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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: ballsalsa] * 1
    #26361037 - 12/04/19 12:52 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Falcon, you know you can make good cash just for pushing Russian propaganda online in English?
All the Russian freelance sites have these gigs. You just gotta troll people on various subreddits, yahoo answers, news article comments, etc.

Want a link?
www.fl.ru
It pays VERY low (like any job in Russia) but you’re already doing it for free so makes sense for you to do it. In fact...it makes perfect sense....

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1060781

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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: ballsalsa]
    #26361119 - 12/04/19 01:50 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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Who builds hospitals underground in the middle of nowhere? 



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people who are afraid of being bombed? :shrug:






Thank you.  Not sure why koods was being such a dick about it.


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: feldman114]
    #26361124 - 12/04/19 01:53 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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Falcon, you know you can make good cash just for pushing Russian propaganda online in English?
All the Russian freelance sites have these gigs. You just gotta troll people on various subreddits, yahoo answers, news article comments, etc.

Want a link?
www.fl.ru
It pays VERY low (like any job in Russia) but you’re already doing it for free so makes sense for you to do it. In fact...it makes perfect sense....

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1060781



The problem with your suggestion is that I'll take whichever side has more facts.  Would you say it's always the Russian side?  If not, I don't like your suggestion (I've already earned plenty of money with my current job).


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26361212 - 12/04/19 02:39 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Lol more of a joke really. I know you’re not a guy at a troll farm, even though your poasts tend to come off that way.

You should know I respect the shit out of you fal. I truly respect loyalty, no matter how misplaced it may be.

But it seems like you’re so desperately clinging on to your position on Russia that you feel like Russia’s failures/atrocities are your own. They are not. You have no reason to so feverishly defend them at every turn. You can form your own opinion.

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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: feldman114]
    #26361230 - 12/04/19 02:50 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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You have no reason to so feverishly defend them at every turn. You can form your own opinion.



The thing is, I don't like having debates based on opinions.

"They did not"
"They did to"
"They did not"
"They did to"

"I think it was Russia!" without evidence TO ME is a position I'll attack.  It DOESN'T mean I think the US is responsible, it means we don't know.  But the PERCEPTION is that everyone thinks I'm defending Russia, but I'm attacking the logic.

Burden of Proof is ALWAYS on the party making a claim.


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26361242 - 12/04/19 03:00 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Would you attack the position of “I think it was the US” without evidence?

Here: I think the US aided Klichko, Poroshenko and Yatseniuk I’m setting up the early days of the 2014 revolution. I think, if it wasn’t for US funding, the crowds wouldn’t reach 100k+ attendees until AFTER 100 of them were shot down in cold blood.
Let’s see which part of that you will dispute, even though the only part unsupported by evidence in US involvement...

When was the last time you took a trip to mushroom mountain? Me thinks you can use a reset.

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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: feldman114]
    #26361389 - 12/04/19 04:27 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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Would you attack the position of “I think it was the US” without evidence?



I'm sure I would, but that's a position I don't think I've seen in this forum.

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Here: I think the US aided Klichko, Poroshenko and Yatseniuk I’m setting up the early days of the 2014 revolution. I think, if it wasn’t for US funding, the crowds wouldn’t reach 100k+ attendees until AFTER 100 of them were shot down in cold blood.
Let’s see which part of that you will dispute, even though the only part unsupported by evidence in US involvement...



I'm confused by your question.  Let me try to paraphrase:

You're saying that if the US didn't help fund the Ukrainian revolution, we wouldn't have seen the large crowds that we saw.  (Am I right so far)?

But here's where I'm confused.  You're also saying that if we didn't see the large crowds, Ukraine would have shot 100 people in order to generate large crowds?  Or what are you saying?

I'm not trying to be difficult, I'm just trying to understand your question. 


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When was the last time you took a trip to mushroom mountain? Me thinks you can use a reset.



Well, the last time I went to Crimea was in 2017.  :smirk:


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: ballsalsa]
    #26361425 - 12/04/19 04:47 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Balls - you're always good at helping me understand.  Let me know if you understand the scenario.


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26361439 - 12/04/19 04:53 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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Would you attack the position of “I think it was the US” without evidence?



I'm sure I would, but that's a position I don't think I've seen in this forum.

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Here: I think the US aided Klichko, Poroshenko and Yatseniuk I’m setting up the early days of the 2014 revolution. I think, if it wasn’t for US funding, the crowds wouldn’t reach 100k  attendees until AFTER 100 of them were shot down in cold blood.
Let’s see which part of that you will dispute, even though the only part unsupported by evidence in US involvement...



I'm confused by your question.  Let me try to paraphrase:

You're saying that if the US didn't help fund the Ukrainian revolution, we wouldn't have seen the large crowds that we saw.  (Am I right so far)?

But here's where I'm confused.  You're also saying that if we didn't see the large crowds, Ukraine would have shot 100 people in order to generate large crowds?  Or what are you saying?

I'm not trying to be difficult, I'm just trying to understand your question. 


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When was the last time you took a trip to mushroom mountain? Me thinks you can use a reset.



Well, the last time I went to Crimea was in 2017.  :smirk:




I think the US gov funded the early stages of the protests. Until riot police started beating on protesters, the crowds were only large due to US manipulation.

Do you agree?

I fucked up the quote html, disregard the mess please.

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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26361446 - 12/04/19 04:56 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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But here's where I'm confused.  You're also saying that if we didn't see the large crowds, Ukraine would have shot 100 people in order to generate large crowds?  Or what are you saying?






