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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: koods]
    #26370818 - 12/09/19 12:13 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Still waiting for feldman114's proof that there was a vote by the people to remove President Viktor Yanukovych from power.  Can you help him, or are you shameless?


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: feldman114]
    #26371064 - 12/09/19 02:44 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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feldman114 said:
There was a vote.
FFS your talking points are straight from Russian TV. AKA complete self-serving BS, predicted on more BS, supported by BS, and believed by dogma-ridden weak-brained couch-activists.




He has to be doing this on purpose. Nobody could be so dedicated to propaganda and not realize how unteathered from reality they have become


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: koods] * 1
    #26371092 - 12/09/19 02:57 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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Still waiting for feldman114's proof that there was a vote by the people to remove President Viktor Yanukovych from power.  Can you help him, or are you shameless?



He wasn’t removed. He ordered the murder of 100+ people and then he FLED TO RUSSIA.

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There was a vote.
FFS your talking points are straight from Russian TV. AKA complete self-serving BS, predicted on more BS, supported by BS, and believed by dogma-ridden weak-brained couch-activists.




He has to be doing this on purpose. Nobody could be so dedicated to propaganda and not realize how unteathered from reality they have become




Yeah, you were right. Idk where you get the patience to keep responding to him in all the political threads. You must be a preschool teacher or a fisherman or something.

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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: feldman114]
    #26371098 - 12/09/19 03:00 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Falcon declares that he cares about corruption by then sides almost exclusively with the most corrupt people on earth: I think this is why he’s warming up to Trump. Trump doesn’t kill reporters yet so falcon is reserving his full support


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: koods]
    #26371220 - 12/09/19 03:49 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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koods said:
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
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feldman114 said:
There was a vote.



Source, or make believe?



He has to be doing this on purpose. Nobody could be so dedicated to propaganda and not realize how unteathered from reality they have become



Then show me a source with the vote, or it's clearly you who's unteathered from reality.


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26371254 - 12/09/19 03:59 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Can you please stop making up quotes. It’s very dishonest


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: feldman114]
    #26371391 - 12/09/19 04:48 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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He ordered the murder of 100+ people



Source or make believe?

I don't know how many times I've asked you and koods for evidence to support your claims.  Instead of evidence, you both you both accuse me of being a Putin bot for not playing make believe with you.  I don't play make believe.  Sorry.

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Idk where you get the patience to keep responding to him in all the political threads. You must be a preschool teacher or a fisherman or something.



I WISHED koods (or you) would respond with evidence for once.  Let's just start with this latest claim.  :popcorn:


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Edited by Falcon91Wolvrn03 (12/09/19 05:03 PM)

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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: koods]
    #26371400 - 12/09/19 04:52 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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Can you please stop making up quotes. It’s very dishonest



Can you please tell me which quote I made up?  :popcorn:


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26371417 - 12/09/19 04:57 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

This is the actual conversation

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koods said:
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feldman114 said:
There was a vote.
FFS your talking points are straight from Russian TV. AKA complete self-serving BS, predicted on more BS, supported by BS, and believed by dogma-ridden weak-brained couch-activists.




He has to be doing this on purpose. Nobody could be so dedicated to propaganda and not realize how unteathered from reality they have become




You changed it to this. This quoted conversation never happened because you made it up. It is a lie.

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
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feldman114 said:
There was a vote.



Source, or make believe?



He has to be doing this on purpose. Nobody could be so dedicated to propaganda and not realize how unteathered from reality they have become




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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26371425 - 12/09/19 04:59 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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Idk where you get the patience to keep responding to him in all the political threads. You must be a preschool teacher or a fisherman or something.




You did it again. I never said that. You are so fucking dishonest.


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: koods]
    #26371455 - 12/09/19 05:15 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

And here’s the vote. Held just months after Yanukovych fled the country

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Ukrainian_presidential_election


Or maybe he meant the vote held by parliament to strip Yanukovych of the presidency.

Either way the process was quite democratic which is why Falcon doesn’t like it. He likes dictators.


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: koods]
    #26371880 - 12/09/19 08:51 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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Falcon declares that he cares about corruption by then sides almost exclusively with the most corrupt people on earth



For maybe the 10th time, I'll always take the side of evidence, not the side of make believe.  You've already admitted you'll side with make believe.

