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Peace with North Korea?
    #25050104 - 03/08/18 07:41 PM (3 months, 14 days ago)

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WASHINGTON — President Trump will meet with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un by May for high-level talks over the denuclearization of the Korean peninsula, a South Korean official said outside the White House Thursday.

The extraordinary and unexpected opening came through shuttle diplomacy by a South Korean delegation arriving in Washington Thursday.Trump heralded the development as a "major announcement" after speaking with the South Korean president.

Kim has agreed to a suspend missile tests while the talks go on, and there was no insistence that the United States and South Korea suspend joint military exercises.

"I explained to President Trump that his leadership, and his maximum pressure policy, along with international solidarity, brought us to this juncture," South Korean national security adviser Chung Eui-yong told reporters after meeting with Trump at the White House.

Chung met with Kim earlier this week.

The surprise development follows several weeks of thawing relations between North and South Korea, prompted by the North's participation in the Winter Olympics in Pyeongchang under a unified banner.

South Korean President Moon Jae-In sent a high-level delegation to the north this week for the first high-level talks in a decade. He also sent diplomats to Washington Thursday to brief the United States.

The White House didn't immediately say how it would respond to the invitation, but Trump suggested he was encouraged by the move in an unexpected — and unprecedented — visit to the White House briefing room.

Those talks were seen as a first step toward normalization of relations between the two countries, which have been divided since the 1953 armistice that ended the Korean war.

It's unclear, however, what effect those talks would have on the most pressing question: North Korea's repeated ballistic missile tests intended to demonstrate that it can launch a nuclear-armed ballistic missile.
At a Tuesday press conference, Trump appeared to warm to the idea of talks with North Korea, which he had previously dismissed as "a waste of time."

"I think that they are sincere," he said of North Korea's desire for talks. "I hope they're sincere. We're going to soon find out."





What do you think will happen? A useless gesture from the North, a waste of time, or a valuable opportunity to avoid conflict?


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Re: Peace with North Korea? [Re: austothehun]
    #25050150 - 03/08/18 07:56 PM (3 months, 14 days ago)

I wouldn't count on peace with North Korea.  This is all a PR stunt, IMO.  I wouldn't be surprised if either Trump or Kim back out of this meeting.


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Re: Peace with North Korea? [Re: Asclepius] * 1
    #25050243 - 03/08/18 08:41 PM (3 months, 14 days ago)

I think some people might explode if Trump is the one that gets NK off the bad kid list.


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Re: Peace with North Korea? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #25050275 - 03/08/18 08:51 PM (3 months, 14 days ago)

I suspect North Korea will give up nukes in exchange for something in return, like money, oil, etc.


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Re: Peace with North Korea? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #25050282 - 03/08/18 08:53 PM (3 months, 14 days ago)

I suspect all they needed was actual diplomacy all this time.


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Re: Peace with North Korea? [Re: bodhisatta] * 1
    #25050304 - 03/08/18 09:00 PM (3 months, 14 days ago)

i'll get in line to give trump a handy as long as i'm about number 10,500 in that line (because he won't live that long).

assuming a nuclear deal does come to pass and that kim honors it, any honest person looking at this will admit that any deal is born of attrition due to so many years of crippling sanctions.

but yeah, i'll give him credit and won't even hold crossed fingers behind my back.  whatever gets it done is good in my book so hip hip hooray for trump if it gets nailed down and honored.


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Re: Peace with North Korea? [Re: bodhisatta] * 1
    #25050357 - 03/08/18 09:20 PM (3 months, 14 days ago)

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I think some people might explode if Trump is the one that gets NK off the bad kid list.



Yes, the usual suspects will go into twists, turns and bends that would make a circus contortionist jealous in an attempt to find some way to give most of the credit to obama.

Under mr weakling we gave boatloads of oil and other goods in exchange for worthless promises which of course kim broke. Under mr "bad cop" who raged about annihilating nk, with his rep as the loose cannon, all of a sudden kim is acting nice. Just a coincidence right? Maybe kim had a guilty conscience about taking all that loot and acting bad? lol


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Re: Peace with North Korea? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #25050369 - 03/08/18 09:25 PM (3 months, 14 days ago)

Having lived in SK for 3 years, I don't pretend to be an expert on NK.  With that said, Kim is not going to give up his nuclear arsenal for anything.  He knows what the U.S. did to Gaddafi after he gave up his nuclear weapons program -- he was killed.  I am telling you, if either Trump or Kim do not back out of this meeting, which one of them likely will (probably Kim), nothing good will come of it.  We'll see what the outcome is this May.