You're also saying that if we didn't see[U.S. funding enabling]the large crowds, Ukraine would have [had to have] shot 100 people in order to generate[enough indignation and outrage to attract a] large crowd

Edit: oops, too late

Edited by ballsalsa (12/04/19 04:57 PM)

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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: feldman114]
    #26361453 - 12/04/19 05:01 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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I think the US gov funded the early stages of the protests. Until riot police started beating on protesters, the crowds were only large due to US manipulation.

Do you agree?



I'm confused again.  First you said the crowds were large because of US funding, then you said the crowds were large because of riot police.  Give me a little time to look at the evidence.


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: feldman114]
    #26361553 - 12/04/19 05:57 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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I think the US gov funded the early stages of the protests. Until riot police started beating on protesters, the crowds were only large due to US manipulation.

Do you agree?



Ok, so it appears there were huge crowds of protesters before any of the violence started, and then after the violence began, even more people were triggered to come out and protest.  I'm with you so far.


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26362366 - 12/05/19 07:19 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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I think the US gov funded the early stages of the protests. Until riot police started beating on protesters, the crowds were only large due to US manipulation.

Do you agree?



Ok, so it appears there were huge crowds of protesters before any of the violence started, and then after the violence began, even more people were triggered to come out and protest.  I'm with you so far.




There you go. You read an unsupported statement accusing the US of wrongdoing, and you have no problem with it. There is no proof of US involvement. That was my whole point.

Why then do you need proof whenever Russia is accused?

The news bubble is real...

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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: feldman114]
    #26362485 - 12/05/19 08:29 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

What you mean there is no proof of US involvement?

We have Victoria Nuland’s intercepted phone call discussing who the US was going to put in charge after our coup, and Obama’s admission that we had a deal with Ukraine on their next leader.  There's plenty more evidence about how Nuland and McCain frequented Ukraine to stir up the opposition.  Were you unaware of this?


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26362497 - 12/05/19 08:41 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

How does that prove US involvement in the protests?

You’re mischaracterizing the 2 sources you provided.
1. Obama is not saying that... I mean you did watch the video, right? Also, this has nothing to do with my statement. I said the US funded the initial protests.

2. Victoria Nuland was speaking to the US embassy. They discussed US goals after the protests. Nothing about funding the protests. In fact, I think the interview is post-Yanukovych’s flight.

“ In their phone conversation, Nuland and Pyatt discussed who should be in the government after Viktor Yanukovych's ouster, to include Arseniy Yatsenyuk, and in what ways they might achieve that transition. ” - from your own source.

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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #26362506 - 12/05/19 08:46 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Without knowing anything I would assume we were involved, because when weren't we? At one time the U.S. would pick it's spots (Philippines), but since the end of WWII we have interfered virtually everywhere.


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: feldman114]
    #26362527 - 12/05/19 08:59 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

Either way, my point stands. You don’t require proof of US wrongdoing.

I purposely picked a scenario where no proof exists. It can’t exist.
Here’s the truth: Someone decided to throw a rager, so people came for the live concerts and the free BBQ & booze. I was there🤷🏻‍♂️. What you don’t realize is, protests happen in Kyiv every year. The good ones have good performers & shit - coming out for a good time became a recreational tradition for most young people in Kyiv. G

It was political manipulation, sure. But it happened every year. It got real in 2014 because Berkut started beating protestors. And we’ll never KNOW who paid for the 2014 protests, or the 2004-05 protests or any year in between. We’ll also never know why Berkut Police decided to start shooting rubber bullets and tasing everyone in sight...if they would let it be, everyone would go home once it got too cold, LIKE WE DID EVERY YEAR.

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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Brian Jones]
    #26362530 - 12/05/19 09:00 AM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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Without knowing anything I would assume we were involved, because when weren't we? At one time the U.S. would pick it's spots (Philippines), but since the end of WWII we have interfered virtually everywhere.




Yeah, you and fal both. The problem is “assuming” is a horrible analysis strategy. Especially when you only assume shit about one side, while defending the other at ALL costs.

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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: feldman114]
    #26362910 - 12/05/19 12:31 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

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How does that prove US involvement in the protests?



I guess I'm confused by your statement once again.  What do you mean by "US involvement in the protests"?  It's very easy to show John McCain rallied Ukrainians against their President.



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Also, this has nothing to do with my statement. I said the US funded the initial protests.



Again, what do you mean by "funded the initial protests"?  We sent people to Ukraine to rally them against their President, and filled the Voice of America airwaves with a similar message.  If you're claiming we paid the protesters to protest, I am NOT making/supporting that statement.

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2. Victoria Nuland was speaking to the US embassy. They discussed US goals after the protests. Nothing about funding the protests. In fact, I think the interview is post-Yanukovych’s flight.



And you'd be very wrong.  The leaked call took place on 28 Jan 14, and he fled the country on 21 February 2014.

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“ In their phone conversation, Nuland and Pyatt discussed who should be in the government after Viktor Yanukovych's ouster, to include Arseniy Yatsenyuk, and in what ways they might achieve that transition. ” - from your own source.



Exactly.  And the call took place well before his ouster.


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #26362954 - 12/05/19 12:47 PM (4 years, 5 months ago)

It’s irrelevant because of the timeline. All these convos took place very late in the revolution. My statement was “I think the US funded the early stages of the protests”.

No matter how convinced you are of this, it is impossible to prove. Yet, you aren’t saying I’m wrong because I’m not accusing Russia of anything.

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