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 Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil  [Re: Enlil]
#26993730 - 10/19/20 09:45 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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What got factored in that overturned the original findings?
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 2
#26993735 - 10/19/20 09:47 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Evidence. The "original findings" are exactly the same as the "findings." In other words, they never changed nor "overturned." You just don't like their findings. Some people within the organization don't like their findings. Boo fucking hoo. The organization was tasked with using all available information to come to a conclusion. That some people disagree is wholly irrelevant. Unanimity of opinion is very rare.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Enlil]
#26993834 - 10/19/20 11:33 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Evidence. The "original findings" are exactly the same as the "findings." In other words, they never changed nor "overturned."
No. A significant deal of evidence was removed entirely. Like the fact that the chlorine they found was in such trace amounts that it could have come from chlorine based bleach. Like the fact that the people in the videos being treated for a chemical attack didn't show symptoms of a chemical attack per a team of experts that were hired to look at it. Like the fact that an entire engineering report was removed that showed the condition of the cylinders wasn't consistent with them having been dropped from the air. Like the fact that the initial team wasn't allowed a say in the final report.
Don't forget John Bolton had Jose Bustani removed in 2002 for trying to bring Iraq into the OPCW, which would have made it difficult for an invasion. The US threatened to remove funding to the OPCW if they didn't get rid of Bustani. Though they did get rid of him, it was later ruled illegal. That's the kind of organization the OPCW is.
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The organization was tasked with using all available information to come to a conclusion. That some people disagree is wholly irrelevant. Unanimity of opinion is very rare.
The emails showed available evidence was removed entirely because it cast too many doubts on the report's final conclusion.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: DonJuan7]
#26993964 - 10/20/20 05:05 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Navalny poisoned by nerve agent, chemical weapons watchdog confirms
From the OPCW report-
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The results of the analysis by the OPCW designated laboratories of biomedical samples collected by the OPCW team and shared with the Federal Republic of Germany confirm that the biomarkers of the cholinesterase inhibitor found in Mr Navalny’s blood and urine samples have similar structural characteristics as the toxic chemicals belonging to schedules 1.A.14 and 1.A.15 that were added to the Annex on Chemicals to the Convention during the Twenty-Fourth Session of the Conference of the States Parties in November 2019. This cholinesterase inhibitor is not listed in the Annex on Chemicals to the Convention.
Let me explain this propaganda to people who do not understand how US propagana works. First off who owns the OPCW? The dues paying USA and we have seen how they suppress and fire those who do not give the correct conclusion. Thanks for posting this link because it show that even Politico is a propaganda outlet. The short article states a headline a fact and declares a chemical weapon attack in its headline and body but then you read the report and see it in no way confirms what the headline and article states.
But also people need to learn to read because the report both states that they did not find any Novichok. They found "have similar structural characteristics as the toxic chemicals" SIMILAR, so it is SIMILAR. Do you understand this yet? By they way how common are Cholinesterase inhibitors?
They are easily obtained -
https://www.medicinenet.com/cholinesterase_inhibitors/article.htm#what_are_the_side_effects_of_cholinterase_inhibitors
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What are the uses for cholinesterase inhibitors?
Doctors prescribe cholinesterase inhibitors to individuals with dementia caused by Alzheimer’s disease and dementia.
Doctors also prescribe them to individuals to treat Lewy Body dementia, Parkinson's disease, glaucoma, myasthenia gravis, and schizophrenia.
Some cholinesterase inhibitors are used as antidotes. Some can treat mild to moderate Alzheimer's disease, for example, rivastigmine (Exelon, Razadyne), while donepezil (Aricept) is approved to treat all stages, from mild Alzheimer's to severe Alzheimer's disease.
