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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#25227162 - 05/25/18 07:00 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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I don't think it's odd that she'd be hesitant to call the country that tried to kill her, no.
I can't help it if you don't understand the difference between evidence and speculation. I tried to explain it to you, but you didn't get it. I'm certainly not going to start over and try again now. 
As to Russia's rights, I couldn't care less. Her rights trump their rights at this point, and she's specifically said in that video YOU posted that she doesn't want Russia's help.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Enlil]
#25228280 - 05/25/18 04:15 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Enlil said: I don't think it's odd that she'd be hesitant to call the country that tried to kill her, no.
You keep saying that. And I keep asking how you know Russia's the country that tried to kill her, especially since you said you only have 30% confidence it was them?
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Enlil said: I can't help it if you don't understand the difference between evidence and speculation. I tried to explain it to you, but you didn't get it. I'm certainly not going to start over and try again now. 
Oh I understand. And I responded with evidence that Orbis/MI6/CIA/Clinton did it too and pointed out how you used speculation yourself. I also provided a motive and proof others had the weapon.
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Enlil said: As to Russia's rights, I couldn't care less. Her rights trump their rights at this point, and she's specifically said in that video YOU posted that she doesn't want Russia's help.
And that's what I care about too. That's why someone other than whomever is hiding/holding her should speak with her; to ensure HER wishes are being met.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#25228406 - 05/25/18 05:15 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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I didn't say I know it was Russia that tried to kill her. I said that it don't think it's odd that she'd be hesitant to call the country that tried to kill her. That's about her state of mind. It doesn't have to be correct.
I don't know how else to explain the difference between speculation and evidence.
Why do you assume someone is hiding or holding her?
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Enlil]
#25228437 - 05/25/18 05:35 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Why do you assume someone is hiding or holding her?
I don't assume that. She may or may not be held. You're the one assuming she's not being held, in spite of her not communicating with anyone.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#25228531 - 05/25/18 06:22 PM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Why do you assume she's not communicating with anyone?
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Enlil]
#25229118 - 05/26/18 01:10 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ok Mr Semantics Man. I meant she's not communicating with family and friends. Britain obviously has the technology to give her a phone that couldn't be traced to her exact location, or they could move her somewhere to make such a phone call.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#25229312 - 05/26/18 05:44 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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How do you know she wants to talk to them?
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Enlil]
#25230913 - 05/27/18 12:32 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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They're her family and friends that she cared about before the poisoning. Why do you think she would stop caring about them?
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#25231315 - 05/27/18 07:31 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: They're her family and friends that she cared about before the poisoning. Why do you think she would stop caring about them?
Not really into this topic either way but just curious -- do you have something that indicates she cares about them?
Your previous quote specified that she contacted the only individual she seemed to care for and that people who would normally be contacted by her father did not receive contact from her
as to why her father is not contacting his mother that he has apparently not seen in 14 years
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Yelena spoke passionately to Russian TV channels, saying: "I have not seen my son in 14 years. I want to meet him.
While his niece speculates that he may be given a new anonymous identity for protection, which could imply he is willfully not calling in order to maintain safety
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But she also voiced the fear he maybe given a new identity and that the family will never hear from him again.
“We have just heard the incredible news about Sergei’s release from Salisbury hospital,” she said.
“The whole family is very happy indeed, and we can’t wait to hear and see him.
“I have just been refused my second visa application to the UK, so I won’t be able to travel there, at least not yet.
“He hasn’t been in touch," she continued. “I wonder if the next step will be an anonymous new identity."
There has been speculation they could start new lives in the US, Australia or New Zealand to remain hidden from a new possible murder bid by Russia.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/theyre-not-political-toys-ex-12577516
making it entirely possible they are not attempting to contact family for safety reasons perhaps he cares so much for them that he does not wish to risk endangering them

It is not easy for me to relate to either way -- the only member of my family with any closeness is my mother put in the Skripal's shoes, cannot see myself making effort to contact aunts and cousins but Yulia may have a closer connection with her family than myself and mine
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#25231370 - 05/27/18 08:02 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: They're her family and friends that she cared about before the poisoning. Why do you think she would stop caring about them?
What makes you think she stopped caring?
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Enlil]
#25231449 - 05/27/18 08:41 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: They're her family and friends that she cared about before the poisoning. Why do you think she would stop caring about them?
What makes you think she stopped caring?
I don't think she stopped caring. It seems you do.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Tantrika]
#25231498 - 05/27/18 09:02 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Tantrika said: Not really into this topic either way but just curious -- do you have something that indicates she cares about them?
She was helping care for her aging mother in Moscow. 
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Tantrika said: as to why her father is not contacting his mother that he has apparently not seen in 14 years
Why did you leave out the part where she said "we used to talk every week"?
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Tantrika said: his niece speculates that he may be given a new anonymous identity for protection, which could imply he is willfully not calling in order to maintain safety
As I said before, "Britain obviously has the technology to give her a phone that couldn't be traced to her exact location, or they could move her somewhere to make such a phone call."
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#25231506 - 05/27/18 09:05 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Why did you leave out the part where she said "we used to talk every week"?
Why do you ignore the part where she has recently suffered grave injury from a nerve agent? Don't you think that would interrupt someone's routine a bit?
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#25231509 - 05/27/18 09:07 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: They're her family and friends that she cared about before the poisoning. Why do you think she would stop caring about them?
What makes you think she stopped caring?
I don't think she stopped caring. It seems you do.
