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Trump Studies Seeking Death Penalty for Drug Dealers
    #25053771 - 03/10/18 06:24 AM (6 years, 19 days ago)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/trump-administration-studying-possibility-of-seeking-death-penalty-for-drug-dealers/2018/03/09/4d9cc994-23c3-11e8-94da-ebf9d112159c_story.html?utm_term=.f308fa8e0f9b

OP note: this just came out 12 hrs ago, more on killing dealers, but actually trying to pass laws and using Singapore as a model to work with

The Trump administration is studying new policy that could allow prosecutors to seek the death penalty for drug dealers, according to people with knowledge of the discussions, a sign that the White House wants to make a strong statement in addressing the opioid crisis.

President Trump last week suggested executing drug dealers as a way to make a dent in opioid addiction. Opioids killed nearly 64,000 people in 2016, and the crisis is straining local health and emergency services.

People familiar with the discussions said that the president’s Domestic Policy Council and the Department of Justice are studying potential policy changes and that a final announcement could come within weeks. The White House has said one approach it might take is to make trafficking large quantities of fentanyl — a powerful synthetic opioid — a capital crime because even small amounts of the drug can be fatal. White House officials also are studying tougher noncapital penalties for large-scale dealers.

Trump said last week that the administration would soon roll out unspecified “strong” policies on opioids. White House officials said Trump has privately expressed interest in Singapore’s policy of executing drug dealers.

“Some countries have a very tough penalty, the ultimate penalty, and they have much less of a drug problem than we do,” Trump said during an appearance at a White House summit on opioids last week.

Trump also has endorsed Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte’s approach to the issue; Duterte’s “drug war” has led to the deaths of thousands of people by extrajudicial police killings. Last year, Trump praised Duterte in a phone call for doing an “unbelievable job on the drug problem,” according to the New York Times.

Kellyanne Conway, counselor to the president, is leading much of the work on opioids for the White House. Singaporean representatives have briefed senior White House officials on their country’s drug policies, which include treatment and education, but also the death penalty, and they provided a PowerPoint presentation on that country’s laws.

Singapore’s model is more in line with the administration’s goals for drug policy than some other countries, a senior administration official said.

“That is seen as the holistic approach that approximates what this White House is trying to do,” a senior administration official said.

The Department of Justice declined to comment on the policy discussion. A White House spokesman did not respond to a request for comment Friday.

Federal law currently allows for the death penalty to be applied in four types of drug-related cases, according to the Death Penalty Information Center: murder committed during a drug-related drive-by shooting, murder committed with the use of a firearm during a drug trafficking crime, murder related to drug trafficking and the death of a law enforcement officer that relates to drugs.

Peter H. Meyers, a professor at the George Washington University School of Law, said he doesn’t agree with the idea of adding more capital crimes for drug dealers, but he said it could be a legal approach: “It very likely would be constitutional if they want to do it.”

The administration’s directives come as prosecutors nationwide are cracking down on higher-level drug dealers and law enforcement officials are looking at increased penalties for fentanyl trafficking and dealing. But at the same time, public health officials — including those in the Trump administration — and many in law enforcement are emphasizing treatment rather than punitive measures for low-level users and those addicted to drugs.

Attorney General Jeff Sessions has directed federal prosecutors to pursue the most severe penalties for drug offenses. The Department of Justice said last year it will aggressively prosecute traffickers of any fentanyl-related substance.

Some argue executing drug dealers could have a raft of unintended consequences, such as deterring people from calling police when they know someone is overdosing.

While news of capital charges against a drug dealer would spread quickly and possibly be a deterrent, said Daniel Ciccarone, a professor of family and community medicine at the University of California at San Francisco, it could also drive drug users underground.

“It will keep people from any positive interface with police, any positive interface with public health, any interface with doctors,” he said, noting that it could lead to fewer people receiving treatment for their addictions. “People will become afraid and hide. They won’t trust the police, and they won’t trust the doctor either.”

Ciccarone said there is also concern that the laws could ensnare low-level drug dealers, many of whom do not know that their products contain lethal amounts of opioids and some of whom are battling addiction."


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Re: Trump Studies Seeking Death Penalty for Drug Dealers [Re: Fractal420]
    #25053792 - 03/10/18 06:44 AM (6 years, 19 days ago)

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It very likely would be constitutional if they want to do it.




Of which I am aware, there is no such thing as contraband, in the Constitution.

