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Re: Trump's Tarrifs [Re: ballsalsa] * 1
    #25052469 - 03/09/18 04:46 PM (6 years, 21 days ago)

lol I can't believe Trump agreed to this meeting.
Once you read the details he gave NK exactly what they were wanted. NK has been trying to get a meeting with a US president for decades. God fucking damn it trump is an unbelievably gullible sucker. If you voted for this tool you're an idiot


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Re: Trump's Tarrifs [Re: koods]
    #25052472 - 03/09/18 04:48 PM (6 years, 21 days ago)

Hooray, we stopped Trump from negotiating and left North Korea a nuclear power at the same time!  :flowstone:


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Re: Trump's Tarrifs [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #25052479 - 03/09/18 04:52 PM (6 years, 21 days ago)

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No he's just as mentally unstable



Hi my name is koods and I... like to make shit up!




Lol. You don't need a degree in psychology (which I have) to see that trump is not a normal person. He just let a leader of North Korea get their ultimate goal... a sit down with a US president. He's an idiot.


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Re: Trump's Tarrifs [Re: koods]
    #25052492 - 03/09/18 04:56 PM (6 years, 21 days ago)

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Lol. You don't need a degree in psychology (which I have) to see that trump is not a normal person. He just let a leader of North Korea get their ultimate goal... a sit down with a US president. He's an idiot.



And how would that harm the US, genius?


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Re: Trump's Tarrifs [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #25052499 - 03/09/18 04:58 PM (6 years, 21 days ago)

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Hooray, we stopped Trump from negotiating and left North Korea a nuclear power at the same time!  :flowstone:



Do you really believe trump is capable of going face to face with somebody who has been making a fool of him for the past year?


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Re: Trump's Tarrifs [Re: ballsalsa]
    #25052520 - 03/09/18 05:05 PM (6 years, 21 days ago)

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Oh look, more BS from Trump:

White House: Never Mind the North Korea Meeting, Trump Was Just Babbling

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Donald Trump snared headlines across the world by announcing yesterday he would meet with North Korea, breaking with years of American policy that held such a meeting could only happen if North Korea made concessions on its nuclear program first. It turns out Trump’s foreign policy masterstroke did not come as the result of a Metternichtian calculation but instead a completely spontaneous outburst.

South Korean official Chung Eui-yong was in the White House yesterday meeting with other officials. Trump decided to see Chung right away; maybe Fox News was in repeats or something. Trump “then asked Mr. Chung to tell him about his meeting with Mr. Kim,” reports the New York Times. “When Mr. Chung said that the North Korean leader had expressed a desire to meet Mr. Trump, the president immediately said he would do it, and directed Mr. Chung to announce it to the White House press corps.”

It sounds from this account that Trump had no real idea that North Korea has always wanted a face-to-face meeting with the U.S. president, and the U.S. has always imposed conditions. That would certainly be the logical interpretation of this account, given that, in the last week, Trump has confused North Korea with the other, extremely different South Korea, and demanded a laughably tiny $1 billion trade concession from China when he was supposed to demand $100 billion. It certainly appears Trump believed, in the moment, that North Korea had not been interested in a meeting until then, so he needed to take the deal before they changed their mind. Whatever. Art of the Deal.

So then the administration rushed out its breakthrough announcement. But now the administration has to slowly back away without quite acknowledging it is doing so. Press Secretary Sarah Sanders told reporters today Trump won’t meet with North Korea unless they offer concrete concessions beforehand:




Funny seeing people try and give Trump credit for this when he had next to nothing to do with these relations and he can't even do his part correctly :lol:




I posted that link in two other topics and figured three was too much...someone else still put it here though. High five!

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Stable genius already realized he fucked up and gave NK what they wanted by being willing to meet without requiring they halt their nuclear program.

Now he's backpedaling.

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Nothing has happened but as usual you guys are falling for the hype. In 15 days, if nothing is changed then it will go into effect. Before then and after then there is plenty of room for negotiating. We don't want a trade war but our trading partners want it even less. To get the tariffs removed they simply have to follow instructions from trump.




Or they could just remove the US from world trade agreements. We may be a big economy, but the EU is bigger and China is getting there. It's like how the TPP (or whatever the new one without the US is called now) just got renegotiated. Now US beef pays a 39% tariff in Japan, but EU beef tariffs are dropping to 3% in a decade.

