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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: koods]
#25752877 - 01/19/19 02:37 AM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Which has nothing to do with the point that there is no evidence that Russia was behind the Skripal poisoning.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#25753016 - 01/19/19 05:43 AM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Do you even research what you're saying? A quick google reveals: "There are currently 44 publicly acknowledged closed cities in Russia"
Do you think someone born in a city up in the Arctic would just easily have the economic mobility to move wherever at will? Even if their city wasn't closed?
Try doing a google search on the suicide rates in higher lattitudes, the happiness levels of people who live in far northern cities/siberia/greenland...etc - there are even specific types of psychosis attributed to the winters up there - where in Inuit cultures it would be commonplace for women to just go out in the middle of the winter and start doing crazy shit because the environment broke their minds.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piblokto
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: twighead]
#25754104 - 01/19/19 04:33 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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twighead said: Do you even research what you're saying? A quick google reveals: "There are currently 44 publicly acknowledged closed cities in Russia"
Yes, as a matter of fact I do research what I say. The real question is do YOU even research what you're saying? "A closed city or closed town is a settlement where travel or residency restrictions are applied so that specific authorization is required to visit or remain overnight. They may be sensitive military establishments or secret research installations..."
In other words, people are restricted from going in, not from going out. Los Alamos, New Mexico was a closed city during the Manhattan Project, for example.
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twighead said: Do you think someone born in a city up in the Arctic would just easily have the economic mobility to move wherever at will? Even if their city wasn't closed?
Yes, people who live in closed cities doing secret projects generally make good money. Why else would they take those jobs?
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twighead said: Try doing a google search on the suicide rates in higher lattitudes, the happiness levels of people who live in far northern cities/siberia/greenland...etc - there are even specific types of psychosis attributed to the winters up there - where in Inuit cultures it would be commonplace for women to just go out in the middle of the winter and start doing crazy shit because the environment broke their minds.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piblokto
The link you provided was about a condition found in Greenland, not Russia. And higher suicide rates in northern regions aren't attributable to a "hostile environment", as you falsely claimed, but is believed to be caused by a lack of sunlight that leads to depression.
Maybe research a little before you post more make believe about Russia?
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#25754842 - 01/19/19 10:08 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: In other words, people are restricted from going in, not from going out. Los Alamos, New Mexico was a closed city during the Manhattan Project, for example.
How about area 51? Though, I guess people aren't allowed in or out of that area...
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 1
#25756607 - 01/20/19 04:49 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Now, let's play a game of "Fact or Make Believe". Let's look at each of the 10 points in my article one by one to determine if they are fact, or make believe.
Let's start at the top with point #1. Tell us whether any of the statements below from point #1 aren't factual:
*CRICKETS*
Great. Nothing make believe. Shall we move on to point #2 of 10? Or can you accept that alternative news is capable of reporting on real news that the mainstream news avoids?
The amount of egg on your face from believing mainstream Russian news stories makes you unrecognizable as the smart guy you once were. Time to ditch the misleading news.
As a reminder, here's the latest egg on your face:
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koods said: Michael Cohen was directed to lie to Congress by... Donald Trump. It’s over. There are text messages.
It’s time to start impeachment hearings . . . Its pretty crazy this is gonna happen. There’s no way to avoid it now. . . . They are reporting that mueller has documentary evidence . . . Will Donald Trump be impeached in his first term?

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mueller-team-disputes-buzzfeed-report-claiming-trump-told-cohen-to-lie

I saw that. What the fuck is going on 
I have no idea.
Oh I have an idea. You were duped again by the establishment media, for about the 104th time now!
Will Donald Trump be impeached in his first term?
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#25756615 - 01/20/19 04:50 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Lol it’s at 47
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#25756844 - 01/20/19 05:54 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piblokto The link you provided was about a condition found in Greenland, not Russia. And higher suicide rates in northern regions aren't attributable to a "hostile environment", as you falsely claimed, but is believed to be caused by a lack of sunlight that leads to depression.
Maybe research a little before you post more make believe about Russia? 
Hey! Think about what you said for one second and provide a definition of a hostile environment!            