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Re: Trump Studies Seeking Death Penalty for Drug Dealers [Re: durian_2008]
    #25053823 - 03/10/18 07:07 AM (6 years, 19 days ago)

America.... :shrug: :chump:

Edited by sh4d0ws (03/10/18 07:11 AM)

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Re: Trump Studies Seeking Death Penalty for Drug Dealers [Re: sh4d0ws]
    #25053917 - 03/10/18 08:09 AM (6 years, 19 days ago)

America

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Re: Trump Studies Seeking Death Penalty for Drug Dealers [Re: JonEveryman88] * 4
    #25054110 - 03/10/18 10:21 AM (6 years, 19 days ago)

Wow, never seen a US politician show on a daily basis, openly, what a giant, hypocritical piece of shit he is.

Could not be more ass-backwards. So people who are non-violent criminals should get the death penalty; but not the laundry list of ACTUAL criminals causing direct physical harm onto others?

How is the hell would a non-violent drug possession deserve anything even in the realm of the likes of adults who preys on children, & those conducting any type of physical abuse on another?

Almost as sick, he is going off Duterte, a man who has admitted to his entire "War on Drugs" hypocrisy as someone who uses fentanyl and other opiates himself, has a son who was just busted for a $125 million dollar shipment of narcotics from China. Of-course Duterte has so far managed to cover his son's ass, and his own, from a cage that he loves to put non-violent drug users in almost as much as the US Government.


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Edited by O_Dweeds (03/10/18 10:49 AM)

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Re: Trump Studies Seeking Death Penalty for Drug Dealers [Re: O_Dweeds]
    #25054135 - 03/10/18 10:32 AM (6 years, 19 days ago)

Just more of the current "divide the American public at any turn". The more dis-trust/divisions, the easier to control.

Then he praises the US Military which intervened in 2001 after the Taliban destroyed over 2/3rd's of Afghans Poppy Fields. Which now has colossal production in proportions the Country had ever seen till we arrived. Over 90% of the GLOBAL Heroin is coming from our own Military.

I love my Country, and never hold any drug use against anyone. To see our  Military Agencies doing he real work, and then hearing from our own President it is the small domestic dealers & users that the anti-drug wants to hold responsible is just down right fucked.
Will Rome fall again?


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Re: Trump Studies Seeking Death Penalty for Drug Dealers [Re: Fractal420] * 4
    #25054207 - 03/10/18 11:05 AM (6 years, 19 days ago)

Fuck any of you who voted for him or supported him.  Fuck those of you who are going to say that Hillary would have been just as tough on drugs.











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Re: Trump Studies Seeking Death Penalty for Drug Dealers [Re: Learyfan]
    #25054241 - 03/10/18 11:18 AM (6 years, 19 days ago)

He'll probably bring lobotomies too, as much as a retard he is.


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Re: Trump Studies Seeking Death Penalty for Drug Dealers [Re: Morel Guy]
    #25054344 - 03/10/18 11:51 AM (6 years, 19 days ago)

Death for marijuana or psychedelic use?


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Re: Trump Studies Seeking Death Penalty for Drug Dealers [Re: Blabble40]
    #25054353 - 03/10/18 11:55 AM (6 years, 19 days ago)

All they are talking about is meth and fentanyl. Stop posting this fear-mongerimg crap. If you knew people that died because.of poisoned cartel drugs youd want to kill those dealers too. Cannabis and psychedelics will be mostly turned a blind eye too until legalization/decrim. Have some hope people. A little bit of control will always be neccesary. Letting Mexican fentanyl poison our friends and family is not gonna fly anymore. Murderers will be held responsible, because thats what they are. If you cut your shit with fentanyl, then you just became a terrorist.

And yall realize Trump is not a king right? Just cause he says something doesnt mean a single person gives a flying fuck about it. Thats why we vote.

Our government is doing successful 'tests' on cannabis amd other psychedelics, and finding overwhelmingly positive evidence thay BOTH should be made available in some way to the public.

But in the eyes of the USA, if you use heroin or meth you are a Nazi, and thats how you'll be treated.

Edited by FractalMind (03/10/18 12:04 PM)

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Re: Trump Studies Seeking Death Penalty for Drug Dealers [Re: FractalMind] * 2
    #25054377 - 03/10/18 12:08 PM (6 years, 19 days ago)

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FractalMind said:
All they are talking about is meth and fentanyl. Stop posting this fear-mongerimg crap. If you knew people that died because.of poisoned cartel drugs youd want to kill those dealers too.




