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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Asclepius] 1
#25064652 - 03/15/18 04:00 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Asclepius said: Which is most likely?
1) An ex-Russian spy turned traitor for MI6, who was convicted and later swapped in a prisoner exchange, is assassinated by the SVR through the use of a nerve agent developed only in Russia.
2) The U.K. would setup a black flag operation, killing an ex-spy and his daughter, in order to increase tensions between themselves and the largest nuclear power on earth.
Those are both false questions.
1) We know that the UK has the poison, so question 1 is deceptive.
2) The U.K. would setup a black flag operation in order to demonize Russia to weaken it's growing position in the international arena.
Here is your answer.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#25064662 - 03/15/18 04:09 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Lol, you crack me up sometimes. You can't possibly believe that UK is a more likely suspect than Russia. You're just trolling.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Enlil] 1
#25064695 - 03/15/18 04:59 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Both Russia and the UK have access to the nerve agent.
Both have a motive.
Both have a history of assassination for political reasons.
Both have a history of distorting the truth.
I reckon its 50/50 Russia or the UK, and I think this will be speculated about for years.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Will Scarlet]
#25064760 - 03/15/18 06:18 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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There seems to be enough evidence that the 'putin dick sucker' sent his ambassador to the UN to condemn the Russians for this attack.
https://www.ktnv.com/newsy/nikki-haley-to-un-us-believes-russia-used-nerve-agent-in-uk-attack
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Will Scarlet]
#25064812 - 03/15/18 07:17 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Will Scarlet said: Both have a motive.
What motive does the UK have to kill a man they fought tooth and nail to have freed? What motive does the UK have to kill his daughter? Maybe you can come up with something better than Falcon.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Enlil]
#25065193 - 03/15/18 10:18 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Lol, you crack me up sometimes. You can't possibly believe that UK is a more likely suspect than Russia. You're just trolling.
Ya, Putin loves to be sanctioned. He doesn't want another prisoner exchange which he'll never get if he's guilty of the assassination attempt. Eight years after Skripal's release, Putin came up with the bright idea to kill him. You're naïve if you think there's not something more going on here.
Did you know Skripal was only sentenced to 13 years for a crime that would likely be life in prison or the death sentence in the US? But ya, let's pretend Russians are more evil because that's what you hear on tv.
You crack me up sometimes.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#25065269 - 03/15/18 10:25 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Litvinenko was killed by Russia 6 years after the fact. It seems to be a part of their M.O. to wait.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Enlil]
#25065303 - 03/15/18 10:34 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Why don't you remind everyone about the "proof" that Litvinenko was killed by Russia.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#25065521 - 03/15/18 11:05 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sure:
1. The polonium 210 used to kill him was made in in Sarov, Russia. 2. Andrew Lugovoy and Dmitry Kovtun, the two suspects, are Russian Ex-spooks. 3. The suspects visited Litvinenko in the UK three times, each time leaving a radioactive trail to and from the UK. These trails were stronger than the one left by Litvinenko himself. 4. These radioactive trails included two flights from Moscow to Heathrow and two flights from Heathrow to Moscow. 5. The hotel rooms used by each suspect each time they visited Litvinenko also tested positive for the same radiation, with the toilets testing significantly, suggesting that substances were poured out on the two prior trips. 6. On the day of Litvinenko's poisoning, they met with Litvinenko. 7. Kovtun fell ill of radioactive poisoning shortly after Litvinenko.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Enlil] 1
#25065603 - 03/15/18 11:35 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Will Scarlet said: Both have a motive.
What motive does the UK have to kill a man they fought tooth and nail to have freed? What motive does the UK have to kill his daughter? Maybe you can come up with something better than Falcon.
The motive could be to continue the demonisation of Putin's Russia because Russia is enabling Assad to defeat the US/UK backed terrorists in Syria. Russia is also the main obstacle to the US achieving its aim of world domination, and as such, no opportunity to whip up the 'hicks from the sticks' as Huey Long called the easily led masses, is missed. Russia may be the guilty party, but it could easily be a false flag operation by America's poodle, the UK.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Will Scarlet]
#25065634 - 03/15/18 11:45 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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So you can't do any better than falcon. Fair enough.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Enlil]
#25065698 - 03/15/18 12:15 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Sure:
1. The polonium 210 used to kill him was made in in Sarov, Russia. 2. Andrew Lugovoy and Dmitry Kovtun, the two suspects, are Russian Ex-spooks. 3. The suspects visited Litvinenko in the UK three times, each time leaving a radioactive trail to and from the UK. These trails were stronger than the one left by Litvinenko himself. 4. These radioactive trails included two flights from Moscow to Heathrow and two flights from Heathrow to Moscow. 5. The hotel rooms used by each suspect each time they visited Litvinenko also tested positive for the same radiation, with the toilets testing significantly, suggesting that substances were poured out on the two prior trips. 6. On the day of Litvinenko's poisoning, they met with Litvinenko. 7. Kovtun fell ill of radioactive poisoning shortly after Litvinenko.
I don't know Enlil you had me right up to "shortly after". That 400 pounder living in a his mothers basement could have got to him after the meeting.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Enlil]
#25065816 - 03/15/18 01:22 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Sure:
1. The polonium 210 used to kill him was made in in Sarov, Russia.
Russia sells polonium 210. That proves nothing.
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Enlil said: 2. Andrew Lugovoy and Dmitry Kovtun, the two suspects, are Russian Ex-spooks.
That proves nothing either.
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Enlil said: 3. The suspects visited Litvinenko in the UK three times, each time leaving a radioactive trail to and from the UK. These trails were stronger than the one left by Litvinenko himself. 4. These radioactive trails included two flights from Moscow to Heathrow and two flights from Heathrow to Moscow. 5. The hotel rooms used by each suspect each time they visited Litvinenko also tested positive for the same radiation, with the toilets testing significantly, suggesting that substances were poured out on the two prior trips.
