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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: koods]
#25456060 - 09/12/18 08:54 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Here's a weird coincidence that Putin probably knows nothing about...
September 12, 2018 7:22 pm MOSCOW – Russian news reports say a member of Russian punk protest group Pussy Riot has been hospitalized in grave condition for what could be a possible poisoning.
Ekho Moskvy radio and online news portal Meduza reported Wednesday that Pyotr Verzilov has been in emergency care since late Tuesday. They quoted a fellow Pussy Riot member, Veronika Nikulshina, as saying Verzilov’s symptoms included losing his eyesight and ability to speak.
Nikulshina said Verzilov was being treated in the toxicology unit of a Moscow hospital, indicating a suspected poisoning. https://globalnews.ca/news/4444623/pussy-riot-pyotr-verzilov-poisoning/
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: vinsue]
#25456093 - 09/12/18 09:02 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Russians poison so easily
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: twighead]
#25456166 - 09/12/18 09:25 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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twighead said: people who pretend Russia is not highly actively aggressive in its own foreign policy pursuits have to be pretty fucking ridiculously ignorant to geopolitics 
I guess I'm pretty fucking ridiculously ignorant to geopolitics. Why don't you education me on Russian aggression? 
Note - I don't consider defending another country from US aggression to be aggressive.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Tulipslave]
#25456172 - 09/12/18 09:27 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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koods said: Oh so even Putin is admitting Russians are responsible for the poisoning
swing and a miss
That's a strike out. I can't believe how ignorant some of koods' posts are.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#25456201 - 09/12/18 09:39 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
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twighead said: people who pretend Russia is not highly actively aggressive in its own foreign policy pursuits have to be pretty fucking ridiculously ignorant to geopolitics 
I guess I'm pretty fucking ridiculously ignorant to geopolitics. Why don't you education me on Russian aggression? 
Note - I don't consider defending another country from US aggression to be aggressive.
Annexing Crimea was a defensive move? The war in South Ossetia was a defensive move? 
As I said, the US isn't innocent in its acts - but it's quite ignorant to pretend that Russia isn't very aggressive when it comes to pursuing its own agenda.
They're definitely not bad at getting Americans with boners for STRONGMAN tactics rooting for them either
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: twighead]
#25456293 - 09/12/18 10:25 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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twighead said: Annexing Crimea was a defensive move?
Yes. The US orchestrated a coup in Ukraine to overthrow a democratically elected President. The people in Crimea wanted no part of that.
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twighead said: The war in South Ossetia was a defensive move? 
Yes. Georgia started that war. And Russia could easily have taken Ossetia if they wanted it.
Any other examples of Russian "aggression"? 
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#25457305 - 09/13/18 11:41 AM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Looks like the Russian 'agents' have confessed to being tourists, which is all Theresa May has been able to show thus far.
‘We’re not agents’: UK’s suspects in Skripal case talk...
Of course, I don't know if they're telling the truth, but I do know this puts the burden of proof on Theresa May to show that these men are more than just tourists. Unless she does, this story is yet another nothing burger.
How many nothing burgers until people like Enlil and Koods start to question the 'official' stories?
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#25457328 - 09/13/18 11:50 AM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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No it doesn't. She has no burden of proving anything to the public.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Enlil]
#25457349 - 09/13/18 11:59 AM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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This isn't about finding them guilty in a court of law, it's about winning public support for her accusations.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#25457353 - 09/13/18 12:01 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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To you... To her, it might be about finding them guilty in a court of law.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#25457421 - 09/13/18 12:26 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Looks like the Russian 'agents' have confessed to being tourists, which is all Theresa May has been able to show thus far.
‘We’re not agents’: UK’s suspects in Skripal case talk...
Of course, I don't know if they're telling the truth, but I do know this puts the burden of proof on Theresa May to show that these men are more than just tourists. Unless she does, this story is yet another nothing burger.
How many nothing burgers until people like Enlil and Koods start to question the 'official' stories?
“We’re not agents”
Well that’s it. Case closed
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Enlil] 1
#25457444 - 09/13/18 12:38 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Enlil said: No it doesn't. She has no burden of proving anything to the public.
Considering she's a politician and not a judge or lawyer, she has no position other than garnering public support and overseeing the involved government agencies. She has no direct involvement.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Tulipslave]
#25457447 - 09/13/18 12:39 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Edited by koods (09/13/18 12:42 PM)
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: koods]
#25457724 - 09/13/18 03:14 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: I don't know if they're telling the truth, but I do know this puts the burden of proof on Theresa May to show that these men are more than just tourists.
“We’re not agents”
Well that’s it. Case closed
I absolutely did not take their word for it, and I said so above.
You, on the other hand, you hear Theresa May say that Russian GRU officers did it, and you say "Well that’s it. Case closed."
You're the one committing the foul that you've wrongly accused me of.
Edited by Falcon91Wolvrn03 (09/13/18 05:30 PM)
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: koods]
#25457728 - 09/13/18 03:17 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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koods said: https://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?id=1200361736&i=1000419588372
Good episode of The daily about the poisoning
https://www.nytimes.com/podcasts/the-daily
Before I waste my time, is there any evidence in the podcast, or a bunch of retards saying "DURRR, Putin did it!!!"
If it's the former, could you please share that evidence?
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#25458782 - 09/14/18 01:10 AM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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twighead said: Annexing Crimea was a defensive move?
Yes. The US orchestrated a coup in Ukraine to overthrow a democratically elected President. The people in Crimea wanted no part of that.
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twighead said: The war in South Ossetia was a defensive move? 
Yes. Georgia started that war. And Russia could easily have taken Ossetia if they wanted it.
Any other examples of Russian "aggression"? 
<crickets>
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koods said: https://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?id=1200361736&i=1000419588372
Good episode of The daily about the poisoning
https://www.nytimes.com/podcasts/the-daily
Before I waste my time, is there any evidence in the podcast, or a bunch of retards saying "DURRR, Putin did it!!!"
If it's the former, could you please share that evidence?
<crickets>
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#25460617 - 09/14/18 07:24 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: It might be Russia, but it certainly might not be. . . . ...and again, I'm not denying it was Russia. The treason this guy was found guilty of is worthy of death in most countries. I'm just saying nothing has been proven. . . . Poll: How confident are you that the Russian Government is responsible for the poisoning of Sergei Skripal? I clicked 40% - 60%.
Please reread my statements in this thread (I've quoted a few of them for you here) and tell me where I said it wasn't Russia? I said we didn't yet have solid proof it was Russia. And I still haven't seen solid evidence on this yet either.
It very well might be these guys who poisoned the Skripals.
I was (and still am) open to the possibility of Russia being behind the attacks, but the more people look into this, the more it's clear Theresa May has shown nothing on these guys, other than they a trip they took to Salisbury.
Craig Murray does a great job explaining how their interview answers are very plausible, while the BBC claims any questioning of the official story is 'offensive to victims'
Good reading for anyone actually wondering what the truth is.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 1
#25460708 - 09/14/18 07:55 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Tulipslave] 1
#25461125 - 09/14/18 10:36 PM (5 years, 7 months ago) |
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Enlil champions the establishment viewpoint because it makes him feel like he's part of the elite.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Enlil]
#25749273 - 01/17/19 11:41 AM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Here is a nice new summary of why we don't know the Russians were behind the Skripal poisoning.
This is NOT good reading for the make believers here.
Summing up the Official Claims in the Salisbury Poisonings: Weighed in the Balances and Found Wanting
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