You said it, not me. Are you trying to earn the strawman crown?
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#25231556 - 05/27/18 09:28 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Tantrika said: Not really into this topic either way but just curious -- do you have something that indicates she cares about them?
She was helping care for her aging mother in Moscow. 
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Do you have a source on this? Your previous quote mentions that Yulia contacted her cousin Viktoria and that Viktoria helps care for Sergei's mother
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Yulia Skripal and the Salisbury WUT
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...at the very first chance she got in hospital, Yulia managed to get hold of a telephone (we don’t know how, it was not her own and she has not had access to one since) and phone her cousin Viktoria, yet since then the Skripals have made no attempt to contact their family in Russia. That includes no contact to Sergei’s aged mum, Yulia’s grandmother, who Viktoria cares for. Sergei normally calles his mother – who is 89 – regularly. This lack of contact is a worrying sign that the Skripals may be prevented from free communication to the outside world. ...
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Again, not doubting the possibility that she cares for her extended family just did not see indication that she would make additional effort to contact anyone else or anyone more than once
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Why did you leave out the part where she said "we used to talk every week"? ...
Due to trying to operate from a similar sentiment that he may hold and because that point tied into the following point
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Tantrika said: his niece speculates that he may be given a new anonymous identity for protection, which could imply he is willfully not calling in order to maintain safety
As I said before, "Britain obviously has the technology to give her a phone that couldn't be traced to her exact location, or they could move her somewhere to make such a phone call."
And if he has no certainty whether he was targeted by Russia or Britain do you think he should feel super safe and comfortable risking communicating with his family on Britain's networks?
My speculation is that he does not feel safe where he is now and that he avoided direct contact with his mother for 14 years to protect her due to the nature of his position now he may no longer feel indirect phone communication is safe for her
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Enlil]
#25231602 - 05/27/18 09:46 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Why do you ignore the part where she has recently suffered grave injury from a nerve agent? Don't you think that would interrupt someone's routine a bit?
Did you see her in the interview? You don't think she could call her own mother at least once?
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Enlil said: What makes you think she stopped caring?
I don't think she stopped caring. It seems you do.
You said it, not me. Are you trying to earn the strawman crown?
No, I didn't say she stopped caring. I just exactly the opposite.
You asked how "How do you know she wants to talk to them?" I responded "They're her family and friends that she cared about before the poisoning. Why do you think she would stop caring about them?"
No straw men here other than your own.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#25231609 - 05/27/18 09:49 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Why do you ignore the part where she has recently suffered grave injury from a nerve agent? Don't you think that would interrupt someone's routine a bit?
Did you see her in the interview? You don't think she could call her own mother at least once? ...
With a Ouija board?
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The family was hit by tragedy in 2012, when Yulia’s mother, Lyudmila, died in England of cancer. Last year, her older brother, Alexander, died of liver failure while on holiday in St Petersburg at the age of 43. He was buried in Salisbury, near his mother. The BBC cited relatives who say the circumstances of his death were suspicious. Yulia removed family photographs from her social media account last year, according to friends. It remains unclear why. She returned to Russia in 2014, but continued to visit England often.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/08/yulia-skripal-from-suburban-moscow-life-to-nerve-agent-mystery
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#25231612 - 05/27/18 09:50 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Did you see her in the interview? You don't think she could call her own mother at least once?
Her mother's dead.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: No, I didn't say she stopped caring. I just exactly the opposite.
You asked how "How do you know she wants to talk to them?" I responded "They're her family and friends that she cared about before the poisoning. Why do you think she would stop caring about them?"
No straw men here other than your own. 
"Why do you think she would stop caring about them" assumes that she stopped caring. I don't assume that, so I don't speculate as to why.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Tantrika]
#25231622 - 05/27/18 09:56 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: She was helping care for her aging mother in Moscow.  ...
Do you have a source on this? Your previous quote mentions that Yulia contacted her cousin Viktoria and that Viktoria helps care for Sergei's mother
You're right - her grandmother, not her mother (my mistake). So yes, she seems to care for her grandmother.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Why did you leave out the part where she said "we used to talk every week"?
Due to trying to operate from a similar sentiment that he may hold and because that point tied into the following point
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Tantrika said: his niece speculates that he may be given a new anonymous identity for protection, which could imply he is willfully not calling in order to maintain safety
As I said before, "Britain obviously has the technology to give her a phone that couldn't be traced to her exact location, or they could move her somewhere to make such a phone call."
And if he has no certainty whether he was targeted by Russia or Britain do you think he should feel super safe and comfortable risking communicating with his family on Britain's networks?
My speculation is that he does not feel safe where he is now and that he avoided direct contact with his mother for 14 years to protect her due to the nature of his position now he may no longer feel indirect phone communication is safe for her
Why wouldn't his mother be safe if he called? That makes no sense to me at all.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Enlil]
#25231638 - 05/27/18 10:01 AM (5 years, 11 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Did you see her in the interview? You don't think she could call her own mother at least once?
Her mother's dead.
My mistake, I meant her grandmother.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: No, I didn't say she stopped caring. I just exactly the opposite.
You asked how "How do you know she wants to talk to them?" I responded "They're her family and friends that she cared about before the poisoning. Why do you think she would stop caring about them?"
No straw men here other than your own. 
"Why do you think she would stop caring about them" assumes that she stopped caring. I don't assume that, so I don't speculate as to why.
So you don't think she would want to call people she cared about? Makes no sense to me, but you're entitled to strange opinions.
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