Also I quote from the article I posted Quote:
Piblokto was first documented in 1892 and reports by European explorers describe the phenomenon as common to all Arctic regions.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: twighead]
#25756894 - 01/20/19 06:11 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: The link you provided was about a condition found in Greenland, not Russia. And higher suicide rates in northern regions aren't attributable to a "hostile environment", as you falsely claimed, but is believed to be caused by a lack of sunlight that leads to depression.
Maybe research a little before you post more make believe about Russia? 
Hey! Think about what you said for one second and provide a definition of a hostile environment!            
Are you now arguing that Russians live in a 'hostile environment' because a lack of sunshine rather than anything the Russians actually did? Fine.
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Piblokto was first documented in 1892 and reports by European explorers describe the phenomenon as common to all Arctic regions.
And your article goes on to say "However, as discussed below, many scholars now hold that culture bound disorders may often be an artifact of colonial encounters, and contemporary discussions of piblokto in medical anthropology and cross-cultural psychiatry consider it to be an example of the suspect nature of culture bound syndromes" (which I'm sure you read) .
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#25759331 - 01/21/19 07:35 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah man - what I'm saying - is that people who grow up in extreme northern cultures, often experience a great degree of hardship - a great degree of sadness and despair. I feel bad for the Russians. I don't wish them ill. But I know that their experience has made them angry too sometimes, and hard to get along with - and that has to be seen and recognized - that they can, and will use their cunning for dominance. I objectively see what they have gone through, and I wish they could bring themselves to integrate with the world more positively... And I think the US foreign policy towards Russia has been extremely gentle in the last 30 years all things considered.
We haven't been attacking them in any way - we've been trying to integrate them into the world properly instead of forming their own axis, which only creates discord. But they will not accept this path and wish to do their own thing... We've embraced the countries that were formerly under their dominion and helped their further integration into the world, and we've protected places that would've otherwise completely overrun by the Russians post 90s. We've let them heal from the fucking insanity that was the USSR. And despite this - Russia has shown nothing but continued aggression towards our nation.
Do you remember what happened after WW2? The US didn't attempt to conquer the provinces it had utterly taken down - it healed them and reintegrated them into the world. What did the Soviets do? They conquered. They took control of the governments and the systems and built an iron curtain and shut themselves away from the world and created immense discord and disharmony.
Of course, the US hasn't always acted out of super kindness - we've done some insane fucked up shit, on a whole different level. But that does not mean that there isn't still an intent in US foreign policy to try and solve some of the fucked-upness that has been taking place forever - and to create a more unified world.
I'd give the US foreign policy a pretty shitty grade in many respects, make no mistake. But it's the whole picture we have to look at - our capitalistic, globalistic systems have created all sorts of insanity throughout the globe, but it has also created the most intense prosperity and peace too - the US has done more than any country ever in the history of this planet in the last 80 years, objectively and that has to be respected and seen - but it also has to be looked at directly in how we can take this weird ass nation, this huge empire, all this chaos and continue to have it be a positive force in the world. Because right now it probably isn't. So hopefully we get some real fucking leadership here soon.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: twighead]
#25759402 - 01/21/19 08:05 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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twighead said: I objectively see what they have gone through, and I wish they could bring themselves to integrate with the world more positively... And I think the US foreign policy towards Russia has been extremely gentle in the last 30 years all things considered.
We haven't been attacking them in any way - we've been trying to integrate them into the world properly instead of forming their own axis, which only creates discord. But they will not accept this path and wish to do their own thing...
I believe you are wrong about this. Russia would LOVE to become a part of EU, but the US won't let them. Here's a thread with an article about it.
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An example would be helpful here. Nothing make believe, please.
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twighead said: Do you remember what happened after WW2? The US didn't attempt to conquer the provinces it had utterly taken down - it healed them and reintegrated them into the world. What did the Soviets do? They conquered. They took control of the governments and the systems and built an iron curtain and shut themselves away from the world and created immense discord and disharmony.
