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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Enlil]
    #25064593 - 03/15/18 03:12 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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Denying that there is evidence pointing to Russia is simply silly.



But you're denying this evidence, are you not?


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #25064594 - 03/15/18 03:12 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

I didnt deny the evidence though. I just said it wasnt 100%. Im just saying it could have been anyone. If more evidence to comes to light  implicating russia, i woul be the first to admit russia did it

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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: MagicMush123]
    #25064598 - 03/15/18 03:14 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #25064600 - 03/15/18 03:15 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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I'm not trying to corner you into anything.  I'm not saying Russia did it.  I put my confidence at 30% earlier in this thread.  I'm saying that all of the evidence available now points to Russia and to no one else.  That's not to say there is a lot of evidence.  There is some, and it all points to Russia.  That's what I'm saying.

Denying that there is evidence pointing to Russia is simply silly.



Seems to be a 3way right now and you're the one on the ropes.

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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Enlil]
    #25064601 - 03/15/18 03:16 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

I do find it odd that Novichok -- a nerve agent developed by Russia and not in the catalog of other countries' NBC arsenals -- was used to poison an ex-Russian spy convicted of treason.  Russians have been known to carry out similar assassinations in the U.K.


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #25064603 - 03/15/18 03:19 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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Denying that there is evidence pointing to Russia is simply silly.



But you're denying this evidence, are you not?



It's not evidence.  I don't know how else to put it.  It's your hypothesis.  In order for it to be evidence, you have to provide some evidence other than you saying it.  Let me help you understand...

My theory of motive:

Russia had a motive to kill the dude and his daughter because he was a spy and a traitor, and that can serve as a deterrent to other potential traitors.

That's the theory part.  Now for the evidence:

1. He was a spy
2. He was a traitor.
3. Russia has other spies currently.

None of the above is disputed...I don't think...Maybe you can dispute one of those, but I doubt it.


Now, to your theory:

UK has a motive because they want to make Russia look bad, and this would accomplish that.

Evidence to support that motive:

1. ?
2. ?
3. ?


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Asclepius]
    #25064607 - 03/15/18 03:22 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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Russians have been known to carry out similar assassinations in the U.K.



I've been purposely trying to avoid this fact, as true as it is, because in a court of law, that wouldn't be admissible.


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #25064609 - 03/15/18 03:25 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

This is one instance where I think it is most likely Russia. 


The biggest piece of evidence: Novichok -- a nerve agent developed by Russia; not in the U.K.'s catalog of nerve agents. 


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Asclepius]
    #25064610 - 03/15/18 03:26 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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I do find it odd that Novichok -- a nerve agent developed by Russia and not in the catalog of other countries' NBC arsenals -- was used to poison an ex-Russian spy convicted of treason.  Russians have been known to carry out similar assassinations in the U.K.



I think you've got it backwards though?  The Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons verified the complete destruction of Russia’s entire chemical weapons program, including its nerve agent production capabilities, while Porton Down of the UK is known to have some.  :shrug:


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #25064616 - 03/15/18 03:32 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Lol, have you looked at other things your source has published....That's a conspiracy nutter site, big time.  The author of that article is a truther who claims that the U.S. government participated in 9/11


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #25064619 - 03/15/18 03:35 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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Now, to your theory:

UK has a motive because they want to make Russia look bad, and this would accomplish that.

Evidence to support that motive:

1. ?
2. ?
3. ?



Here's the evidence:

1.  The West is asking for more sanctions on Russia
2.  Russia's standing in the international community has taken a hit
3.  The West is taking lots of actions against Russia, like expelling 23 Russian diplomats from the UK

But you can pretend the UK was too stupid to predict these events, should they have committed the assassination attempt.


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #25064623 - 03/15/18 03:37 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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Lol, have you looked at other things your source has published....That's a conspiracy nutter site, big time.  The author of that article is a truther who claims that the U.S. government participated in 9/11



So tell us what he got wrong in the article I posted.


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #25064624 - 03/15/18 03:37 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Where's the evidence that the UK wanted to make Russia look bad?  Where's the nexus between that and choosing this particular victim which the UK worked so hard to get freed?


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #25064627 - 03/15/18 03:39 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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Where's the evidence that the UK wanted to make Russia look bad?



:kidreally:

I know you're not that stupid Enlil. Stop pretending to be.  The West is desperately trying to demonize Russia.

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Where's the nexus between that and choosing this particular victim which the UK worked so hard to get freed?



Look, I'm NOT SAYING THE UK DID IT.  I'm just saying there is a motive.


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #25064631 - 03/15/18 03:44 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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Where's the evidence that the UK wanted to make Russia look bad?



:kidreally:

I know you're not that stupid Enlil. Stop pretending to be.

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Where's the nexus between that and choosing this particular victim which the UK worked so hard to get freed?



Look, I'm NOT SAYING THE UK DID IT.  I'm just saying there is a motive.



As a lawyer he's trained to fight tooth and nail, and never concede no matter what. His job is to argue :lol:

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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: MagicMush123] * 1
    #25064632 - 03/15/18 03:45 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

:awesomenod:


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #25064634 - 03/15/18 03:47 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

In a few months, it won't matter.  More evidence will surface, and it'll be just like the polonium poisoning.  Everyone will know Russia did it, and Russia will refuse to extradite.


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #25064639 - 03/15/18 03:51 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Maybe.  And if so, that will be the time to attack Russia, not BEFORE there is REAL evidence (not your lawyerish "it doesn't meet the reasonable doubt standard."  "there's little proof.")


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #25064642 - 03/15/18 03:53 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

There is real evidence...just not much of it.

Who said anything about attacking Russia?


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #25064644 - 03/15/18 03:54 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Which is most likely?


1) An ex-Russian spy turned traitor for MI6, who was convicted and later swapped in a prisoner exchange, is assassinated by the SVR through the use of a nerve agent developed only in Russia. 


2) The U.K. setup a black flag operation, killing an ex-spy and his daughter, in order to increase tensions between themselves and the largest nuclear power on earth.


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