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Re: Peace with North Korea? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #25050372 - 03/08/18 09:27 PM (3 months, 14 days ago)

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I suspect all they needed was actual diplomacy all this time.





Don't lie, you know this is a result of Trump calling Kim "Rocket Man."  LOL


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Re: Peace with North Korea? [Re: Asclepius]
    #25050376 - 03/08/18 09:28 PM (3 months, 14 days ago)

my research on NK suggests that Kim likes being called "Rocket Man"


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Re: Peace with North Korea? [Re: relic]
    #25050384 - 03/08/18 09:32 PM (3 months, 14 days ago)

I doubt much will come of this.  The Kim's are good at making a lot of empty threats and promises, such as threatening to turn my installation into a "sea of fire" on numerous occasions; it never happened, thank goodness.  We've seen this same song and dance when it comes to diplomacy, too.  I'm not impressed that Kim personally is going to meet with Trump.  I'm actually quite shocked that some people think it means a resolution to the NK problem is right around the corner.  If I am wrong, and I hope I am, I will come back to this board and admit as much.  And that will never happen.


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Re: Peace with North Korea? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #25050389 - 03/08/18 09:34 PM (3 months, 14 days ago)

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my research on NK suggests that Kim likes being called "Rocket Man"





If Trump is able to reach diplomatic solutions with Kim, I will be happy.  Just because I think Trump is a piece of shit doesn't mean I won't give him credit when he does a good job.  It's just that people are going to act surprised when this "talk," which likely won't even happen, amounts to nothing. 


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Re: Peace with North Korea? [Re: austothehun]
    #25050436 - 03/08/18 10:06 PM (3 months, 14 days ago)

You know, peace is a good thing and all, avoiding literally millions of deaths, and an unbelievable amount of suffering... but....

Fuck man, those poor north koreans are going to be fucked up the ass by the Kim Jong Jackass family for all of eternity. They're just going to go through all of human history being assraped by fatty fatass's children.

Fuck North Korea, and fuck Kim Jong Un.


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Re: Peace with North Korea? [Re: nooneman] * 2
    #25050444 - 03/08/18 10:11 PM (3 months, 14 days ago)

I'll just wait here andsee how Koods can shit on this news.


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    #25050448 - 03/08/18 10:13 PM (3 months, 14 days ago)

Kim jun Un will flatter trump and he'll give away alaska. Trump is an idiot


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Re: Peace with North Korea? [Re: Patlal] * 1
    #25050453 - 03/08/18 10:15 PM (3 months, 14 days ago)

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I'll just wait here and see how Koods can shit on this news.



Kim jun Un will flatter trump and he'll give away alaska. Trump is an idiot



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    #25050461 - 03/08/18 10:21 PM (3 months, 14 days ago)

Let's be honest. Has trump shown one iota of competence? Why do you think Kim wants to negotiate? Cause he can run circles around trump like he has been for the past year.


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Re: Peace with North Korea? [Re: koods] * 1
    #25050493 - 03/08/18 10:40 PM (3 months, 14 days ago)

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Let's be honest. Has trump shown one iota of competence? Why do you think Kim wants to negotiate? Cause he can run circles around trump like he has been for the past year.




Or maybe Kim realized that he's got the world against him and the biggest army is ready to attack. The sanctions are become life threatening for NK. They can't import shit and nobody will buy what they produce. A country can't live without money. Especially one that can't feed it's own citizens.


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Re: Peace with North Korea? [Re: koods]
    #25050506 - 03/08/18 10:47 PM (3 months, 14 days ago)

I think liddle dick will fuck it all up. Unlike his meetings with the Dems and promising all kinds of things then retracting everything after his aids tell him he can't do that, on the international level he's not going to be able to flip flop. He's over his big fuck'n bald, combover head.


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Re: Peace with North Korea? [Re: sweeper54] * 2
    #25050739 - 03/09/18 01:19 AM (3 months, 14 days ago)

I think there are two things you guys are overlooking.

1. Trump seems to have a soft spot for brutal dictators.

2. Trump is a sucker for flattery.

So if Kimmy plays his cards right and gets the brown-nose worked into a nice lather, Trump could be signing a treaty making North Korea our greatest Ally in an afternoon.


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