Name one country or territory Russia took over after WWII (please read the second part of this post first)
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I'd give the US foreign policy a pretty shitty grade in many respects, make no mistake. But it's the whole picture we have to look at - our capitalistic, globalistic systems have created all sorts of insanity throughout the globe, but it has also created the most intense prosperity and peace too - the US has done more than any country ever in the history of this planet in the last 80 years, objectively and that has to be respected and seen - but it also has to be looked at directly in how we can take this weird ass nation, this huge empire, all this chaos and continue to have it be a positive force in the world. Because right now it probably isn't. So hopefully we get some real fucking leadership here soon.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#25759429 - 01/21/19 08:13 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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I don’t believe Russia wants to be just one of many states in a union, like the EU. Russian nationalism is too potent and the failure of the Soviet state is a shame that can only rectified by a return to super power status.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: koods]
#25759449 - 01/21/19 08:31 PM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Wow, that's the first time I've heard you say "I don’t (or do) believe..." before a post about Russia. Now I can't argue with you.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Enlil] 1
#25864563 - 03/10/19 12:14 AM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Enlil said: There is evidence that Russia did it. There is none that the brits did.
...what is the evidence that Russia did it?
Motive - Russia has a reason to want him dead.
Weapon - very rare weapon that was developed by Russia.
1. We don't know that Russia wanted him dead (they released him a long time ago in a prisoner exchange) 2. Just because Russia developed Novichok doesn't mean they're the only ones who have it.
Craig Murray just wrote another very good article saying that while we still don't know who poisoned the Skripals, there are an awful lot of holes and inconsistencies in the official story with lengthy explanations. The following is a VERY abbreviated summary of a much more detailed write up:
Ten Points I Just Can’t Believe About the Official Skripal Narrative
1. Pure - "...my Foreign & Commonwealth Office source told me that Porton Down could not and would not attest that the 'novichok' sample was made in Russia, and explained that the formulation 'of a type developed by Russia' was an agreed Whitehall line to cover this up."
2. Raising the Roof - "the roof had been removed and replaced due to contamination with 'novichok'. I cannot believe that a gel, allegedly smeared or painted onto the doorknob, migrated upwards to get into the roof of a two story house, in such a manner that the roof had to be destroyed, but the house in between did not.
3. Nursing Care - "The very first person to discover the Skripals ill on a park bench in Salisbury just happened to be the Chief Nurse of the British Army. This was kept secret for ten months until January of this year, when it came out by accident.
4. Remarkable Metabolisms - "The Skripals were of very different ages, genders and weights. That an agent which took hours to act but then kicks in with immediate disabling effect, so they could not call for help, would affect two such entirely different metabolisms at precisely the same time, has never been satisfactorily explained. Dosage would have an effect and of course the doorknob method would give an uncontrolled dosage."
5. 11 Days - "After the poisoning of Charlie Rowley and Dawn Sturgess, the Police began a search for “Novichok”, in an attitude of extreme urgency. Yet it took 11 days of the search before they allegedly discovered the “novichok” in a perfume bottle sitting in plain sight on the kitchen counter – and only after they had discovered the clue of the perfume bottle package in the bin the day before, after ten days of search."
6. Mark Urban/Pablo Miller - "Mark Urban fronted much of the BBC’s original coverage of the Skripal story. Yet he concealed from the viewers the fact that he had been in regular contact with Sergei Skripal for months before the alleged poisoning, and had held several meetings with Skripal. The journalist who had the inside info on the world’s biggest news story, and was actually reporting on it, kept that knowledge to himself. Why? Urban was not only passing up a career defining opportunity, it was unethical of him to continually report on the story without revealing to the viewers his extensive contacts with Skripal. Within the first 48 hours after the Skripal incident, the British Government blamed Russia, and it slapped a D(SMA) notice banning all media mention of Skripal’s MI6 handler, Pablo Miller. By yet another one of those extraordinary coincidences, Miller and Urban know each other well"
7. Four Months - "there was at least a four month gap between the police searching the Poplar hotel where Boshirov and Petrov were staying, allegedly discovering traces of novichok in the hotel room, and the police informing the hotel management, let alone the public, of the discovery. That is four months in which a cleaner might have fatally stumbled across more novichok in the hotel. Four months in which another guest in the same hotel might have had something lurking in their bag which they had picked up. Four months in which there might have been a container of novichok sitting in a hedge near the hotel. Yet for four months the police did not think any of this was urgent enough to tell anybody."