The War On Drugs is the root cause of all those deaths because it transfers manufacture and distribution to the bad people.  You can't really blame the meth and fentanyl dealers because bad people do bad things. 

If all drugs were legalized, regulated and quality controlled, everyone would know exactly what they were getting every single time and deaths would plummet. 












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Re: Trump Studies Seeking Death Penalty for Drug Dealers [Re: Learyfan]
    #25054417 - 03/10/18 12:26 PM (6 years, 19 days ago)

Personally I like the Trump blotters, those would be funny to own. Not so much with the "T" thing in the middle, it almost seems added by microsoft paint.


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Re: Trump Studies Seeking Death Penalty for Drug Dealers [Re: Violet Wizard]
    #25054440 - 03/10/18 12:35 PM (6 years, 19 days ago)

i agree somewhat with very strict penalties for the meth and fentanyl dealers, such evil things do terrorize the community and leads to terrible things all around for those involved.

What really pushes politicans towards moving a finger is the money they get. I feel people are building war chest of funds for pushing the psychedelic / cannibus movement into a positive future for all who choose the be involved. its not about fighting for our rights anymore its about buying them and protecting an investment.


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Re: Trump Studies Seeking Death Penalty for Drug Dealers [Re: Learyfan]
    #25054566 - 03/10/18 01:37 PM (6 years, 19 days ago)

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Learyfan said:
Fuck any of you who voted for him or supported him.  Fuck those of you who are going to say that Hillary would have been just as tough on drugs.





If not drugs, they have apparently trafficked in other forms of contraband.

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Re: Trump Studies Seeking Death Penalty for Drug Dealers [Re: durian_2008] * 1
    #25054648 - 03/10/18 02:16 PM (6 years, 19 days ago)

"If you knew people that died because.of poisoned cartel drugs youd want to kill those dealers too"

sorry man, but these people decided to use, it was their choice and they knew the potential consequences.


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Re: Trump Studies Seeking Death Penalty for Drug Dealers [Re: Learyfan]
    #25054652 - 03/10/18 02:17 PM (6 years, 19 days ago)

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Learyfan said:
Fuck any of you who voted for him or supported him.  Fuck those of you who are going to say that Hillary would have been just as tough on drugs.




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Re: Trump Studies Seeking Death Penalty for Drug Dealers [Re: UnsungHero]
    #25054723 - 03/10/18 03:03 PM (6 years, 19 days ago)

I'm sure we will see the  'war on drugs' turned up to eleven before everyone agrees it is absurd beyond reason.

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Re: Trump Studies Seeking Death Penalty for Drug Dealers [Re: Fractal420]
    #25054827 - 03/10/18 04:04 PM (6 years, 19 days ago)

Dope dealers will circumvent the risk of this threat by changing the way they deal dope

For instance, instead of having "your dude" meet you on the block, he'll send one of the 1,000 12-16 year olds on the block to meet you, you gonna kill a 13 year old state of nj?

Or he'll never give you his number, always cold copping your shit, thus increasing overdoses and defeating the whole purpose of this angle on drug enforcement

I could come up with a million ways that this will be innefective nevermind down right fucked up and stupid, this administration is going in the opposite direction of progress, ESPECIALLY when it comes to drugs, whether pharms or street or whatever

Cops better gear up for war if they think theyre taking any newark grape street crips or whoever else in for a death penalty charge, these dudes are already looking for excuses to shoot

Edited by stzacrack (03/10/18 04:05 PM)

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Re: Trump Studies Seeking Death Penalty for Drug Dealers [Re: stzacrack]
    #25054837 - 03/10/18 04:07 PM (6 years, 19 days ago)

Isnt it aimed towards opiate dealers?


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Re: Trump Studies Seeking Death Penalty for Drug Dealers [Re: BuffGuts] * 2
    #25054853 - 03/10/18 04:19 PM (6 years, 19 days ago)

Under the word of the law im sure theyll be killing anyone deemed responsible for any drug related death, whether its a kid who smoked pot/took whatever and had a nervous breakdown and commited suicide

They use the opioid scare as the catalyst to allow this sort of law to pass

They dont really give a fuck if its a junky who ods or a dude who overheats dancing on e or whatever example u think of

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