Litvinenko smuggled nuclear material, so that should come as no surprise.
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Enlil said: 6. On the day of Litvinenko's poisoning, they met with Litvinenko. 7. Kovtun fell ill of radioactive poisoning shortly after Litvinenko.
This is also true of Italian Mario Scaramella, who might have worked for the CIA, so that don't point to Russia anymore than it points to Italy.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Enlil] 1
#25065828 - 03/15/18 01:30 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Enlil said: So you can't do any better than falcon. Fair enough.
Both sides have motives, as has been pointed out. You hate Putin and have a strong bias, but the motives exist for both sides.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#25065952 - 03/15/18 02:22 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't know Putin or hate him. I'm just pointing out facts. Two Russian spooks went from Moscow to heathrow three times leaving radioactive trails, and the third time a dude gets poisoned in his tea with radioactive material. The victim's radioactive trail begins at the point of meeting these two men and ends at his death.
Nothing to see here folks...just a nothing burger.
The lengths to which you will go to in order to hold onto your denial is sad. If Russia had extradited, those men would have been convicted. Still, you pretend like there's no link to Russia.
I think it's clear who has a bias.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Enlil]
#25065986 - 03/15/18 02:40 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Two Russian spooks went from Moscow to heathrow three times leaving radioactive trails, and the third time a dude get poisoned in his tea with radioactive material.
Nothing to see here folks...just a nothing burger.
Now you're getting desperate. I didn't say or imply there's "nothing to see", or this is a "nothing burger". I explained exactly why we saw this trail. If you don't trust The Independent that Litvinenko smuggled nuclear material, then maybe you'll trust the Nuclear Threat Initiative. That explains the trail.
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Enlil said: The lengths to which you will go to in order to hold onto your denial is sad.
Another desperate statement. I'm not denying anything, as I've stated many times, I'm saying there is insufficient proof. You're the one going to great lengths to insist there is "proof" (per some abstract legal definition).
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Enlil said: If Russia had extradited, those men would have been convicted. Still, you pretend like there's no link to Russia.
I think it's clear who has a bias.
Do you know when Litvinenko died? 2006. Do you know when the inquiry into his murder began? January 2015, shortly after Crimea defected to Russia. "Nothing to see here folks..." (to use your expression)
Again, I don't know what happened, but the evidence isn't strongly in your favor.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 1
#25066000 - 03/15/18 02:47 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Litvinenko smuggled in 2000. We're talking about 2006.
And the investigation into his death began in 2006. Charges were brought against the two suspects in 2007 along with a request for extradition. Please stop making up facts.
After Litvinenko's meeting with the two suspects, he rode in a car. Subsequent testing showed the car to be so radioactive that it could no longer be used. His house that he went to after the meeting was also contaminated and uninhabitable for 6 months. He left radiation in an office he visited after the meeting. Prior to that meeting, there is no evidence of radiation anywhere Litvinenko went. On the other hand, the two suspects left radiation on the plane from Moscow, in their hotel rooms, a pub, and the plane back to Moscow.
Please, dude. Your inability to admit you're wrong here is getting pathetic.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Enlil]
#25067554 - 03/16/18 12:00 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Litvinenko smuggled in 2000. We're talking about 2006.
Do we know whether he stopped smuggling nuclear material after 2000? The Nuclear Threat Initiative I previously linked to says "'Alongside several other versions behind this crime, we are seriously considering the possibility that Litvinenko's death could have been connected to the illegal trade in nuclear materials,' a police official told the Berliner Zeitung newspaper."
I'm only saying that's another possibility. However, read on to see why I believe it's a highly likely possibility.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Do you know when Litvinenko died? 2006. Do you know when the inquiry into his murder began? January 2015, shortly after Crimea defected to Russia.
And the investigation into his death began in 2006. Charges were brought against the two suspects in 2007 along with a request for extradition. Please stop making up facts.
Yes, obviously there would have been an investigation immediately after his death. I misstated myself. The public inquiry that determined Lugovoy and Kovtun were acting under the direction of the FSB started in 2015 after Crimea defected to Russia.
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Enlil said: After Litvinenko's meeting with the two suspects, he rode in a car. Subsequent testing showed the car to be so radioactive that it could no longer be used. His house that he went to after the meeting was also contaminated and uninhabitable for 6 months. He left radiation in an office he visited after the meeting. Prior to that meeting, there is no evidence of radiation anywhere Litvinenko went.
Did I say he wasn't poisoned by polonium 210? No.
Here's what's EXTREMELY interesting. According to the Independent article I posted, Polonium was found at the Itsu restaurant in Piccadilly. But according to a timeline published by the Guardian, Litvinenko was in Piccadilly BEFORE he met with his "murderers" at the Millennium hotel. How do you explain the radiation at the Itsu???
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#25068033 - 03/16/18 07:23 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Litvinenko was in Piccadilly BEFORE he met with his "murderers" at the Millennium hotel. How do you explain the radiation at the Itsu???
Litvinenko met Kovtun, one of the two suspects, at Itsu two weeks prior to Litvinenko's death. That was the previous time that Kovtun went to the UK, presumably on a failed assassination attempt.
I'll quote The Independent, since you seem to like that source:
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Mr Kovtun is known to have spent three days in London from 16 October during which time he shared two meals with Mr Litvinenko, who had become a "fixer" for his trips to London. One of the meals was in the same Itsu sushi bar on Piccadilly where Mr Litvinenko ate on 1 November with another man, the Italian security expert Mario Scaramella.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Enlil] 1
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