19 12:25 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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And Wikileaks just released more damning information proving the Douma chemical attack was fake news:
Media’s Deafening Silence On Latest WikiLeaks Drops Is Its Own Scandal
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This new WikiLeaks drop includes an email from the OPCW Chief of Cabinet Sebastien Braha throwing a fit over the Ian Henderson Engineering Assessment which found that the Douma incident was likely a staged event. Braha is seen ordering OPCW staff to “remove all traces, if any, of its delivery/storage/whatever” from the organisation’s secure registry.
The drop also includes the minutes from an OPCW toxicology meeting:
“With respect to the consistency of the observed and reported symptoms of the alleged victims with possible exposure to chlorine gas or similar, the experts were conclusive in their statements that there was no correlation between symptoms and chlorine exposure”
According to the leaked minutes from the toxicology meeting, the chief expert offered “the possibility of the event being a propaganda exercise” as one potential explanation for the Douma incident.
None of the important information contained in these publications was included in any of the OPCW’s public reports on the matter. According to the OPCW’s Final Report published in March 2019, the investigative team found “reasonable grounds that the use of a toxic chemical as a weapon took place. This toxic chemical contained reactive chlorine".
Yet the mass media, freakishly, has had absolutely nothing to say about this extremely newsworthy story.
If you don't like Caitlin Johnstone, here's the original Wikileaks article: https://wikileaks.org/opcw-douma/#OPCW-DOUMA%20-%20Release%20Part%204
This is very interesting news for truth seekers, but makes Julian Assange's release less likely.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 1
#26407383 - 12/30/19 07:40 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Another part of the dump that the containers found showed no signs of being dropped from an airplane and were most likely PLACED there from the ground.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Tulipslave] 1
#26407581 - 12/30/19 10:31 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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This should be all over the mainstream news, but not a single one is covering it. This is, however, big news on any outlet that is worth a damn.
WikiLeaks Jimmy Dore RT America Caitlin Johnstone Global Research Moon of Alabama
and others not owned by Comcast, Disney, Time Warner, Fox, or ViacomCBS
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 1
#26407586 - 12/30/19 10:40 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: And Wikileaks just released more damning information proving the Douma chemical attack was fake news:
Media’s Deafening Silence On Latest WikiLeaks Drops Is Its Own Scandal
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This new WikiLeaks drop includes an email from the OPCW Chief of Cabinet Sebastien Braha throwing a fit over the Ian Henderson Engineering Assessment which found that the Douma incident was likely a staged event. Braha is seen ordering OPCW staff to “remove all traces, if any, of its delivery/storage/whatever” from the organisation’s secure registry.
The drop also includes the minutes from an OPCW toxicology meeting:
“With respect to the consistency of the observed and reported symptoms of the alleged victims with possible exposure to chlorine gas or similar, the experts were conclusive in their statements that there was no correlation between symptoms and chlorine exposure”
According to the leaked minutes from the toxicology meeting, the chief expert offered “the possibility of the event being a propaganda exercise” as one potential explanation for the Douma incident.
None of the important information contained in these publications was included in any of the OPCW’s public reports on the matter. According to the OPCW’s Final Report published in March 2019, the investigative team found “reasonable grounds that the use of a toxic chemical as a weapon took place. This toxic chemical contained reactive chlorine".
Yet the mass media, freakishly, has had absolutely nothing to say about this extremely newsworthy story.
If you don't like Caitlin Johnstone, here's the original Wikileaks article: https://wikileaks.org/opcw-douma/#OPCW-DOUMA%20-%20Release%20Part%204
This is very interesting news for truth seekers, but makes Julian Assange's release less likely.
Unfortunately, for the Koods' of the world, wikileaks has been discredited as a news source by MSN, CNN, and FOX News.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#26407641 - 12/30/19 11:19 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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At least most people here understand the difference between the mainstream news and alternative news. I just got into a discussion yesterday where no one believed this.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26407885 - 12/30/19 02:30 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: At least most people here understand the difference between the mainstream news and alternative news. I just got into a discussion yesterday where no one believed this.
Nobody believed there was alternative news?
Shit, there's an alternative right wing news outlet advertising itself as such right on youtube. Honestly though, if they aren't talking about lizard people, conspiracy nonsense, or Alex Jonesism type shit... I'm ok with it. Probably better than Fox News. I'd rather right wingers be riled up about Epstein than the 'war on xmas'...
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#26407953 - 12/30/19 03:05 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Bigbadwooof said: Nobody believed there was alternative news?
I meant nobody believed that the mainstream media won't put out certain types of news like the OPCW scandal.
My friends felt if something's not in the mainstream news, it can't be trusted. Again, like the OPCW scandal.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 1
#26407972 - 12/30/19 03:15 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Bigbadwooof said: Nobody believed there was alternative news?
I meant nobody believed that the mainstream media won't put out certain types of news like the OPCW scandal.
My friends felt if something's not in the mainstream news, it can't be trusted. Again, like the OPCW scandal.
Is your friend Koods?
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