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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26366219 - 12/07/19 03:08 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Not at airport. Before the referendum







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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: koods]
    #26366865 - 12/07/19 12:42 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

I'll explain what your videos show, since you're obviously clueless:

1.  The first video shows armed men ready to defend Crimea from Ukraine.  A volunteer who was interviewed standing less than 100 meters from the military looking men said "these people are armed self defense... they're ours".  Is that the best Voice of America can do to show election interference???
2.  The second video shows military forces going shopping.  No one in the video looks concerned.  It then cuts to a completely separate polling scene where young voters were being cheered for voting for the first time (no evidence of Russian soldiers).  Finally it cuts to an anti-Ukrainian protest in the Ukrainian city of Kharkiv, which is very far from Crimea.

No signs of Russian troops scaring voters.  Is that really the best you can find??? 


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26366986 - 12/07/19 01:22 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

This whole thread is fake news.  Koods do you work for a "news" agency?


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: meltdowner]
    #26367246 - 12/07/19 03:55 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Defend Crimea from Ukraine? At that point in time it’d be like saying defend Alaska from the United States...
I’m sorry, this is just obv a waste of time.

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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: feldman114]
    #26367404 - 12/07/19 05:09 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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Defend Crimea from Ukraine? At that point in time it’d be like saying defend Alaska from the United States...



So many things wrong with your analogy:

1.  Alaska wasn't part of another country for hundreds of years like Crimea was part of Russia before Khrushchev gave it to Ukraine.
2.  The vast majority of Alaskans aren't ethnic (name a country), like most Crimeans are ethnic Russians.
3.  Most Alaskans don't want to separate from the US, but Crimeans have a history of not wanting to be part of Ukraine.  In 1991, 93.26 percent of Crimean voters voted to become an Autonomous Republic within the Soviet Union.  Then there was almost another referendum for Crimea’s independence from Ukraine, but Kiev banned it.
4.  A recent Pew poll showed that 93% of Crimeans are happy under Russia (but you knew that because we've already had this discussion).

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I’m sorry, this is just obv a waste of time.



It's all about the evidence.  If you have no evidence to support your position, then of course it's a waste of time.  I've given you plenty of reasons why your Alaska analogy wasn't very good.  Maybe you can give me some reasons why it is?

I've also explained why the koods videos showed nothing about voter intimidation, and if you disagree, we should have further discussion about those.  I'm seriously open minded about this, but you seem frustrated that you can't find anything, while I can.  :shrug:


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26368524 - 12/08/19 08:28 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Alaska WAS part of Russia dude.

Fuck idk why I keep doing this...

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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: feldman114]
    #26369118 - 12/08/19 01:30 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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Alaska WAS part of Russia dude.



Excellent, we're making progress.  So let's look at your example further:

1.4% of Alaska is ethnic Russian, while 68% of Crimeans are ethnic Russian.

Crimea belonged to Russia for 171 years until Khrushchev gave it to Ukraine, while Alaska was part of the United States for the last 152 years (not Russia).

96% of Crimeans wanted to rejoin Russia.  I have no idea how many Alaskans want to join Russia, do you?  Maybe the 1.4% who are ethnic Russian?  Most of them came to Alaska AFTER it was already American so I doubt it, but if you have numbers, I'd love to look at them.

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Fuck idk why I keep doing this...



Because I'm actually willing to have an honest discussion with you.  I've provided you evidence of the US choosing Ukrainian leadership before the coup, I've provided evidence of US leadership riling up anti-Russia support in Kiev, I've provided statistics about how pro-Russian people are in Crimea.

I'm still waiting for you to provide a video proving Russian soldiers intimidated voters in Crimea.  Do you have anything better than what koods posted, or shall we discuss his videos further?


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26369216 - 12/08/19 02:41 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Russia invaded another country. There’s really nothing to argue about .


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: koods]
    #26369225 - 12/08/19 02:51 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

There is clear evidence we orchestrated the coup of the Ukrainian President BEFORE the Crimean referendum.  There's really nothing to argue about.


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26369381 - 12/08/19 04:18 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Quite the imagination you have there


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: koods]
    #26369424 - 12/08/19 04:42 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Shall I repost the leaked Victoria Nuland tape?  Oh wait, I did that many times, and your response was:

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Victoria Nuland said:
I don't think Klitsch should go into the government. I don't think it's necessary, I don't think it's a good idea.

I think Yats is the guy who's got the economic experience, the governing experience.



Sounds like two people discussing politics. You are really out on a limb with this turkey burger.



Who should be installed after an illegal coup that hasn't happened is just discussing politics?!?  :shocked:



She was talking about the person she thought would be the best for the US. It's her job. There's absolutely nothing to indicate they are anything but anxious observers



THAT'S what I call imagination!!!  :rofl2:

Should I post the Obama video again where he admitted to this also?


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26369450 - 12/08/19 04:51 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

lol Russia INVADED Ukraine and your defense is that American diplomats expressed their opinion of Ukrainian politicians.


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: koods]
    #26369486 - 12/08/19 05:05 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

The Russian support came AFTER the US orchestrated coup.  I guess you need more evidence of our support of the coup again:



Why wasn't America pushing for another election?  Because a coup gave us the results we negotiated with those responsible.


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26369748 - 12/08/19 07:48 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Russian “support 🤦‍♂️


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: koods]
    #26369898 - 12/08/19 10:12 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Do you think the US had a right to implement or even support regime change in Ukraine without letting the Ukrainian voters have a say?


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Edited by Falcon91Wolvrn03 (12/08/19 10:42 PM)

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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26370655 - 12/09/19 10:37 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

There was a vote.
FFS your talking points are straight from Russian TV. AKA complete self-serving BS, predicted on more BS, supported by BS, and believed by dogma-ridden weak-brained couch-activists.

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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: feldman114]
    #26370740 - 12/09/19 11:22 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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Do you think the US had a right to implement or even support regime change in Ukraine without letting the Ukrainian voters have a say?



There was a vote.



Source?  Or make believe?

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FFS your talking points are straight from Russian TV. AKA complete self-serving BS, predicted on more BS, supported by BS, and believed by dogma-ridden weak-brained couch-activists.



Can you please tell me specifically what I said that you feel is BS?  I can provide evidence for anything I've said, or I'll admit to being wrong.

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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26370788 - 12/09/19 11:50 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

You called the invasion of Ukraine “Russian support”

You are a shameless shill for Putin


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: koods]
    #26370795 - 12/09/19 11:57 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Invasion - "the act of an army entering another country by force in order to take control of it".

What evidence do you have that Russia entered Crimea by force?  Crimea wanted Russian support.


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26370803 - 12/09/19 12:05 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Shameless


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