Put short: the US will lose a trade war, badly, if the world decides to move on without us. Which is what seems to be happening.





If we really wanted to play hard ball (which we don't), we could just stop using our navy to protect international shipping.  Maybe even interdict a few vessels coming or going to countries that want to charge us 39% tariffs.  Close the Suez and Panama canals.

One day, we won't have the clout to do any of that.  That seems to be the plan anyway.  For now, we do.  It's actually funny, because this stuff has all been in the works for at least a hundred and twenty years.  When you read about the end of the Spanish-American War, there was big controversy over whether or not to keep the territories we took from spain(except for cuba).  One of the primary reasons laid out in favor of keeping them was the Phillipines' proximity to China, which had a helluva population even then, and potential as a consumer market.




I don't know how much international shipping the US navy protects. I assume that it's the de-facto protector simply by sheer volume and maritime law obligations, but how much is actively being protected? I'll buy the canals argument. Though, ships are pretty efficient these days, going around adds days, not weeks.

How much can we choose to not protect shipping under maritime law without legally declaring war would also be a quagmire. There *is* a duty to render aid for passing ships on the high seas. Ignoring an SOS when able to provide assistance is very, very, very illegal.

Wasn't our base in the Philippines in the news not that long ago, specifically because China wanted to get rid of it?

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Re: Trump's Tarrifs [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #25052528 - 03/09/18 05:09 PM (6 years, 21 days ago)

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Lol. You don't need a degree in psychology (which I have) to see that trump is not a normal person. He just let a leader of North Korea get their ultimate goal... a sit down with a US president. He's an idiot.



And how would that harm the US, genius?




How would having an idiot negotiate on behalf of the us go bad? Idk. He already gave away one of the greatest concessions NK has ever asked for: meeting with a sitting US president. KIm is laughing his ass off.


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Re: Trump's Tarrifs [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #25052555 - 03/09/18 05:19 PM (6 years, 21 days ago)

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Lol. You don't need a degree in psychology (which I have) to see that trump is not a normal person. He just let a leader of North Korea get their ultimate goal... a sit down with a US president. He's an idiot.



And how would that harm the US, genius?




1: US presidents have in the past demanded for conditions prior to meeting. Trump agreed immediately and is now trying to backtrack so he can set conditions.

2: We have in the past tried to work out a deal with China around this which Trump also fucked up:

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Trump has confused North Korea with the other, extremely different South Korea, and demanded a laughably tiny $1 billion trade concession from China when he was supposed to demand $100 billion.




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So then the administration rushed out its breakthrough announcement. But now the administration has to slowly back away without quite acknowledging it is doing so. Press Secretary Sarah Sanders told reporters today Trump won’t meet with North Korea unless they offer concrete concessions beforehand[.]




Well at least they are trying to backtrack...


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Re: Trump's Tarrifs [Re: koods] * 1
    #25052556 - 03/09/18 05:19 PM (6 years, 21 days ago)

I heard Trump is going to let Kim pick which MickeyD's they will hold the meet and eat at.

:kimjongil: . . . :peace:


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Re: Trump's Tarrifs [Re: koods] * 1
    #25052559 - 03/09/18 05:20 PM (6 years, 21 days ago)

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No he's just as mentally unstable



Hi my name is koods and I... like to make shit up!




Lol. You don't need a degree in psychology (which I have) to see that trump is not a normal person. He just let a leader of North Korea get their ultimate goal... a sit down with a US president. He's an idiot.




Trump has a big ego and lies about a lot of things, but that's still "normal" behavior.

His supporters accept his behavior because they can relate to it.

Trump apparently likes to fuck porn stars, that's something people can relate to and that's why nobody really cares about it. :shrug:  He's just one of the guys.

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Re: Trump's Tarrifs [Re: qman] * 1
    #25052575 - 03/09/18 05:24 PM (6 years, 21 days ago)

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Trump has a big ego and lies about a lot of things, but that's still "normal" behavior.

His supporters accept his behavior because they can relate to it.

Trump apparently likes to fuck porn stars, that's something people can relate to and that's why nobody really cares about it. :shrug:  He's just one of the guys.