In case anyone does not yet understand it, the Houla massacre liars, the Douma chemical weapons fabricationing lying propaganda tool the OPCW is a propaganda tool of the USA which controls its composition and results. From the Gulf of Tonkin, to Weapons of Mass Destruction to Houla massacre lie to Novichok the naive and uninformed need to understand that nearly everything concerning war and propaganda the USA says in relations to countries it is actively attacking, is a lie. Whether it is Panama, or Vietnam, Iraq, Russia or Syria it is like after lie, after lie.
Here is a news source more attuned to reality than ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, FOX when it comes to US imperialism, economic warfare and militarism-
http://wwww.southfront.org
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Navalny poisoned by nerve agent, chemical weapons watchdog confirms
From the OPCW report-
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The results of the analysis by the OPCW designated laboratories of biomedical samples collected by the OPCW team and shared with the Federal Republic of Germany confirm that the biomarkers of the cholinesterase inhibitor found in Mr Navalny’s blood and urine samples have similar structural characteristics as the toxic chemicals belonging to schedules 1.A.14 and 1.A.15 that were added to the Annex on Chemicals to the Convention during the Twenty-Fourth Session of the Conference of the States Parties in November 2019. This cholinesterase inhibitor is not listed in the Annex on Chemicals to the Convention.
Let me explain this propaganda to people who do not understand how US propagana works. First off who owns the OPCW? The dues paying USA and we have seen how they suppress and fire those who do not give the correct conclusion. Thanks for posting this link because it show that even Politico is a propaganda outlet. The short article states a headline a fact and declares a chemical weapon attack in its headline and body but then you read the report and see it in no way confirms what the headline and article states.
But also people need to learn to read because the report both states that they did not find any Novichok. They found "have similar structural characteristics as the toxic chemicals" SIMILAR, so it is SIMILAR. Do you understand this yet? By they way how common are Cholinesterase inhibitors?
They are easily obtained -
https://www.medicinenet.com/cholinesterase_inhibitors/article.htm#what_are_the_side_effects_of_cholinterase_inhibitors
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What are the uses for cholinesterase inhibitors?
Doctors prescribe cholinesterase inhibitors to individuals with dementia caused by Alzheimer’s disease and dementia.
Doctors also prescribe them to individuals to treat Lewy Body dementia, Parkinson's disease, glaucoma, myasthenia gravis, and schizophrenia.
Some cholinesterase inhibitors are used as antidotes. Some can treat mild to moderate Alzheimer's disease, for example, rivastigmine (Exelon, Razadyne), while donepezil (Aricept) is approved to treat all stages, from mild Alzheimer's to severe Alzheimer's disease.
In case anyone does not yet understand it, the Houla massacre liars, the Douma chemical weapons fabricationing lying propaganda tool the OPCW is a propaganda tool of the USA which controls its composition and results. From the Gulf of Tonkin, to Weapons of Mass Destruction to Houla massacre lie to Novichok the naive and uninformed need to understand that nearly everything concerning war and propaganda the USA says in relations to countries it is actively attacking, is a lie. Whether it is Panama, or Vietnam, Iraq, Russia or Syria it is like after lie, after lie.
Here is a news source more attuned to reality than ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, FOX when it comes to US imperialism, economic warfare and militarism-
http://wwww.southfront.org
Yeah well I wonder who pushed the EU to sanction Russia over this then if it's all bullshit?
Angela Merkel is a trained chemist and isn't buying Russia's story.
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/09/how-german-military-scientists-likely-identified-nerve-agent-used-attack-alexei-navalny
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Stable Genius]
#26993970 - 10/20/20 05:21 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26994058 - 10/20/20 07:35 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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The emails showed available evidence was removed entirely because it cast too many doubts on the report's final conclusion.