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This is the actual conversation

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koods said:
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feldman114 said:
There was a vote.
FFS your talking points are straight from Russian TV. AKA complete self-serving BS, predicted on more BS, supported by BS, and believed by dogma-ridden weak-brained couch-activists.




He has to be doing this on purpose. Nobody could be so dedicated to propaganda and not realize how unteathered from reality they have become




You changed it to this. This quoted conversation never happened because you made it up. It is a lie.

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feldman114 said:
There was a vote.



Source, or make believe?



He has to be doing this on purpose. Nobody could be so dedicated to propaganda and not realize how unteathered from reality they have become






Actually, you edited out my 'source or make believe?' comment.  Regardless, please show me either the "BS", or that there was a vote by the people (including Crimeans) to remove President Yanukovych from power.  Otherwise, it was clearly a coup.

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And here’s the vote. Held just months after Yanukovych fled the country

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Ukrainian_presidential_election



:facepalm3:  Did the people of Ukraine (which includes Crimea) vote in favor of the coup?

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Or maybe he meant the vote held by parliament to strip Yanukovych of the presidency.

Either way the process was quite democratic which is why Falcon doesn’t like it. He likes dictators.



Coups are now 'democratic'?  :flowstone:

Where is the vote to remove Yanukovych, that included the Crimean people?

By the way, Yanukovych fled the country for his life.  Shots were fired as his motorcade as it was leaving, and he said intelligence told him that mercenaries were hired to execute him.  Luckily for him he fled by helicopter rather than the motorcade decoy.


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26371901 - 12/09/19 09:07 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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Can you please provide an example like I've been asking for of where I deny things with evidence, or where I claim things are true without evidence?



***crickets***

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Do you have anything better than what koods posted, or shall we discuss his videos further?



***crickets***

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Do you think the US had a right to implement or even support regime change in Ukraine without letting the Ukrainian voters have a say?



There was a vote.



Source?  Or make believe?



***crickets***

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He ordered the murder of 100+ people



Source or make believe?



***crickets***


C'mon Feldman, are you just making all this shit up, or can you help me understand you point of view with a little evidence?


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26371905 - 12/09/19 09:09 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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Actually, you edited out my 'source or make believe?' comment. 




This is a fucking lie. What the fuck is wrong with you?


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: koods]
    #26371923 - 12/09/19 09:31 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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Actually, you edited out my 'source or make believe?' comment. 



This is a fucking lie. What the fuck is wrong with you?



Source


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26371927 - 12/09/19 09:37 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Keep on lying


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26371931 - 12/09/19 09:42 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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Invasion - "the act of an army entering another country by force in order to take control of it".

What evidence do you have that Russia entered Crimea by force?  Crimea wanted Russian support.



***crickets***

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Still waiting for feldman114's proof that there was a vote by the people to remove President Viktor Yanukovych from power.



***crickets***

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Did the people of Ukraine (which includes Crimea) vote in favor of the coup?



***crickets***


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26374478 - 12/11/19 06:49 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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By the way, I recently posted:  "Bellingcat is also a questionable source, as they are partially funded by the CIA and NATO, and support pro US Government positions.  Even Robert Parry and Craig Murray question their conclusions."

I also caught them fibbing here, so I haven't been very impressed with their results at all.





I was just reading this on the disinformation surrounding this case.
The journalist lays the blame on pro Russian news outlets like...... RT

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By the time May made her allegation in Parliament, a Russian campaign to discredit it was already in full swing. In just the first week after the attempted
assassination, according to five British officials who spoke with me, the U.K. government tracked 11 alternative theories
about the Skripal poisoning that all originated in Russia.
A March 2019 report by King’s College London found that Russian-government funded outlets RT and Sputnik alone were responsible
for 138 separate and often contradictory narratives about the Skripal poisoning in the four weeks following the incident.




https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2019/12/britain-russia-nato-disinformation/602836/

It appears Bellingcat isn't alone when it comes to "questionable sources".

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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Stable Genius]
    #26374485 - 12/11/19 06:59 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

I’m actually starting to get a little concerned about the level of disinformation we see with nearly every topic. I’m more pessimistic about the future than ever.


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: koods]
    #26375033 - 12/11/19 12:57 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

There always seems to be another story behind the main story.
Half the story with those 2 spies adds up, other bits don't.

The Atlantic story didn't point to anything specific though, so... I don't know.

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