Super normal:

President Trump allegedly had Stormy Daniels spank him with Forbes magazine cover featuring his face

:uhoh:

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President Trump once had a porn-star paramour spank him with a Forbes magazine cover featuring his picture, according to bizarre email correspondence unearthed Thursday.




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The consultant revealed that Clifford had told him that the strange spanking session occurred while they were involved in a sexual relationship that began soon after they met during a golf tournament in July 2006. The magazine that Trump asked Clifford to spank him with had his face on the cover, the consultant added.

A fall 2006 cover of Forbes features a photo of Trump flanked by his daughter, Ivanka, and his son, Donald Jr.




We all like getting spanked by magazines with our faces and our kids faces on the cover right? Totally normal :rofldrunk:


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Re: Trump's Tarrifs [Re: Kryptos]
    #25052607 - 03/09/18 05:35 PM (6 years, 21 days ago)

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I don't know how much international shipping the US navy protects. I assume that it's the de-facto protector simply by sheer volume and maritime law obligations, but how much is actively being protected? I'll buy the canals argument. Though, ships are pretty efficient these days, going around adds days, not weeks.

How much can we choose to not protect shipping under maritime law without legally declaring war would also be a quagmire. There *is* a duty to render aid for passing ships on the high seas. Ignoring an SOS when able to provide assistance is very, very, very illegal.

Wasn't our base in the Philippines in the news not that long ago, specifically because China wanted to get rid of it?




1) we actively protect all of it from the only people who have the means to really fuck with any significant potion of it...ourselves.  If anybody cries about it, it's on them to declare war.

2) Obviously, it would be...very impolite to do any of the shit I mentioned.  That's what international law is, a gentlemanly agreement.

3) The territory in the philippines wasn't the point, just an example.  Big business interests are international.  They don't cares where the money goes because they can move with it.  My point was that those interests have been angling at prodding China into the position they are in today for a long time.  They don't care if America's star has to fade in order for China's to rise.  Of course, I'm not saying that it necessarily does.


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Re: Trump's Tarrifs [Re: ballsalsa]
    #25052650 - 03/09/18 05:45 PM (6 years, 21 days ago)

1) Good point. So, would the US just become the new super-pirates? (the Somali pirates we hear about now once in a while were originally formed to ward off illegal Japanese fishing in the waters of Somalia)

2) Also a good point. Are we willing to take our chance at escaping Nuremberg?

3) Tariffs seem like they achieve the goal of fading America's star for China. That seems like a side effect of Trump's zero-sum game view on the world though.

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    #25052712 - 03/09/18 06:02 PM (6 years, 21 days ago)

I'm not in favor of trump's nonsense tariffs.  If anything, a tariff on poorly made and oftentimes poisonous toys, or one on imported fish products farmed with loads of antibiotics you aren't even allowed to use on a U.S. fish farm.

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Re: Trump's Tarrifs [Re: ballsalsa]
    #25052737 - 03/09/18 06:10 PM (6 years, 21 days ago)

I don't recall where trump said he would meet kim without any preconditions. There are details to work out, place and time, what else is being demanded? Don't forget we have nk over a barrel now. They are literally starving, can't buy weapons, can't sell their goods. If trump says kim has to give a bj, then kim better do it.

But the usual suspects hail any tiny bump in the road because they would rather see usa fail than trump and usa succeed.


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    #25052746 - 03/09/18 06:13 PM (6 years, 21 days ago)

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trump is not a normal person. He just let a leader of North Korea get their ultimate goal... a sit down with a US president. He's an idiot.



And how would that harm the US, genius?



1: US presidents have in the past demanded for conditions prior to meeting. Trump agreed immediately and is now trying to backtrack so he can set conditions.



I see.  So it's better that North Korea retain its nuclear weapons program.

Genius.


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    #25052753 - 03/09/18 06:18 PM (6 years, 21 days ago)

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koods said:
trump is not a normal person. He just let a leader of North Korea get their ultimate goal... a sit down with a US president. He's an idiot.



And how would that harm the US, genius?



1: US presidents have in the past demanded for conditions prior to meeting. Trump agreed immediately and is now trying to backtrack so he can set conditions.



I see.  So it's better that North Korea retain its nuclear weapons program.

Genius.




Want some Straw with that Man?

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