Removed from existence? Or removed from the report? If it was removed from existence, that's a cover-up. If it was simply removed from the report, that's meaningless. The fact that something isn't mentioned in the report doesn't mean it wasn't considered.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Stable Genius]
#26994337 - 10/20/20 11:08 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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The Institute of Pharmacology and Toxicology of the Bundeswehr in Munich told Russia this is what's happenin'
https://112.international/politics/bundeswehr-refuses-to-provide-russia-with-results-of-navalnys-analyzes-54529.html
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The Bundeswehr Institute of Pharmacology and Toxicology in Munich has refused to provide Russia with details of the results of the tests of Alexei Navalny's samples
https://novayagazeta.ru/news/2020/09/07/164135-bundesver-ne-mozhet-raskryvat-podrobnosti-o-rezultatah-analizov-navalnogo-iz-za-sekretnosti?utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fyandex.ru%2Fnews
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The Institute of Pharmacology and Toxicology of the Bundeswehr in Munich, which found traces of a poisonous substance from the group "Novice" in samples of biomaterials Alexei Navalny, can not transmit information about the research to a third party for reasons of secrecy.
I added quotes from your articles. You don't find that suspicious?
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Enlil]
#26994347 - 10/20/20 11:13 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Removed from existence? Or removed from the report? If it was removed from existence, that's a cover-up. If it was simply removed from the report, that's meaningless. The fact that something isn't mentioned in the report doesn't mean it wasn't considered.
It was effectively removed from existence, until Wikileaks released the information, including an email that said this:
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Please get this document out of DRA [Documents Registry Archive]... And please remove all traces, if any, of its delivery/storage/whatever in DRA.
Now it's a scandal.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26994450 - 10/20/20 12:09 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sounds like a nothing burger to me.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Enlil]
#26994517 - 10/20/20 12:50 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Could be fake news or even a hoax the likes of which the world has never seen
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: koods]
#26994521 - 10/20/20 12:52 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Oh we've seen it before. Did you already forget Iraq WMDs?
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26994525 - 10/20/20 12:58 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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The difference is that WMDs were actually found in Iraq.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Enlil]
#26994547 - 10/20/20 01:06 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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You should tell that to Bush:
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26994548 - 10/20/20 01:07 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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When would I have an opportunity to converse with Bush? If I did, why would that topic come up in conversation?
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#26994678 - 10/20/20 02:15 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I added quotes from your articles. You don't find that suspicious?
Yes I think it is suspicious and it's also an effective way to maintain some leverage.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Enlil] 1
#26995406 - 10/20/20 08:59 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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The difference is that WMDs were actually found in Iraq.
Squirt guns don't count.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: qman]
#26995410 - 10/20/20 09:00 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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No, they don't.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Stable Genius]
#26995458 - 10/20/20 09:44 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I added quotes from your articles. You don't find that suspicious?
Yes I think it is suspicious and it's also an effective way to maintain some leverage.
I also don’t think Germany owes Russia an explanation. This isn’t a trial.
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: koods]
#26995510 - 10/20/20 10:27 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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You think countries should be allowed to fabricate stories to their liking without backing them up?
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Re: Teresa May takes Russia to task over chemical weapon attack on British soil [Re: Enlil] 1
#26995829 - 10/21/20 07:03 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Southfront is a Russian conspiracy nutter site, dude.
Southfront has daily updates and analysis. Their reports are geared toward counteracting the never ending stream of pro US imperialist propaganda and economic and military acts of aggression against Syria, Yemen, Russia and other countries. If you, or anyone is a proponent of US imperialism and militarist aggression then no amount of reality based information can change your opinion.
The invented propaganda about lies of bounties in Afghanistan being paid by Russia and the propaganda about the attack on the US ambassador to South African are but two examples of the stream of capitalist and US military propaganda against Russia made for barraging the naive and political partisans in the USA who eat the fiction raw.
The USA has been attacking Russia since 1917 and it seemingly will never stop. First the US empire said it was about economics and democracy, now it is about open capitalist-imperialist conflict and the main aggressor is clearly the USA which respects no boundaries or resistance to its empire.
For others who read this though http://www.southfront.com is an invaluable source of information, and no that is not a blanket co-sign of everything on the site.
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