8. The Bungling Spies - "the closest CCTV ever caught them to the Skripals’ house is fully 500 metres, at the Shell garage, walking along the opposite side of the road from the turning to the Skripals. There is a second CCTV camera at the garage which would have caught them crossing the road and turning down towards the Skripals’ house, but no such video or still image – potentially the most important of all the CCTV footage – has ever been released."
9. The Skripals’ Movements - "Why has so little detail of the Skripals’ movements that day been released? What do all the withheld CCTV images of the Skripals in Salisbury show?"
10. The Sealed Bottle - "there was a gap of three months between the police finding the perfume bottle, and the police releasing details of the brand and photos of it, despite the fact the police believed there could be more out there. Again the news management agenda totally belies the official narrative of the need to protect the public in a public health emergency."
Bonus Point – The Integrity Initiative - "The Integrity Initiative specifically paid Dan Kaszeta to publish articles on the Skripal case. Governments do not institute secret campaigns to put out covert propaganda in order to tell the truth. The Integrity Initiative is very plainly a disinformation exercise.
Most sinister of all is the Skripal Group convened by the Integrity Initiative. This group includes Pablo Miller, Skripal’s MI6 handler, and senior representatives of Porton Down, the BBC, the CIA, the FCO and the MOD. Even if all the other ludicrously weak points in the government narrative did not exist, the Integrity Initiative activity in itself would lead me to understand the British government is concealing something important."
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Russia has most certainly lost international standing, sanctions are being discussed, and I'll bet my sig we see pressure on Germany to cancel Nord Stream 2.
Good thing you didn't take my bet. Germany just announced the US is pressuring them to stop the Nord Stream 2 gas line.
(Here's Google's attempt to translate this article)
Now it gets interesting.
In spite of pressure from the US not to move forward with the Nord Stream 2 gas line, it was just announced that "Germany fully approves Russia-built Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline"
The US threatened to sanction European firms involved in Russian gas project:
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At the State Department, we have spent a lot of time speaking with our partners and allies overseas to explain to them the ramifications of CAATSA and how an individual or a company or a country can run afoul against CAATSA and fall into sanctions," Nauert said. "We don't tend to comment on sanctions actions but we've been clear that firm steps against the Russian energy export pipeline sector could – if they engage in that kind of business – they could expose themselves to sanctions under CAATSA.
I wonder how that will go over with EU companies?
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It looks like Nord Stream 2 pipeline is now a done deal, in spite of our threats to the EU.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26354755 - 11/30/19 10:39 PM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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I didn't see this in the thread.
Bellingcat identified the suspects as
Ruslan Boshirov is in fact Colonel Anatoliy Chepiga
Alexander Petrov is Dr. Alexander Mishkin
The article says Putin gave the Hero of Russia award to both.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Stable Genius]
#26354776 - 11/30/19 10:56 PM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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If all that is true that's a fairly exhaustive display of evidence. ... and a pat on the back from Putin, links him directly.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Stable Genius]
#26354778 - 11/30/19 10:56 PM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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I remember having that discussion, but I'm also struggling to find it. I remember Craig Murray did a piece on it (do you know who he is?)
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/10/bellingcats-very-obviously-fake-chepiga-photo/
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26354782 - 11/30/19 11:03 PM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yes I was looking at one of his articles today, I'll go have a look
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Stable Genius]
#26354788 - 11/30/19 11:15 PM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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That's his argument?, that the light on the photo is different (even I can see the reflection of an open window in that pic as well as another one) and the dates of the awards photo's are out of order?... compared to that insanely high degree of exhaustive journalism?
I'm not sure I agree with him about that.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Stable Genius]
#26354790 - 11/30/19 11:17 PM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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No. It appears you didn't read past the first paragraph. The second paragraph starts with "But there is a more important point here..." I'll let you take it from there.
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