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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Enlil]
    #25064420 - 03/15/18 12:17 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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Russia DID get it into someone's hands.  Whether they literally put it in the hands of a couple of assassins with orders to kill these people or they developed it, thus allowing it to get into someone's hands, or anything in between, they are the ones who made it all possible.



That's make believe Enlil.  We don't know that.  The UK has this in their posession.

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Why is it unreasonable to find out from Russia whatever possible vectors this weapon that THEY DEVELOPED might have used to get into these people's system?



They developed it 50 years ago!  Other countries, including the UK, have developed it also.  Why is that so hard for you to comprehend?


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #25064427 - 03/15/18 12:22 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Only one country developed it.  Others may have synthesized it, but only one developed it.  Why is it unreasonable to ask Russia to offer information about their program and who might have gotten the stuff from them?  Not a lot of people have this stuff, so it seems reasonable for them to ask anyone who does if they can check to see if any has gone missing.  Why is Russia so reluctant to help?

Also, why do you keep claiming it has been 50 years?


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #25064432 - 03/15/18 12:26 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Maybe russian spooks did it.  Maybe british spooks did it.  Maybe american spooks did it.  We'll never know definitively aside from the nerve agent supplier being a state actor.


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Enlil]
    #25064434 - 03/15/18 12:27 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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Only one country developed it.  Others may have synthesized it, but only one developed it.  Why is it unreasonable to ask Russia to offer information about their program and who might have gotten the stuff from them?  Not a lot of people have this stuff, so it seems reasonable for them to ask anyone who does if they can check to see if any has gone missing.  Why is Russia so reluctant to help?



But the UK has it Enlil!  They're not asking Russia how they developed it.  They're asking Russia how it got into other people's hands.  The UK should ask the fucking UK how they got it.


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: ballsalsa]
    #25064435 - 03/15/18 12:28 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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Maybe russian spooks did it.  Maybe british spooks did it.  Maybe american spooks did it.  We'll never know definitively aside from the nerve agent supplier being a state actor.



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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #25064465 - 03/15/18 01:03 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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But the UK has it Enlil!  They're not asking Russia how they developed it.  They're asking Russia how it got into other people's hands.  The UK should ask the fucking UK how they got it.



What makes you think they haven't?  What makes you think they haven't asked everyone who has it? 

Why wouldn't Russia jump at the opportunity to help?


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Enlil]
    #25064475 - 03/15/18 01:18 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

They weren't asked to "help".  They were asked to explain how they lost control of this nerve agent.  Again, they should ask themselves how they got a hold of it.  I highly doubt Russia just gave it to them.


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #25064476 - 03/15/18 01:19 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

It's all political theater, and you're clearly falling for the act.


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #25064482 - 03/15/18 01:23 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Its pretty understandable though that Americans would have a preconceived negative bias towards russia, given their history

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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: MagicMush123]
    #25064484 - 03/15/18 01:24 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Of course.  :awesomenod:


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #25064488 - 03/15/18 01:30 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Interestingly, the poll currently shows that only 3 out of 9 people have more than neutral confidence it was Russia.  :shocked:


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #25064502 - 03/15/18 01:46 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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They weren't asked to "help".  They were asked to explain how they lost control of this nerve agent.  Again, they should ask themselves how they got a hold of it.  I highly doubt Russia just gave it to them.



We know how the UK got it.  The same way the U.S. did.  A scientist that worked on developing it defected.  What the UK wants to know is how someone ELSE got it from Russia.  It's a reasonable request, considering Russia is the only nation known to have produced the substance in quantity, and it had a complete breakdown of its political system since then.


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Enlil]
    #25064512 - 03/15/18 01:53 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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We know how the UK got it.  The same way the U.S. did.  A scientist that worked on developing it defected.  What the UK wants to know is how someone ELSE got it from Russia.  It's a reasonable request, considering Russia is the only nation known to have produced the substance in quantity, and it had a complete breakdown of its political system since then.



How do you know "someone ELSE got it from Russia" though?  Russia is calling bullshit.  I don't know if they're right, and neither do you.


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #25064517 - 03/15/18 02:01 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Russia isn't even saying that.  They're saying, "wasn't me" and refusing to cooperate.  I find that suspicious.  You don't.  You're entitled to your opinion.

None of that changes the fact that the evidence, what little has been made public, points to Russia as the culprit.  It points to no one else.  That's where we stand as of today, and I'll bet dollars to donuts that more evidence comes to light, just like in the Litvinenko murder.  Russia will keep denying just like they did with Litvinenko.


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Enlil]
    #25064523 - 03/15/18 02:11 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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Russia isn't even saying that.  They're saying, "wasn't me" and refusing to cooperate.  I find that suspicious.  You don't.  You're entitled to your opinion.



They're not being asked to "cooperate".  They're being asked to admit fault.

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None of that changes the fact that the evidence, what little has been made public, points to Russia as the culprit.  It points to no one else.



You obviously ignored my post.

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That's where we stand as of today, and I'll bet dollars to donuts that more evidence comes to light, just like in the Litvinenko murder.  Russia will keep denying just like they did with Litvinenko.



Tell me about this "evidence".  Or by "evidence" do you mean "it doesn't meet the reasonable doubt standard."  "There's little proof."  :smirk:


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #25064526 - 03/15/18 02:15 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Yes, that's what I mean.  Evidence.  You want me to tell you about evidence that will come to light in the future?  Or about evidence in the Litvinenko murder?

Because there was plenty of evidence in the Litvinenko murder to bring charges.


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Enlil]
    #25064535 - 03/15/18 02:23 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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Yes, that's what I mean.  Evidence.  You want me to tell you about evidence that will come to light in the future?  Or about evidence in the Litvinenko murder?

Because there was plenty of evidence in the Litvinenko murder to bring charges.



There's enough evidence to bring charges but not enough evidence to bring any convictions. As you said it isn't enough evidence to convict in a court of law

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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: MagicMush123]
    #25064536 - 03/15/18 02:24 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

There was plenty for a conviction in that case.  Russia refused to extradite.  There were literally radioactive trails left by the two suspects.


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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Enlil]
    #25064540 - 03/15/18 02:25 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

And?

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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: MagicMush123]
    #25064541 - 03/15/18 02:25 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

And what?


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